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The Pokémon Company speaks out against cheating
- Thread starter JoeM86
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Deleted member 17706
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That's probably the only solution... and a short-term one at that (until people figure out how cheat on a 3DS).
And then they will create patches that prevent you from starting the game or connecting with other 3DS' until you update.
Is trading really that much of a hassle nowadays with the internet?
How the hell does this affect you? It's not cheating and anyone who thinks it's cheating seems to lack an understanding of how random elements work in video games.
Hidden Power in itself is pretty bullshit. "Oh yeah, any Pokemon can have any type attack randomly on there." I'm completely okay with them removing both IVs and Hidden Power.
Number 2 would be evil. All those wasted breeding hours lol.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/violentine-1122/hero/25063052
Me, proud owner of 2 top ranked characters us and world.
Velcro Fly
Member
Who knew...
Some people edit Pokemon to get their best abilities and hidden stats in order to compete while keeping them within actual obtainable stats, some just go beyond that and create Pokemon with impossible stats like 999 on everything...
Monado Blade
Member
Yeah, I'm sure people will figure out a DNS server hack or something similar. But that might take a while and like Sandfox says, it could probably be patched. Probably.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
It affects normal players who don't want to use these tools or hacks because cheaters will participate in official competitions. As long as the stats are in line with what's possible, the event staff can't just ban these people no matter how unlikely their team full of perfect Shiny Pokémon is.
So you don't actually mind spending hundreds (probably thousands in your case) of hours battling the RNG, but you'll gladly cheat if you have the means to?
IVs go against the values Pokemon tries to promote. Some Pokemon shouldn't be useless compared to other Pokemon. You shouldn't need to breed 100 Pokemon and throw away those deemed "too weak" until you find the strong one. There are other ways to differentiate Pokemon rather than IVs. The unique aspect of a Pokemon shouldn't have anything to do with its stats.
First off, that's a competitive player. He was clearly trying to play off my post and saying "Normal" players to refer to casual players. Secondly, I completely agree that using stuff like PokeBuilder sucks for tournaments. I'm talking only about taking advantage of Pokemon's RNG (which has helped decrease the number of people using AR in the community significantly).
MotionBlue
Member
They need to make certain Pokemon more readily available if they don't want people hacking. There are 4 or 5 Pokemon that are literally impossible to get at any given moment.
Let's be quite honest here: RNGing is not creating "hacked" pokemon. The game generates these pokemon normally, the only difference is that with third-party tools you can know when the game will generate the pokemon you want. You do not "manipulate the game coding" the game in any way, other than changing your consoles clock to match the seed.
I would argue that this is a very useful mechanic considering how competitive battling depends on having the least chance of luck or variables possible, it's in fact pretty central in competitive playing.
Additionally, these "hacked" pokemon are approved on tournaments and many of the champion teams are clearly RNG'd. If you personally don't like it, that's fine, but please avoid calling it something it isn't, specially when Nintendo themselves never spoke up against RNGd pokemon.
And finally, this doesn't affect "normal" players in worse way. People who truly want hacked pokemon can simply hack them, it's much easier than RNGing, which just provides a tool so people who want to have maximum IVs for a competitive scene where your opponent certainly will have.
Ok, if it's not cheating, RNG without a seed programme and get your desired effect. Can't do that? Oh well
I fully understand how random elements work in video games, but that doesn't mean that exploiting it to get your desired outcome is not cheating. It really is.
Typically, exploits like this get patched in games. If it is duplicated in XY, you can bet that they will do whatever they can to patch it. They already have made strides in regards to this with eggs in Black 2 & White 2, despite people thinking "oh, it's a programming error"
I didn't say they were hacked. I said it was cheating. They're only approved because they can't really be traced. The Pokémon Company has stated that doing this is against the ethos of the game. They have actually spoken out about it.
As the leader of arguably the most prominent Pokémon community, I can tell you that it does affect "normal" players. Not a day goes by where I don't see someone new complaining about it.
Which the game doesn't count for completion purposes and that come back every year or so with new wifi events.
You said this better than I would have, I absolutely agree. Besides, EVs already can make your Pokemon "unique" without having to spend half a century messing with lottery numbers.
CambriaRising
Member
Only time I have used ir-gts and pokesav has been to get certain pokemon not obtainable in the game I am playing. Like a charmander in black/white.
ColtraineGF
Member
I would say they turn a blind eye normally to a *lot* of what goes on concerning RNG abuse, among other things, and only really go after certain cases where it's more obviously egregious (like someone selling an app store, or someone leaking certain information months before time, rather than days 
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Velcro Fly
Member
They need to make IVs and EVs visible and embrace them as part of the game. They've already done quite a bit to make IV breeding easier. I think with the online being even bigger on the 3DS that trading and completing a pokedex will be even easier. I just hate going on the GTS and seeing people looking for a level 9 legendary in exchange for something like a Charmander or Gastly. Hopefully Poke-GAF is great about trading stuff so I can complete a pokedex for the first time since R/B.
Honestly they seem to just be dicks about how they handle pokemon being in what game. It makes it almost easier to hack one and breed it forever instead of getting a legit one.
Honestly they seem to just be dicks about how they handle pokemon being in what game. It makes it almost easier to hack one and breed it forever instead of getting a legit one.
Of course it's not a programming error. Nobody is going to say it's a programming error unless they're a complete moron. It's a very specific thing they've done. Absolutely no external software interacts directly with the game or the Pokemon. All the seed program does is tell you what to do. It's not much different from an IV calculator or damage calculator which people use when building their teams.
This is definitely an exploit. That doesn't make it cheating. The division of The Pokemon Company International that handles competitive play does not consider it cheating. Their last tournament planner has stated himself that it is not cheating. It's not something he liked, but it's not cheating. I'm going to go with their word here over someone who's angry that other people aren't playing by his rules.
Maybe if you're trading via GTS.
My head is full of fuck.
Agreed. If someone likes playing pokemon competitively, they shouldn't have to spend a million hours doing mindless grinding to do so.
GTS is hilarious. There are some greedy motherfuckers on there who legitimately want Legendaries for their shitty pokes with shitty movesets.
Velcro Fly
Member
It should be a test of skill, not a test of can this hacked pokemon pass the eye test and be allowed in to the competition. It would be like in a fighting game the Ryu you get on the character select screen randomly had worse attack and defense than someone else's Ryu. Hacking within legal means is fine. Getting 999 stats or having illegal movesets shouldn't be allowed.
Speaking of illegal movesets, who didn't have a Pikachu with Explosion back in the day and nickname it Bombchu? That was pretty fun too.
Speaking of illegal movesets, who didn't have a Pikachu with Explosion back in the day and nickname it Bombchu? That was pretty fun too.
Could you post such statement?
Honestly, people shouldn't be complaining about RNGing, they should be complaining about the IV system. The people who "cheat" only do so because the game doesn't offer any way to improve the pokemon you already have (for IVs), which is the biggest beef people have with RNGing. If you remove IVs, or add a way to enhance pokemon already created, then all these issues would disappear, and the game would be much more "fair" to everyone.
The in-game tools for trading are crap. Use online forums. Since the RNG was cracked, there has been an explosion in people setting up shops where they'll basically just give you perfect Pokemon. They find breeding / catching them rewarding and like seeing their Pokemon do well in tournaments and such. It's a really rewarding feeling knowing that your Pokemon helped someone win a Regional, National, or even World Championship. Some of the nicest people I've met too. Great community out there. It's kinda died down recently but I hope Pokemon XY have a breeding system that rewards people like that rather than just frustrates them!
Monado Blade
Member
Try the Pokemon thread in Community. There's also a good Reddit sub for trading.
astronautcowboy
Member
Nintendo has brought this on themselves if you ask me. Others have said this, but the process for making a "perfect Pokemon" goes far beyond what it took Ash to become a Pokemon master and Brock a master breeder.
By hiding all of the variables and over complicating them on top of it, they made raising competitive Pokemon, in my opinion, no fun. I love Pokemon, but I don't want to cheat. Therefore, my teams will always suck because the effort required to build a good one is insane.
Thankfully they are changing this by making EVs and IVs more transparent. Maybe that will finally help.
By hiding all of the variables and over complicating them on top of it, they made raising competitive Pokemon, in my opinion, no fun. I love Pokemon, but I don't want to cheat. Therefore, my teams will always suck because the effort required to build a good one is insane.
Thankfully they are changing this by making EVs and IVs more transparent. Maybe that will finally help.
They were in various e-mails users on my forums post. I'll try hunting them down. However, I can assure you that if they could trace it, they'd have banned it in tournaments. They will be doing their best to prevent it from being possible in Gen VI so that pretty much cements their stance on it.
The problem is with IVs. IVs are meant to represent genetic variation in order for each individual Pokémon of the same species to be different. Unfortunately, they didn't add any sort of balance to it so the idea of a "perfect Pokémon" exists when it really shouldn't.
Hahahaha.
You can trade with anyone you meet online.
If they find as way to prevent cheating then the only way to get Pokemon with better IVs is by putting in the effort which seems fair in my book.
The problem is that even people who do their best won't get perfect IVs all around. There is always an element of luck involved in building a pokemon from scratch, and the fact that you can't make it so people play on fair ground on both ways is what people should be angry about. Additionally, I would argue RNGing is not exactly all roses and dreams, though it's certainly much less time consuming than the guys who spend 10+ hours to build 6 pokemons. And it's because of the later that I hate how IVs work: You really shouldn't spend all this time to possibly have the chance of having good pokemon.
Then complain about IVs people. Seriously, I can't stress enough how IVs are a inherently (heh) wrong feature/solution for Pokemon. For a game that incentives building and caring for your pokemon, how come the pokemons I play the story mode with and that I spent dozens of hours with are inherently weaker than pokemons that someone breed in 5 minutes when he lucked out with the way the RNG works?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Only used this in Diamond/Pearl to get all the event legendaries that TPC (at that time) wasn't bothering to release over Wi-Fi like any sane dev would. I'm not going to travel miles to catch something that should be catchable in the game. Sorry Joe.
CommandThrower
Member
I'll be honest and say yes, at least for some people, it's a huge hassle.
The first Pokemon game I really played seriously was Diamond, and I was outraged at first when I learned that some Pokemon could only be evolved via trading, some of my favorites at that! Pretty much all of my DS owning friends didn't play Pokemon, and the wireless router at my place wasn't supported by Nintendo's WiFi connection. I had to go to a friend's house about 20 miles away just to trade over the internet. So, I eventually just bought a brand new DS, since the first one I had was a just a friend's that I bought for like $60. I did all my trading that way.
You may say "just buy a supported router". I could have, but I got the other DS instead, which was worth more to me than another wireless router.
Fast forward seven years later, I bought myself a 3DS, and I can actually connect to Nintendo's WiFi connection on my 3DS~! I should note that I have since changed wireless routers, but they are still unsupported by old DS systems. I guess because the routers are too new? Anyway, it doesn't matter.
So, in short, I say yes trading was a hassle for the fourth and fifth generation of Pokemon. For the upcoming sixth generation of Pokemon, I say it won't be a hassle. The changes to the online functionality of the 3DS, and just the changes that X and Y are making with it's online functions, takes a lot of the hassle out.
PigSpeakers
Member
Man, i ain't even care about that. All I want is EXP multipliers so I don't have to spend 20,000 hours grindin.
Professor Beef
Banned
Yeah, Nintendo wasn't doing anybody any favors with the security restriction on the DS games.
Just like with Ruby and Sapphire, right?
computers putin'
Member
Make the game mechanics less obtuse to get competitive Pokemon then. I heard X/Y will make things like IV's and EV's more transparent, that's a start. But I'll sooner hack up some legit Pokemon or use a battle simulator to enjoy the metagame, as opposed to wasting my time breeding (or messing with RNG, admittedly never bothered with it) when I could be spending my time battling and team building. Then again I never played in any official tournaments, so I wasn't hurting anyone else. I used my hacked pokemon against other people's hacked pokemon lol.
Really it all comes down to . . .
Agreed wholeheartedly with the bold, it never made sense to me for them to hide IV/EV values