Triggerhappytel
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Ugh, that's all so disgusting. Getting fucking hate mail and threats of bodily harm. Jesus. I hope that's been reported to the police.
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Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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Ugh, that's all so disgusting. Getting fucking hate mail and threats of bodily harm. Jesus. I hope that's been reported to the police.
dragonelite
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So this is again a classic case of taking it too Twitter goes wrong?
I don't get it why people do it 99% of the time it will back fire.
file a complain or get contact information and work it out in private.
I don't get it why people do it 99% of the time it will back fire.
file a complain or get contact information and work it out in private.
Night Angel
Member
So... itsfuckingnothing.gif.
No mentions of it or thing. Presenter caught by surprise was confused about the gender of a trans person (who admittedly could easily be mistaken for a brony) and didn't know how to refer to said trans person.
News worthy.
No mentions of it or thing. Presenter caught by surprise was confused about the gender of a trans person (who admittedly could easily be mistaken for a brony) and didn't know how to refer to said trans person.
News worthy.
Son of Cervantes
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She tried to screw over that poor presenter's career, he should sue her for libel.
I have no sympathy for someone who lies and exaggerates about an honest mistake and then tries to cover it up.
ThreePiMatt
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Comedian can't tell someone's gender and makes a mistake. The rational response to that is clearly to destroy the guy's reputation and career to advance the cause of transgendered acceptance.
"Being misgendered at Eurogamer was nothing compared with my punishment for speaking up about it. This is why trans people rarely speak up when these things happen. People tracked down my phone number."
She posted the phone number herself publicly on twitter when asking Kotaku to contact her I think. It was a bad call. Everyone could see it. No one tracked down her phone number.
This is extremely misleading.
You make it sound like cis male's can't have legitimate problems. I don't know why you have to even mention his gender in this context.
She posted the phone number herself publicly on twitter when asking Kotaku to contact her I think. It was a bad call. Everyone could see it. No one tracked down her phone number.
This is extremely misleading.
You make it sound like cis male's can't have legitimate problems. I don't know why you have to even mention his gender in this context.
Ah, I see she went into this with an open mind. Despite the fact that only moments later, the host is in hot water for asking for more women to come on stage.
She'd have been better off admitting that she fucked up, but that the disproportionate response she received was thoroughly despicable and unwarranted.
Yeah, the way she lied to try to destroy someone's career by exaggerating an honest mistake, then attempting to cover it up is awful, especially when the person accused got threats from people who couldn't have known she was lying.
Son of Cervantes
Member
That's actually pretty accurate.
You say cis male like it's a bad thing.
So she lied about the main bulk of the insulting stuff? That's a pretty shitty thing to do, especially given the consequences to his career and even life. Does anyone have a video of the event? I don't know who or what to believe, but if she lied and exaggerated, that's really poor form.
Miles Quaritch
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She should definitely report the threats to the police. They take threats, etc on Twitter very seriously.
NullPointer
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Maybe there wasn't anybody at fault here.
Son of Cervantes
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She lied about ALL the insulting stuff. The guy confused her gender because she dressed up like a brony and her gender wasn't easy to determine. It's obvious he meant no offense.
I think he should definitely sue her, he has grounds. She dragged his reputation through the floor because he made a reasonable mistake that hurt her feelings.
Zen_Arcade
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Actually, yes. That's exactly how it goes. The presenter didn't do anything wrong, she lied about how the presenter treated her and then went on a crusade to smear his name. The presenter is absolutely the victim in the situation.
She shouldn't have been getting those messages and death threats, that's obviously wrong, but she's the one who put herself in the situation by straight up lying about what happened.
Is this definitely true? Do we have pics of her from the say or otherwise?
The Cowboy
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They are both victims.
The presenter made a mistake and mistook a woman for a man (because she looks like a man) and referred to her as "that person" - this made her a victim.
She took major offence to that and then went onto twitter, named him and then lied about what he actually said to make it seem a lot worse than it was - making him a victim.
And due to her twitter actions, the presenter got a lot of hate messages and so did she (they both didn't deserve any - not even the initial twitter shame she did on the presenter).
That cause is already well and truly fucked. Oh the things people WISH they could say about me, alas, they value their accounts too much.
Someone who is born male and identifies as a male I guess. I just know the terms cis and trans from chemistry lol.
NullPointer
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The crux of the problem here for me is that a person can be made a victim without anybody victimizing them.
Its not an act of hate or bigotry to think somebody is a male, or female for that matter. Nor the fumbling of pronouns for that matter.
StalkerUKCG
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I asked a buddy about this who was at Eurogamer when this thread first popped up and his reaction was basically the guy confused her gender and that was it. I went on to tell him the other stuff and he had no idea what I was walking about. Makes sense now.
Why are you so angry?
Night Angel
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You must think you are more important than you are.
But I'm just a white cis male. Fuck me, right?
Honest question as I don't know you - who are you and what do people wish to say about you?
Metalmurphy
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No, because she lied we have reason to distrust everything else she said. There were other people there that post on gaf and already said nothing bad actually happened. Mistaking her for a man alone does not make the presenter a bad person, acting awkwardly in an awkward situation neither.
Hell, looking at the twitter photo even I would think she's a he.
She shouldn't have lied.
That doesn't mean I don't feel bad about the responses she got, but just because she got such a harsh reaction doesn't mean what she did/said was right either.
Delusibeta
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So at the end of the day, it turns out the presenter might have a case for slander. I am not a lawyer, but people have been successfully sued for less. (innocent face)
Cis = not trans.
Cis = not trans.
You're now imagining what people "must" being thinking about this situation, presuming we're all calling her a "fucking bitch." You're responding to strawmen instead of the words and ideas right in front of you. Exactly what did the presenter do that deserved public attacks and accusations that weren't true? Did you even read the write-up? She's continuing to deliberately lie there as well. She posted her phone number on twitter to get attention from Kotaku. That was unwise, no matter how you cut it, but no one "tracked it down."
And more importantly. I'm not "GAF." If you can't respond directly to questions about the situation at hand, I'm not sure what your contribution here is. I'd like your perspective on things like this because I know it's something very important to you. It is to me as well, but if you can't handle it without acting like this, I think some distance might be helpful before you respond.
What the heck are you talking about? This is bordering on an actual persecution complex.
Son of Cervantes
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I felt pretty bad for her at first, then as I read more, I started doubting her story, and now she's backtracked on all of it except being called "that person."
She's kind of a troll.
Quadraphonic
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"Die cis scum"
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum
There's a large group of the LGBT community that actually advocates violence against anybody that isn't LGBT, not understanding the hypocrisy.
Zen_Arcade
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And you think that someone lying about a situation like this is going to have any benefit for the cause? All this is going to do is cast doubt when a story comes up about someone ACTUALLY being discriminatory towards someone who is transgendered.
baphomet
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Self grandeur much?
Fantastical
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I think what likely happened, and others have mentioned this, is that she was offended by being called a male and then "this person" on stage. The comedian probably didn't mean it offensively, and is likely very rarely involved in a situation like that, especially in front of a crowd of people. After it happened, Laura was probably very mad and in her anger exaggerated what happened on stage and made the comedian to be some huge villain in her mind when it was just really a misunderstanding.
It does feel a little disingenuous to fabricate/exaggerate a story trying to publicly shame someone (which she admitted was her intention) and then try to make your case an example of hate for transgendered people. The hate she is getting for being transgendered is of course terrible, but you hurt your case with the other bullshit.
Um... I think you're exaggerating.
It does feel a little disingenuous to fabricate/exaggerate a story trying to publicly shame someone (which she admitted was her intention) and then try to make your case an example of hate for transgendered people. The hate she is getting for being transgendered is of course terrible, but you hurt your case with the other bullshit.
Um... I think you're exaggerating.
A cis person is just someone who identifies with the biological sex they were born with. i.e. not trans.
Ol No Bones
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Im a white male who can afford some things and I'm jealous cause I can never be a victim when people say stupid shit to me. It's just not fair!
I also defended her and she does has a point in the comedian fucking up and the event guys not letting her talk to him, he might be a bigot or not, but her lies and libelous shit that sparked in the heat of the moment ended up hurting her case.
Her comments on the industry are very true, but being a liar makes her a shoddy messenger.
Her comments on the industry are very true, but being a liar makes her a shoddy messenger.
Custard Trout
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I know this girl, and honestly it's just upsetting it happened. That show had so many issues this year.
I'm just wondering who she is. I honestly don't know.
Tesseract
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battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
~ james cameron
You're certainly not biased on this situation at all, I can tell.
Ohhh boy, so a liar that lies to play the victim once again lies(mislead would be way too generous here) to play the victim what a shocker!
In other news, the sky is blue, water is still wet and the sun is hot.
Btw, even though I have reservations when it comes to believing her, I actually don't doubt that she received some nasty comments or emails through this whole ordeal, considering what actually happened, this is the internet and it doesn't really take much to have some shit thrown your way.
She lied, possibly risked a unintentional bystander's career, and made a large ruckus over a misunderstanding.
I can respect something as simple as equality. I don't respect lying.
Using "cis male" as a derogatory term. Cool.
Custard Trout
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She contributes to Destructoid and writes for MCM Buzz
karasu
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In her mind she's the final say on anything involving lgbt issues.
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