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gamestop didn't know what the Xbox stance on used games was until we all found out. i don't see reason to believe Gamefly has info on the PS4 no one else has.
Allegedly Redbox added later that "Fucking Steve Ballmer is a fucking pussy." and that they were going to "Fucking kill Microsoft."
Sony's stance, while hinted not to be as draconian as MS's, is still unclear.
I noticed that Side Mission stuff - I did imagine it was your gig.Hey I wrote this
Adapt or die.
I suppose this is one way of adapting.
I'm kind of confused by all this anti-consumerism bullshit I'm reading. XBone and PS4 are essentially Steamboxes. I don't read or hear shit about not being able to resale my pc games. Don't buy the machines if you disagree where publishers are going with this. It runs the same course in print, books, newspapers, yellow pages, etc. Times are changing with the digital age. Will Redbox, Gamefly, and any other reseller be pissed? Sure, but the owners of the content are going to do what they want to do. Movies will eventually go through this as well. If I happen to purchase a next gen system, I'll simply wait for games to become cheap enough that I don't have to worry about reselling the game. I'm not standing up for what's happening, I just realize that it's what's happening. I don't have to play games if I disagree with that, I read all these opinions like it's a right or some shit like that. I've built a huge Steam library not spending more then 5-10 bucks per game, I don't see this any different.
Generally the phrase "adapt or die" is meant to apply to companies adapting to changing consumer tastes, not to huge corporate conglomerates making it harder for smaller companies.
Don't do this to many Sony or so help me God...
Anyway good on Redbox to defend consumer rights, their very business is at stake here. Can't believe some of the other businesses are playing along with this, even if Gamestop is in on the deal with MS, they have to know that these policies are just a transition and in the long run MS will abandon them.
I'm kind of confused by all this anti-consumerism bullshit I'm reading. XBone and PS4 are essentially Steamboxes. I don't read or hear shit about not being able to resale my pc games. Don't buy the machines if you disagree where publishers are going with this. It runs the same course in print, books, newspapers, yellow pages, etc. Times are changing with the digital age. Will Redbox, Gamefly, and any other reseller be pissed? Sure, but the owners of the content are going to do what they want to do. Movies will eventually go through this as well. If I happen to purchase a next gen system, I'll simply wait for games to become cheap enough that I don't have to worry about reselling the game. I'm not standing up for what's happening, I just realize that it's what's happening. I don't have to play games if I disagree with that, I read all these opinions like it's a right or some shit like that. I've built a huge Steam library not spending more then 5-10 bucks per game, I don't see this any different.
Have consumer tastes not been shifting to digital delivery of digital content? That's the trend I'm seeing.
Generally the phrase "adapt or die" is meant to apply to companies adapting to changing consumer tastes.
I'm quite sure Redbox would be happy to rent out digital copies of games. Will that be allowed?
I can promise you that if the XBox one prices games at 15-20 dollars, reduces the online-check in from one day to one month, and makes XBL free of charge, the complaints will be significantly muted.
I'm quite sure Redbox would be happy to rent out digital copies of games. Will that be allowed?
Ultimately Redbox is a consumer in this equation, just a very large consumer. They're protecting their business, and it just so happens to be parallel to consumer rights.Redbox isn'd defending consumer rights, they only have to own up to their shareholders. If you'd like to think that's consumers, you're mental.
I can promise you that if the XBox one prices games at 15-20 dollars, reduces the online-check in from one day to one month, and makes XBL free of charge, the complaints will be significantly muted.
I'm quite sure Redbox would be happy to rent out digital copies of games. Will that be allowed?
I can promise you that if the XBox one prices games at 15-20 dollars, reduces the online-check in from one day to one month, and makes XBL free of charge, the complaints will be significantly muted.
I'm quite sure Redbox would be happy to rent out digital copies of games. Will that be allowed?
This, Gamestop should also step up...
Collude, contain and control.Adapt or die.
Not really. It's a blanket statement that is inclusive of shifts within the industry as well. For example, consumers have proven that they love AAA titles, and yet a AAA heavy industry is not sustainable. That's more an industry issue that developers/publishers need to adapt to, and not a change in consumer tastes.
Redbox isn'd defending consumer rights, they only have to own up to their shareholders. If you'd like to think that's consumers, you're mental.
GameStop's too busy applying Microsoft's favorite bottle of KY jelly...
Thread title seems a bit iffy compared to the information given.
Just my opinion and all.
This is a silly argument. Steam sales are special events. Most of the year, games have the same price on Steam that they have everywhere else. Any discounts are also at a publisher's discretion.
Not really. It's a blanket statement that is inclusive of shifts within the industry as well. For example, consumers have proven that they love AAA titles, and yet a AAA heavy industry is not sustainable. That's more an industry issue that developers/publishers need to adapt to, and not a change in consumer tastes.
I can promise you that if the XBox one prices games at 15-20 dollars, reduces the online-check in from one day to one month, and makes XBL free of charge, the complaints will be significantly muted.
I'm quite sure Redbox would be happy to rent out digital copies of games. Will that be allowed?
I can promise you that if the XBox one prices games at 15-20 dollars, reduces the online-check in from one day to one month, and makes XBL free of charge, the complaints will be significantly muted.
I don't think you understood what I meant. I'm saying that it's good that they are calling MS out on this right away instead of waiting for this to become the norm. Obviously they don't care about consumer rights, but because their interests align with those of consumers, they have obviously decided to take a stance that benefits them.
Could they potentially make backroom deals with MS like Gamestop and get away just fine? Sure, but sooner or later MS will probably decide to go full on digital, and when that day comes there isn't much that they (or retailers) can do about it.
I consider it bargaining. Haggling. Trade. Commerce even.And that's definitely a fact that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. People claim to be against the XB1 for its heightened anti-consumer features, but a lot of them can be swayed by changes that simply soften the financial impact of said features without removing them? The position is logical and I completely understand it, but it's inherently hypocritical.
And that's definitely a fact that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. People claim to be against the XB1 for its heightened anti-consumer features, but a lot of them can be swayed by changes that simply soften the financial impact of said features without removing them? The position is logical and I completely understand it, but it's inherently hypocritical.
Exactly this. While I absolutely love Steam, their prices aren't as cheap as people claim. Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is still $80 for me in Australia. A 360 or PS3 copy in EB Games is now $50-$60. Steam does have these fabled price drops, but not as frequent as people lead you to believe.This is a silly argument. Steam sales are special events. Most of the year, games have the same price on Steam that they have everywhere else. Any discounts are also at a publisher's discretion.
Exactly this. While I absolutely love Steam, their prices aren't as cheap as people claim. Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is still $80 for me in Australia. A 360 or PS3 copy in EB Games is now $50-$60. Steam does have these fabled price drops, but not as frequent as people lead you to believe.
Steam is a great service, and what the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are moving to is pretty much this system. I can understand the hatred for not being able to swap your discs or lend to a friend, but we've had to put up with this for nearly 10 years on PC. At least count your ducks you can actually sell your games.
By "anywhere else" do you mean "anywhere else on PC?" Because then I agree.
Console prices are much higher, though. If console game prices go down to PC game prices, again, I think you'll find that complaints will be significantly muted. I also noticed you made no attempt to respond to my other points whatsoever, which I will take as implicit admission that these are real, significant distinctions.
It really isn't. Steam prices (and PC prices generally) are dramatically cheaper. It's possible that Australia does not get these benefits.
This isn't really comparable. In that instance, the troubles developers are experiencing are not caused by a larger company trying to bully them out; they're caused by their own inability to drive down production costs.
As a direct comparison, if Redbox was still technically allowed to rent out games but simply couldn't figure out how to do it and make money, that would be a much less sympathetic position. That is a problem of their own making, and is a much more apt comparison.
This is a silly argument. Steam sales are special events. Most of the year, games have the same price on Steam that they have everywhere else. Any discounts are also at a publisher's discretion.
In America. Outside of there the prices aren't that great. We rarely get games below $70 here, especially for console games where the prices can be around the $100 mark at times.It really isn't. Steam prices (and PC prices generally) are dramatically cheaper. It's possible that Australia does not get these benefits.
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. We're talking about the statement "adapt or die" being applicable to the realities of the industry itself, and not exclusively those of the consumers. I'm not saying my example is inherently similar to another company being forced to adapt through competing corporate pressure, simply that they're both examples where a company must adapt or die.
In America. Outside of there the prices aren't that great. We rarely get games below $70 here, especially for console games where the prices can be around the $100 mark at times.
Don't get me wrong, Steam prices can be amazing at times and I've spent thousands on getting all 177 games I own. But the prices are pretty consistent for the first year or so of a new release. Even the fabled Steam sales offer great prices for great games, but are mostly indie titles or games that are well over their year of life.
This, Gamestop should also step up...
They don't need to because MS made a deal with them.