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Is Gamestop warring with Microsoft?

GodofWine

Member
Microsoft doesnt need biggest game retailer where gamers buy games and consoles?

Gamestop is $9,000,000,000/yr business.

and do you think other stores are telling their customers any different?

Im sure best buys and amazons and play and trade etc are not thrilled with losingw what is probably there highest margin items in the store.

Note the PS4 launch day and regular editions are #2 and #3, so the PS4's volumes are split. On only see the 360 launch edition there.

Yep, got that. Was more curious if anyone knew what time frame their 'best sellers' covered, I cant imagine its lifetime, cause I can't imagine they have sold more XB1s the 360s...so it must have a certain cut off where sales stop counting...could be 1 day / 2 / 3 etc?

Im thinking the PS4 launch models sales are starting to fall out of the best sellers calculation time period (maybe) hence its fading. By time it actually launches it should be nowhere to be seen on this list.
 
Considering most people in this thread are saying that retailers are pushing PS4 its pretty impressive that the Xbox is slightly behind Sony with a 3:2 pre order ratio! GO MICROSOFT!
 
Yeah but notice out of the launch versions, only the PS4 is sold out (and is probably why it fell behind because nobody can order that now and they have to move to standard), If you added the launch and standards PS4 is probably still ahead overall.

Also, look where the Dual Shock is compared to the Xbone controller. Finally there are multiple PS4 games ahead of the top Xbone game..I didn't even mention the PSN cards..
 

FlyFaster

Member
I hope that GameStop does everything in it's power to stop the xbone. All their employees should tell every father and mother exactly what MS plans to do.

For the future of gaming, MS and what they stand for can't win this console gen .
 

Mrbob

Member
Considering most people in this thread are saying that retailers are pushing PS4 its pretty impressive that the Xbox is slightly behind Sony with a 3:2 pre order ratio! GO MICROSOFT!

This is a weird post. Besides the cheer leading I don't think we even know ratios one way or the other.
 

Beelzebubs

Member
Considering most people in this thread are saying that retailers are pushing PS4 its pretty impressive that the Xbox is slightly behind Sony with a 3:2 pre order ratio! GO MICROSOFT!

Source? Because I'm pretty sure it's more than that due to Xbone only being available in 17 countries and not region free.
 
Anyone else see anything like this? Would be an interesting situation if it's a wide scale thing. I think the more pressure on them the better, but I wonder if I just have a lone fan going postal or if GS is going to remove focus on the system.

I really hope it is, that abomination should not be successful... i'd like my favorite past time to stay as is... not as some suits would like it to be.
 
I hope that GameStop does everything in it's power to stop the xbone. All their employees should tell every father and mother exactly what MS plans to do.

For the future of gaming, MS and what they stand for can't win this console gen .

Microsoft has no chance of winning anyways. Europe backed the PS3 big time and they are the reason PS3 overtook the 360 despite the 1 year head start.

Imagine 200 dollars cheaper and launching around the same time.
 

Sblargh

Banned
The thing is the day 1 launch PS4 is sold out here so it cant sell anymore to fill that first place roll. Secondly, look at the top selling games. The multiplats are PS4 versions.

Oof, the PS camera is outselling Forza? Yikes.

And they not even hyped the cameral. Hell, I don't think they even mentioned the damned thing in the conference.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
I don't understand why anyone would be surprised by this. Gamestop is a business that focuses on used games. They are not an impartial journalist. They are going to push product that benefits them. Who cares if they are an approved retailer with Xbone, there's only added expense to changing their business practices.
 

Rtas

Member
Nah. You're gonna get shit because of the fact that you don't know what you are talking about, and you're making shit up in your zealous crusade as a MS apologist.

...and the Master Chief avatar. I mean, you make it too easy.

...


You're trying to say Microsoft isn't to blame for building this shit into their own system? Ha ha...no.

Nobody made Microsoft build-in these DRM systems into their system except Microsoft. CBOAT said Microsoft approached devs about the scheme, not the other way around. E3 comments from the various heads of publishing houses seem to reflect this as well.

Nobody made Microsoft institute the 24 hr./1 hr. DRM check-in except Microsoft.

Nobody made Microsoft put so much emphasis on the cloud, which most people realize by now is just another excuse for a DRM scheme. Microsoft did that.

Nobody made Microsoft require Kinect.​



Uh huh. I'm sure you do.


Hang on a second, I didn't make anything up White Knight Mgee and yeah Master Chief Avatar who cares, you have a dog in a suit drinking a martini Big whoop wanna fight about it?

Now the next thing you say is that I am saying Microsoft isn't to blame, thats not what I said, I said they're not entirely to blame. Yes Microsoft went to the Publishers about it, but what stopped the Publishers saying no? Microsoft can't put forward a console without games.

The only way I see the check in system being a problem is for people with no internet connection for whom yes I feel sorry for, but still it doesn't affect me, so it doesn't bother me that much

Personally I like the cloud, the way Microsoft are implementing it isn't the right way in my opinion, but its still a good idea.

As for Kinect, I never even mentioned that and don't care either way, first thing I'll be doing is covering the mic and camera anyways so I don't have to use the bloody thing.

Now for all the effort you put into saying I made things up and twisting what I said so I looked like a moronic fanboy it could've been put to better use offering a less patronizing response.

I'm not a fanboy, I simply like the system itself. I don't care about the DRM because I have an internet connection, I agree its a horribly implemented system that simply will kill the Xbox One until they take it away months after the system launches (hopefully) but still, it won't affect me, so I'm not going to take to the internet to blindly put the console down when aside from the DRM issues it looks like a pretty slick console.

And yeah I do doubt it, Publishers have been shoving bullshit DRM features down our throats for years on both PS3 and on X360, this next gen isn't going to be any different no matter what Sony says, they only way they've got it better is their lack of the proprietry bullshit microsoft have on the Xbox one.

I'm buying both consoles by the way, before you play the fanboy card, I'm a fan of both systems, but there are flaws with both.
 

Usobuko

Banned
This is just the Western perspective. I'm pretty sure in Asia, including Japan, the ratio will just get more lopsided in favour of Sony.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Day one edition for the xbone still hasn't sold out and the standard edition is at 41 lol

And this is taking into account that everywhere is getting much less initial shipments of Xbox One than PS4.

It truly is the most astonishing train wreck in this industries history. Never thought I'd live to see the day where something actually fucked up harder than $599.99. And what's worse, the bad media news cycles literally never end with this system. Every day is something new. About the first basic break in the bad news at all has been a bit of an expansion of the Xbox One Family share system which, for the moment, at least cushions the blow of someone buying that abomination a teensy tiny little bit.

Flaming plane parts everywhere at this point
 
That's just US ;) their primary audience with all the US features that have been heavily promoted. This does not bode well for MS.

It's so early so it doesn't mean too much but if that held up, losing their most dominant territory 3:2 would be crushing for MS. Europe is going to be even harder to win over this gen with the device they're putting out and the confusing policies and US specific features. On top of that, no head start this gen.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
Hang on a second, I didn't make anything up White Knight Mgee and yeah Master Chief Avatar who cares, you have a dog in a suit drinking a martini Big whoop wanna fight about it?

Now the next thing you say is that I am saying Microsoft isn't to blame, thats not what I said, I said they're not entirely to blame. Yes Microsoft went to the Publishers about it, but what stopped the Publishers saying no? Microsoft can't put forward a console without games.

While not exactly the same, Steam also requires a check in for its games to work single player yet like most people on Gaf you probably view it as the fucking holy grail.

Personally I like the cloud, the way Microsoft are implementing it isn't the right way in my opinion, but its still a good idea.

As for Kinect, I never even mentioned that and don't care either way, first thing I'll be doing is covering the mic and camera anyways so I don't have to use the bloody thing.

Now for all the effort you put into saying I made things up and twisting what I said so I looked like a moronic fanboy it could've been put to better use offering a less patronizing response.

I'm not a fanboy, I simply like the system itself. I don't care about the DRM because I have an internet connection, I agree its a horribly implemented system that simply will kill the Xbox One until they take it away months after the system launches (hopefully) but still, it won't affect me, so I'm not going to take to the internet to blindly put the console down when aside from the DRM issues it looks like a pretty slick console.

And yeah I do doubt it, Publishers have been shoving bullshit DRM features down our throats for years on both PS3 and on X360, this next gen isn't going to be any different no matter what Sony says, they only way they've got it better is their lack of the proprietry bullshit microsoft have on the Xbox one.

I'm buying both consoles by the way, before you play the fanboy card, I'm a fan of both systems, but there are flaws with both.

I think my biggest issue here is that MS went to the pubs with their shitty DRM and made them the focus of their business strategy. They should have thought first about the consumer, ya know, the ones who buy the games and support both companies in the first place? Without us, they have nothing to sell. Remember that.
 
Mhmm.
Guy on facebook is adamant he's buying an Xbone, despite me telling him the vast array of reasons for avoiding it. He had a 360 and that is what he knows.
Funnily enough he pre-ordered it along with MGSV and Watch Dogs - two games that'll probably look and run better on PS4.

Oh, and he actually believed in the 'infinite power of the cloud' and that Kinect would provide 'endless possibilities' - and he was adamant that Sony would follow MS with the DRM policies.
Some people are just brainwashed.

Hmmm... he might be in need of a trip to see a certain wizard who sorta grants wishes... is he a scarecrow by any chance?

TO MODS: I'm joking don't ban me.
 
Actually they were also out of day one X1 , they just restocked yesterday.

regardless I believe both launch will be sold out
That, or people canceled their preorders, freeing up units for sale again. Or Microsoft is shifting some of Gamestop's initial allocation to Amazon and other sites, since Gamestop is apparently actively pushing PS4 ahead of Xbone. A third possibility is people are simply choosing different avenues of preordering PS4, because anyone who is trying to preorder this early is obviously someone who wants the system on launch day. So, why would they preorder the standard edition PS4 whose explicit distinction is an uncertain delivery day?

Though I agree, no matter how the allocations are divided between retailers, I expect a complete launch sell-out of both consoles.
 

hatchx

Banned
No source, I just said I personally doubt that their games are going to be DRM free. Its probably going to be something similar to EA's code redemption drm or something but its still going to be there. Don't get me wrong it won't be anywhere near as godawful as the Xone's but its still DRM.

The worst part of it is is that when I go into the store, and basically prove the clerk to be a liar, the dude's going to look like an asshole, yet I can understand the reason he did it. Sale of Pre Owned games is Gamestop's biggest profit maker, the Xbox One pretty much eliminates that (Unless Gamestop is one of the few retailers co opted by Microsoft in their endorsed Resalers scheme) so they're trying to steer people to the PS4, more people with PS4, more trade ins, more resales, more money for GameStop. I just think its pretty fucking disgraceful that they're all out lying to people to do it. I mean hell if it wasn't for the fact that I cannot fucking stand Dual Shock, and that PlayStation exclusives don't interest me, except for TLOU, I would be buying PS4 due to the information from E3.

If they told people the truth I'm sure they'd get the same end result anyways, but lying is a breach of Consumer Rights, Misleading Advertisement, Misrepresented Products, and Misleading Info from store employee's directly to willing paying customers.




*looks at your display pic*
 

Rtas

Member
I think my biggest issue here is that MS went to the pubs with their shitty DRM and made them the focus of their business strategy. They should have thought first about the consumer, ya know, the ones who buy the games and support both companies in the first place? Without us, they have nothing to sell. Remember that.

Oh I agree that Microsoft fucked up big time, I think the Xbox one will be dead for at least 6 months till they realise they made a mistake and fix it. I just don't like this whole "Lets ignore the Publishers part in it" way of people who argue about it.

Damn, an apology from you and there I was being snarky with my 'woefully'. Sorry about that, over the last few weeks pointing this daily has been driving me nuts.

Eh its no problem I've not updated steam in ages so that could be why I didn't know about it

*looks at your display pic*

Really? Yet again so what I have a Halo avatar, I like the game you have a nintendo avatar should I point that out too if I see you in a nintendo thread?
 

Zaventem

Member
And this is taking into account that everywhere is getting much less initial shipments of Xbox One than PS4.

It truly is the most astonishing train wreck in this industries history. Never thought I'd live to see the day where something actually fucked up harder than $599.99. And what's worse, the bad media news cycles literally never end with this system. Every day is something new. About the first basic break in the bad news at all has been a bit of an expansion of the Xbox One Family share system which, for the moment, at least cushions the blow of someone buying that abomination a teensy tiny little bit.

Flaming plane parts everywhere at this point

Agreed. If the didn't have the drm shenanigans and launched at the $499 price there would be some backlash but not on this scale. Competition is good and both Sony and MS pushed each other to implement new things this gen, but if this is the route they're taking i see nothing that i can support in this console.
 
And this is taking into account that everywhere is getting much less initial shipments of Xbox One than PS4.

It truly is the most astonishing train wreck in this industries history. Never thought I'd live to see the day where something actually fucked up harder than $599.99. And what's worse, the bad media news cycles literally never end with this system. Every day is something new. About the first basic break in the bad news at all has been a bit of an expansion of the Xbox One Family share system which, for the moment, at least cushions the blow of someone buying that abomination a teensy tiny little bit.

Flaming plane parts everywhere at this point

MS has to see this coming, they cannot launch under these circumstances. The XBone is not the PS3, things wont get better for it. If it bombs at launch, there is no potential for a resurrection especially considering the PS4 will going all in at the same time. They have to hit the ground running and somehow manage to carry the momentum, if they tank now Xbox is in real danger, once mindshare has changed just doing good enough wont be enough to pull you out of a hole, they would have to go back to hoping Sony fucks up again.

They have from now to November to sort this shit out or they are in deep shit
 

beast786

Member
The thing is the day 1 launch PS4 is sold out here so it cant sell anymore to fill that first place roll. Secondly, look at the top selling games. The multiplats are PS4 versions.

Oof, the PS camera is outselling Forza? Yikes.

again. XB1 day one was number one but got sold out. It was then ps4 launch took number one. Now ps4 is sold out and XB1 got restocked and went back to 1.

None of it would matter as both will be sold out at launch.

the fact 360 ruled USA and lead NPD for forever is even neck to neck (ps4-xb1) is a huge victory for Sony at MS strongest hold territory .
 
Then again this is only data from 1 retail chain. A big part of the picture is missing. Which is the pre-order statistics from Best Buy and Gamestop.
 

Azull

Member
Actually a friend of mine that works at my local Ebgames told me they were instructed to inform people about the Xbones policies and promote the crap out of the PS4. Makes sense really.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
MS has to see this coming, they cannot launch under these circumstances. The XBone is not the PS3, things wont get better for it. If it bombs at launch, there is no potential for a resurrection especially considering the PS4 will going all in at the same time. They have to hit the ground running and somehow manage to carry the momentum, if they tank now Xbox is in real danger, once mindshare has changed just doing good enough wont be enough to pull you out of a hole, they would have to go back to hoping Sony fucks up again.

They have from now to November to sort this shit out or they are in deep shit

No way they saw this coming. They thought our cute lil messageboard would cry for a bit and then it would all be forgotten and swept under the rug.

I did NOT expect an E3 and fan reaction like that during the Sony conference.

I did NOT expect poll results from every possible site even TeamXbox to be so one sided towards Sony.

I did NOT expect a simple little cute spoof of lending games would garner 11 million+ views.

This is a much bigger deal than some people think.
 

Beelzebubs

Member
Then again this is only data from 1 retail chain. A big part of the picture is missing. Which is the pre-order statistics from Best Buy and Gamestop.

This is just from one of the largest retailers, imagine what all the independent shops are saying. All the ones I know of in my area are doing the same thing.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
again. XB1 day one was number one but got sold out. It was then ps4 launch took number one. Now ps4 is sold out and XB1 got restocked and went back to 1.

None of it would matter as both will be sold out at launch.

the fact 360 ruled USA and lead NPD for forever is even neck to neck (ps4-xb1) is a huge victory for Sony at MS strongest hold territory .

I agree that both will sell out at launch. The issue there is I think (and from all rumors showing) that the PS4 will have a much better supply so regardless of if XB1 sells out, it might still be underwhelming compared to the PS4 numbers.

Cboat is pretty damn good so I'm leaning that way as of right now. (Yield issues I mean)
 

beast786

Member
I agree that both will sell out at launch. The issue there is I think (and from all rumors showing) that the PS4 will have a much better supply so regardless of if XB1 sells out, it might still be underwhelming compared to the PS4 numbers.

Cboat is pretty damn good so I'm leaning that way as of right now. (Yield issues I mean)

I agree. I already have my launch confirmation. :)
 

dmg04

#DEADWRONG
Funny, The guy at my gamestop didn't attempt to sway me to the PS4 at all.
Processed my X1 preorder pretty quick.
We actually ended up talking for a while about E3 and the different games.

The other employee of the two was super stoked on a certain PS4 game, but neither mentioned a single thing about DRM or trades.
 

mr2t

Banned
again. XB1 day one was number one but got sold out. It was then ps4 launch took number one. Now ps4 is sold out and XB1 got restocked and went back to 1.

None of it would matter as both will be sold out at launch.

the fact 360 ruled USA and lead NPD for forever is even neck to neck (ps4-xb1) is a huge victory for Sony at MS strongest hold territory .

How do they restock a console that has no physical units made yet? It's probably still available due to cancellations.
 
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