This is dumb. Not only does Lumia make the best phones, but WP8 is the best mobile OS I've ever used.
I'll continue the analogy of the previous poster: they appear free because there was no price tag and the store hasn't opened yet, but someone working there has left the door open and people came in and bought the items for free.
And is that not the fault of the store owner for not only opening the door early, but putting his stock on the shelf and price labelling it freeI'll continue the analogy of the previous poster: they appear free because there was no price tag and the store hasn't opened yet, but someone working there has left the door open and people came in and bought the items for free.
Explain to me how any OS which provides an internet browser with no "forward" button is a good idea? And worse, the "back" button for the browser is the same button you use to close the browser! WHAT. It's a total mess of insane design choices like that.
WP8 has potential but it is an utter disaster right now. Maybe WP11.
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with anything, but isn't the 360 region locked? Do digital games not apply to this or are they playable if you have an account on your 360 from said region? Or is it that Oman has the same region code as NA?
And is that not the fault of the store owner for not only opening the door early, but putting his stock on the shelf and price labelling it free
Is Buy One get One Free promotions stealing as well?
Because there's more to an OS than a browser? If you want, I'll create a list of nitpicks about every other mobile OS.
Spoiler, I'm not actually going to do that.
No, it is not the fault of the store owner someone entered when they weren't supposed to. In real life, for an actual theft, there would be a conviction for breaking and entering. If I understand the technical explanation from earlier correctly, it is more like the items showing up for free at the register because they aren't labeled.And is that not the fault of the store owner for not only opening the door early, but putting his stock on the shelf and price labelling it free.
My friend's 360 never got banned over this (I guess there's still time for the ban to happen, but it seems more unlikely with each passing day), though his Oman account did. He got scared straight, though.
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with anything, but isn't the 360 region locked? Do digital games not apply to this or are they playable if you have an account on your 360 from said region? Or is it that Oman has the same region code as NA?
Anything he did that only got the account banned, like deleting it beforehand or something?
You forgot a couple of parts to the analogy. The customer asked the store owner if the price was correct. The store owner said yes. The store owner then personally delivered the item to the customers house. That still sounds like theft?Walking into a store that you know hasn't opened yet, picking up a merchandise with no price tag and walking out claiming it was free for the taking sounds awfully like textbook theft to me.
You can check the official forums. Thing is, they vet all the posts before they end up visible to the public so there may be more. And some won't have complained, or may have called and got nowhere. Could be a few hundred banned? The majority who did it appear to have been left unharmed.Does anyone have even a rough number of how many consoles have been banned for this? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands?
There was also this Gamefaqs poll. About 17% of people who did it had a ban, most of which included a main account ban.
You forgot a couple of parts to the analogy. The customer asked the store owner if the price was correct. The store owner said yes. The store owner then personally delivered the item to the customers house. That still sounds like theft?
MS could have:
1. Made the meaning of region select more explicit, e.g. "Where do you live?", instead of simply what region do you want?
2. Disallowed all marketplace searching in regions with no marketplace.
3. Disallowed all marketplace purchases in regions with no marketplace.
4. Disallowed all marketplace downloads from regions with no marketplace.
It can't be that difficult to put basic firewalls like that in place.
It's not really a nitpick, it's a basic functionality that simply does not function, and it might be in the browser but it's as a result of the OS itself (the "back" button requirement on handsets.) If you want complaints about the browser, how about that it's about as good as Internet Explorer 2, and can't display about 40% of the webpages I try to throw at it. If you want a nitpick, why do I have to download a third party app just to display my battery percentage, another massively basic piece of functionality that WP8 just removes because it looks bad, and what looks good is more important than what works. Or that you can't close the app you were using two apps ago unless you close the last app you were using as well. Or that the auto-correct doesn't work at all. Or that the list view is totally shit. Or that a hundred other things.
It looks nice as long as you stick to only official apps (because anything with an icon in a different style uglies it up all over the place) but hey, that's not a problem because WP8 barely has any apps, and the ones it has are rubbish. I mean, Twitter can't even be bothered to make their app work properly.
As I said, potential, sure, it could be a very nice OS, but it's a total mess right now and it's bizarre that you'd claim otherwise.
Somehow, putting in the most basic checks to prevent security mistakes is treating people like kids. This being the often used marketing line for internet security firms everywhere, "Protect your data with our services. We'll help you treat people like kids."Can´t stop laughing at this - so MS should treat us like kids because they can´t expect us to behave? Ridiculous.
Calling it hack seems way more appropriate to me.
Can´t stop laughing at this - so MS should treat us like kids because they can´t expect us to behave? Ridiculous.
Point 1 is entirely made up btw.
Generally speaking I really dislike how everybody tries to downplay what they did by calling it a "glitch".
Calling it hack seems way more appropriate to me.
And it absolutely is theft no matter how you guys try to spin it.
0/10 for your trolling effort. Try harder next time.
It doesn't ask where you live. That was my first point a few posts above, which you dismissed as irrelevant.If I have to set up a fake accound for a region that I don't live in
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Where was the unauthorized entry? MS approved it every step of the way (again, see my post above). Where were the system modifications?I call it a hack.
Careful junior.
I stand by my statement.
If I go to the marketplace to buy a game as I usually do and the game is free for no reason I think it's ok to call it a glitch.
If I have to set up a fake accound for a region that I don't live in in order to get to a marketplace that does not exist to obtain a game that isn't listed with the help of a trick I call it a hack.
As far as I know, he didn't play any of the games on his main account. He deleted everything.
Careful junior.
I stand by my statement.
If I go to the marketplace to buy a game as I usually do and the game is free for no reason I think it's ok to call it a glitch.
If I have to set up a fake accound for a region that I don't live in in order to get to a marketplace that does not exist to obtain a game that isn't listed with the help of a trick I call it a hack.
It's not hacking. If it was, everyone creating accounts in Japan to download demos would be "hackers". They're not.
By your words, everyone that lives in Germany, Australia or Japan for example that created an account to get content that wasn't in their country are "hackers". People that used an American account to subscribe to Netflix on their 360s are also "hackers" too then.
If I have to set up a fake accound for a region that I don't live in in order to get to a marketplace that does not exist to obtain a game that isn't listed with the help of a trick I call it a hack.
Is it really so hard to read all the way to the end of a post you are quoting?
So what's the state of play on this at the moment. Has MS issued a statement. Have any folks who've been banned been unbanned?
It was already clear long before that you don't know what you're talking about, but of all the things to call this, a hack is at the bottom of the list. There were no illegal methods used to get the games. It was just creating a foreign account and using Bing Search. Come on now. I thought we were past terrible analogies and examples by now.
By your words, everyone that lives in Germany, Australia or Japan for example that created an account to get content that wasn't in their country are "hackers". People that used an American account to subscribe to Netflix on their 360s are also "hackers" too then.
And since when is someone a hacker when he/she buys goods from another country?
Nobody was buying a damn thing from another country.
I don't know how the Xbox system works but people did not need to click on something like "Buy", "Purchase", or "Complete order" when they purchased Rayman Legends from Oman?
Oman doesn't have a marketplace. It is not possible to legally purchase any 360 content from Oman. The product page was only available by exploit.
Woah, against the law? Were the police called? The FBI? Anyone go to jail?Oman doesn't have a marketplace. It is not possible to legally purchase any 360 content from Oman.
Woah, against the law? Were the police called? The FBI? Anyone go to jail?
Woah, against the law? Were the police called? The FBI? Anyone go to jail?
Oh, so MS writes a TOS, updates it whenever they want, and that makes it a law? Federal or State? EU too? It's just automatically a law in every country, every time MS writes something on paper? Wow at the power they have. That's amazing. Who knew?People broke TOS agreement and got their consoles banned junior.
Oh, so MS writes a TOS, updates it whenever they want, and that makes it a law? Federal or State? EU too? It's just automatically a law in every country, every time MS writes something on paper? Wow at the power they have. That's amazing. Who knew?
People broke TOS agreement and got their consoles banned junior.
1. Do not play any illegitimately obtained software or pirated games.
2. Do not take any action to cause degradation of service for Microsoft or other users.
3. Do not play a game before it has been authorized for play on the service.
Thezy have all the power they want when it comes to protecting their network. They decided to keep thieves out - go figure!
People broke TOS agreement and got their consoles banned junior.
They have all the power they want when it comes to protecting their network. They decided to keep thieves out - go figure!
I see this a lot despite the mods making it clear that it's a no-no. A "junior" is someone that's new here, not new to the real world.
Careful junior.
I stand by my statement.
If I go to the marketplace to buy a game as I usually do and the game is free for no reason I think it's ok to call it a glitch.
If I have to set up a fake accound for a region that I don't live in in order to get to a marketplace that does not exist to obtain a game that isn't listed with the help of a trick I call it a hack.
Then you're an idiot.
wow..
If you think making an account for another region qualifies as a hack, then sorry, you're an imbecile.
If you think making an account for another region qualifies as a hack, then sorry, you're an imbecile.
1. That's not what I said.
2. Again WOW
Got more insults for me?