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[CouldBeWorse]

I don't think you realize how sloppy things are working behind the scenes for Xbone. It took an update around 1.4gb to make the OS better. That same update might be the same size as the day 1 update for retail give or take.

That's par for the course for launch these days. The PS4 has some pretty damn core functionality in that day one update. However, since Microsoft is requiring their day one update, it leads me to believe that at least part of that update is related to the actual playing of games whereas the PS4 will still play single-player games without the update.

I don't know how relevant this "update" (source?) is as you are talking about something that is still in development so there is no "official" version yet. It very well might be a gig or more, but you're jumping to conclusions a bit.

 

[NBtoaster]

I heard PS4 supports this thing called... Twitch & Ustream.

What, those services archives footage? And you can download them, do whatever you want with it, and also... gasp! Upload them to Youtube? What sorcery is this?

That's obviously not going to work if you're under NDA. And is significantly less convienient.

 

[mrklaw]

It would be intellectually dishonest for me not to point out the following.

BF4 is 900p on PS4 "right now". OK, so that leave the door wide open so you can't be wrong if the game ships at 1080p, which is in less than 3 weeks. Let's just say that's a convenient way of making a prediction. If you want to say it's 900p, than say it's 900p. Throwing in the "right now" qualifier just leaves the door open for you to say you weren't wrong later.

Ghosts has framerate issues, but they will be ironed out by launch? Again, a claim that can never be proven false.

And apparently your third prediction was going to be about the resolution for a game that is coming in a year?!? Shit, talk about leaving the door open even further. I could tell you right now that Halo 5 runs at 1080p, but of course if the game comes out a year from now running at 720p, I could always say "Well, it was running at 1080p a year ago!".

I'm sorry, but for a prediction to carry any weight with me, it has to be without qualifications. It can't leave the door wide open so the predictor can never be proven wrong. Otherwise we're just wasting our time here.

It is a damn sight more concrete than some of the info we've had from official sources..

 

[JP]

This seems to have started hitting the non-gaming press now:

International Business Times "Xbox One In Trouble? Reports Of ‘Call Of Duty: Ghosts’ Running In 720p Compared To 1080p For The PS4" - http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-tro...hosts-running-720p-compared-1080p-ps4-1442726
examiner.com "‘Call of Duty: Ghosts’ and ‘Titan Fall’ Xbox One 720p rumors further explained" - http://www.examiner.com/article/cal...box-one-720p-rumors-further-explained?cid=rss

It's understandably all over the gaming press but now its started hitting other places Microsoft really need to take control of this, at the very least they need to start being honest if there are problems.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

That's par for the course for launch these days. The PS4 has some pretty damn core functionality in that day one update. However, since Microsoft is requiring their day one update, it leads me to believe that at least part of that update is related to the actual playing of games whereas the PS4 will still play single-player games without the update.

The SW situation with PS4 not just on OS but tools is not the same as what's happening with Xbone. Those rumors which have been echoed for months on MSFT being behind are not far off.

 

[FeiRR]

It would be intellectually dishonest for me not to point out the following.

BF4 is 900p on PS4 "right now". OK, so that leave the door wide open so you can't be wrong if the game ships at 1080p, which is in less than 3 weeks. Let's just say that's a convenient way of making a prediction. If you want to say it's 900p, than say it's 900p. Throwing in the "right now" qualifier just leaves the door open for you to say you weren't wrong later.

Ghosts has framerate issues, but they will be ironed out by launch? Again, a claim that can never be proven false.

You expect him to be a psychic and predict stuff which isn't happening yet? Come on. He told us what he could and what was verified. That's the actual state for the date stamp you have on his post. Maybe they go higher with the resolution, maybe not. If devs don't know it themselves, how could he know? The game will be at least 900p and that's fine info for me. It destroys all the rumours about platform parity and makes me keep my preorder because I'll live with that res.

And apparently your third prediction was going to be about the resolution for a game that is coming in a year?!? Shit, talk about leaving the door open even further. I could tell you right now that Halo 5 runs at 1080p, but of course if the game comes out a year from now running at 720p, I could always say "Well, it was running at 1080p a year ago!".

That's why he's not telling us right now. Do you even know if Halo 5 engine is in pre-alpha and running anything at any resolution? This is also insider news.

I'm sorry, but for a prediction to carry any weight with me, it has to be without qualifications. It can't leave the door wide open so the predictor can never be proven wrong. Otherwise we're just wasting our time here.

You are free to put him on your ignore list. I always appreciate thuway's info.

 

[Daffy Duck]

I always considered the OS for XB1 to be a massive day one download, wasn't this because they didn't have time time undo all the DRM stuff, so it was going to be a day one download to make those changes?

I might be wrong, but that was my understanding.

 

[Skeff]

It would be intellectually dishonest for me not to point out the following.

BF4 is 900p on PS4 "right now". OK, so that leave the door wide open so you can't be wrong if the game ships at 1080p, which is in less than 3 weeks. Let's just say that's a convenient way of making a prediction. If you want to say it's 900p, than say it's 900p. Throwing in the "right now" qualifier just leaves the door open for you to say you weren't wrong later.

Ghosts has framerate issues, but they will be ironed out by launch? Again, a claim that can never be proven false.

And apparently your third prediction was going to be about the resolution for a game that is coming in a year?!? Shit, talk about leaving the door open even further. I could tell you right now that Halo 5 runs at 1080p, but of course if the game comes out a year from now running at 720p, I could always say "Well, it was running at 1080p a year ago!".

I'm sorry, but for a prediction to carry any weight with me, it has to be without qualifications. It can't leave the door wide open so the predictor can never be proven wrong. Otherwise we're just wasting our time here.

They're already gold, it is shipping at 900p, it will be 900p before a day one update, CoD has gone gold, the retail disc will have framerate issues which will be patched day one.

EDIT: according to this info of course.

 

[deputyspade]

This seems to have started hitting the non-gaming press now:

International Business Times "Xbox One In Trouble? Reports Of ‘Call Of Duty: Ghosts’ Running In 720p Compared To 1080p For The PS4" - http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-tro...hosts-running-720p-compared-1080p-ps4-1442726
examiner.com "‘Call of Duty: Ghosts’ and ‘Titan Fall’ Xbox One 720p rumors further explained" - http://www.examiner.com/article/cal...box-one-720p-rumors-further-explained?cid=rss

It's understandably all over the gaming press but now its started hitting other places Microsoft really need to take control of this, at the very least they need to start being honest if there are problems.

ruh roh! I know yahoo posts examiner articles on their homepage, so it will get exposure.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I always considered the OS for XB1 to be a massive day one download, wasn't this because they didn't have time time undo all the DRM stuff, so it was going to be a day one download to make those changes?

I might be wrong, but that was my understanding.

They have only recently added major stuff and prior to the update the OS was pretty slow. These things should be coming in faster but when there's 3 OS's running in some kind of hyperv config it all seems so unnecessary for a console but that's what MSFT looks to be doing.

 

[BruiserBear]

You expect him to be a psychic and predict stuff which isn't happening yet? Come on. He told us what he could and what was verified. That's the actual state for the date stamp you have on his post. Maybe they go higher with the resolution, maybe not. If devs don't know it themselves, how could he know? The game will be at least 900p and that's fine info for me. It destroys all the rumours about platform parity and makes me keep my preorder because I'll live with that res.

The game is done. Discs are already made, or will be made in literally days. That is a fact if this game is going to be on store shelves by Nov 15th. So the resolution is set on that disc that is shipping. All I pointed out was that giving yourself an out with every prediction is very convenient, and he does it with each of the predictions he made here.

why he's not telling us right now. Do you even know if Halo 5 engine is in pre-alpha and running anything at any resolution? This is also insider news.


You are free to put him on your ignore list. I always appreciate thuway's info.

I know nothing about Halo 5's engine or resolution. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of once again predicting something that can never be proven wrong. If I tell you I'm a psychic, and the universe is telling me the lottery numbers are 5,23,42,55, 68 for next Tuesday, but that could still change, I have predicted absolutely nothing! It's a meaningless prediction.

You can appreciate that type of prediction all you want, but don't expect me to sit by and not point out the absurdity of it.

They're already gold, it is shipping at 900p, it will be 900p before a day one update, CoD has gone gold, the retail disc will have framerate issues which will be patched day one.

EDIT: according to this info of course.

I completely understand all of that, and basically just said the same in that post. My point is making predictions with "right now" in them is just leaving the door open so you can't be proven wrong. Which renders your entire prediction worthless. If people are going to make such claims, they should be made straight up, and Thuway should know enough that the discs for these games are already produced, so we're going to know if these things are true or not, regardless of whether he uses qualifiers in each statement he makes.

 

[Kiriku]

Oh please. A few insiders leak information in dribs and drabs which is very entertaining and useful to an extent, but any such leak is inevitably engulfed in a kind of rabid hysteria.

It's one thing to drop a 'truthfact' but what's missing is any kind of reasoned and balanced analysis of what the 'truthfact' really means. And no, a feeding frenzy of gifs, "First post nailed it!" and "Dat (add word of your choice)" do not count.

Good journalists bring that analysis, GAF does not.

If Twitter and forum outrage are to be the replacement for traditional reporting, then we're all screwed.

I agree with you to some extent. To get to the good parts of NeoGAF, you sometimes have to be prepared to wade through tons and tons of gifs, one-liners, drive-by trolling, people who don't read the OP and ask questions that have been answered 20 times before etc etc. I mean, those things can be entertaining, but if you're looking for a more serious analysis, it takes work to filter out those parts.
But just as some people in the games media view NeoGAF as a shithole filled with dumb discussions and pointless raging, some people on NeoGAF view gaming media as PR shills with absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute. I think both are wrong in that they're generalizing, and I think both sides contribute something meaningful to the overall discussion. There are some good posters and posts on NeoGAF, just as there are some good media outlets for games still.

 

[LiquidSolid]

They're already gold, it is shipping at 900p, it will be 900p before a day one update, CoD has gone gold, the retail disc will have framerate issues which will be patched day one.

EDIT: according to this info of course.

It depends on the source of thuway's information though. If it isn't the developers themselves and is instead someone with access to slightly older builds then there still would've been time for those games to be improved upon before they went gold.

 

[Yasir]

With Forza 5 running at 1080p 60fps vs Drive Club at 1080p 30fps and Drive Club being Delayed, after being in development for 10 years. I'd say Forza has been in development longer and they've managed to churn out 5 games so far with the 6th on the way.

Seems that 1st party developers have tapped in to this ESRAM and the Cloud business. Even if the first wave of 3rd party games are slightly behind because of these technologies it won't be long before they can tap in and utilise them to make games on the Xbox look as good as those on PS4.

The reason I'm going for Xbox is because it looks and sounds more futuristic. I only hope there is some way to "Xbox" to "Computer" when it comes to the voice commands so I can pretend I'm Jean Luc Picard. "Computer, open a channel" brings up Skype, "Computer, Battlefield on screen"! Ha ha

I died. Its from the IBT article comments.

 

[BruiserBear]

It depends on the source of thuway's information though. If it isn't the developers themselves and is instead someone with access to slightly older builds then there still would've been time for those games to be improved upon before they went gold.

And there we have my entire point being proven right before our eyes. The door is left open, so any explanation can still be inserted later to render the claim true.

 

[Portugeezer]

You expect him to be a psychic and predict stuff which isn't happening yet? Come on. He told us what he could and what was verified. That's the actual state for the date stamp you have on his post. Maybe they go higher with the resolution, maybe not. If devs don't know it themselves, how could he know? The game will be at least 900p and that's fine info for me. It destroys all the rumours about platform parity and makes me keep my preorder because I'll live with that res.


That's why he's not telling us right now. Do you even know if Halo 5 engine is in pre-alpha and running anything at any resolution? This is also insider news.


You are free to put him on your ignore list. I always appreciate thuway's info.

I think his point was that almost anyone could have made those predictions with all those safety nets to fall back on.

• If BF4 is 900p for now and at launch then thuway is right; if it changes then that would mean of course it could have changed by the time he got that info. Safety net 1.
• If Ghosts doesn't have performance problems, of course that would mean they improved performance; if it does have problems it means he was correct. COD single player is never smooth so it's an easy prediction to make. Safety net 2.
• The Halo 5 analogy is correct.

THAT SAID: I believe thuway, he probably just doesn't want to commit to anything because he does have his doubters who would be all over him should any of this change.

But BruiserBear makes a good point.

 

[fluffydelusions]

It depends on the source of thuway's information though. If it isn't the developers themselves and is instead someone with access to slightly older builds then there still would've been time for those games to be improved upon before they went gold.

If going by PC beta version which was relatively new build is any indication the game is a beast. It is not surprising they can't hit 1080p @ 60fps on consoles. You need quite the rig to achieve that.

 

[Darksol]

And there we have my entire point being proven right before our eyes. The door is left open, so any explanation can still be inserted later to render the claim true.

Ease up. If the bird talks crap, the bird gets banned. Do you know any members of NeoGAF who are outsmarting the mods and protecting themselves by being sly about their info? Because I don't. All I see is that people who lie or can't back up their info get the axe. If Thuway remains, it's because he's solid.

 

[Iacobellis]

I died. Its from the IBT article comments.

Driveclub has only been patented for ten years!

 

[KORNdoggy]

Shame about BF4 @900p, it breaks the nice uniform list of 1080p games on PS4. But hell, it's better then 720p

 

[Green Yoshi]

M!Games, the oldest German video games magazine, claims that Crysis 3 on Xbox 360 looks significantly better than Call of Duty - Ghosts on Xbox One. If it is that ugly on all new platforms, 1080p would not be very impressive.

I think the focus during the development was on Xbox 360 and PS3, the first true Next-gen CoD will be released Holiday 2014.

 

[deputyspade]

I died. Its from the IBT article comments.

HA! Microsoft is betting that there are enough dudebros and fubars out there, like this guy, that will be dumb enough and ill informed enough to buy into their "innovation" and "moving into the future" nonsense. I don't think there will be enough of them after all these problems come out, especially not priced at $500.

 

[The Maverick]

And there we have my entire point being proven right before our eyes. The door is left open, so any explanation can still be inserted later to render the claim true.

Put thuway on ignore if you must. But I get the feeling that you won't.

Also, way to avoid everything he's been on point with. If the mods verify it, then it's good enough for me.

 

[Racer1977]

my two cents
maybe the games, now, will not have the resolution you would like
yes I know these are next gen machines
but I think we need to give both consoles time to be able to really show what they are capable of
and some of this is the developers fault, is it not?? not sure on that bit

The developers can have all the time in the world, but if they offer up a sub 1080p game, I'm not buying.

It was a straight choice between Killzone SF & Battlefield 4, at a push I'd have bought both, but not at 900p.

I know, I know, it won't be noticeable etc., but I have a wide choice (I'm thinking launch window, not just launch day), a limited budget, and I don't need to make any compromises.

Later in the gen, I'll reasess my position.

 

[Papercuts]

Has a game ever actually been patched to increase resolution? The idea seems weird to me.

 

[HaRyu]

Has a game ever actually been patched to increase resolution? The idea seems weird to me.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread I think, but someone pointed out that the Ghostbusters game on the PS3 was patched to increase resolution?

 

[FeiRR]

The game is done. Discs are already made, or will be made in literally days. That is a fact if this game is going to be on store shelves by Nov 15th. So the resolution is set on that disc that is shipping. All I pointed out was that giving yourself an out with every prediction is very convenient, and he does it with each of the predictions he made here.

But we did not know the resolution of the game. There was no confirmation from devs themselves, the publisher nor anywhere else. It could have been 720p like X1. Thuway had the balls to say "hey people, it will be 900p". Second thing: do you really think DICE stopped development after going gold? I'm sure there will be a huge day 1 patch and more patches to follow. If I remember well, BF3 is now on 1.07 or 1.08 and each of those patches was huge in terms of both engine and gameplay changes. 1.0 on PS3 had terrible framerate stutter in some areas, problems with voice chat, server disconnects, controller lag on some machines, etc. Resolution can change too, it happened before in some games.

I know nothing about Halo 5's engine or resolution. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of once again predicting something that can never be proven wrong.

The moment somebody pops in the BF4 disc into a PS4, takes a screenshot and counts the pixels, we will know if thuway was right. Also remember that undermining him, you undermine our mods who verified his data. I would think twice before doing so.

If I tell you I'm a psychic, and the universe is telling me the lottery numbers are 5,23,42,55, and 68 for next Tuesday, but that could still change, I have predicted absolutely nothing! It's a meaningless prediction. You can appreciate that type of prediction all you want, but don't expect me to sit by and not point out the absurdity of it.

Tuesday's lottery numbers don't exist yet. Resolution for BF4 on PS4 does and it is possible to have this knowledge.

 

[Raist]

Has a game ever actually been patched to increase resolution? The idea seems weird to me.

Ghostbusters, ZoE, SSDHD.

 

[Portugeezer]

It was mentioned earlier in this thread I think, but someone pointed out that the Ghostbusters game on the PS3 was patched to increase resolution?

Yes, but from like 540p to 570p or something like that... nothing drastic.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

The SW situation with PS4 not just on OS but tools is not the same as what's happening with Xbone. Those rumors which have been echoed for months on MSFT being behind are not far off.

Are you corroborating those rumors with proof? Again, not doubting the rumors, but you seem like you are pulling stuff out of your ass, based primarily on CBOAT leaks.

 

[Pennywise]

M!Games, the oldest German video games magazine, claims that Crysis 3 on Xbox 360 looks significantly better than Call of Duty - Ghosts on Xbox One. If it is that ugly on all new platforms, 1080p would not be very impressive.

I think the focus during the development was on Xbox 360 and PS3, the first true Next-gen CoD will be released Holiday 2014.

Source ?

 

[LiquidSolid]

And there we have my entire point being proven right before our eyes. The door is left open, so any explanation can still be inserted later to render the claim true.

So what, you don't want him to post any info unless he's knows 100% that it's the case? If so then you should avoid these threads altogether because there's always the possibility that they could be wrong, even with CBOAT.

Personally, I'd rather have Thuway's 90% sure leaks than hear vague bullshit from videogame writers or have to wait until launch for hands-on impressions. Some information >>>>>> No information.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Personally, I'd rather have Thuway's 90% sure leaks than hear vague bullshit from videogame writers or have to wait until launch for hands-on impressions. Some information >>>>>> No information.

Amen!

And with this, I go to bed. It's 2:30am and it's been a bumpy ride on the GAF Train today!

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Are you corroborating those rumors with proof? Again, not doubting the rumors, but you seem like you are pulling stuff out of your ass, based primarily on CBOAT leaks.

I have heard the same things and only recently heard about the patch.

 

[Ashes]

This is the problem with launches. Excepting the wii and kinect, launches are typically driven by the core informed crowd.
That's why COD:Ghosts and BF4 leaks are damaging to corporate interests. Ethically speaking, consumers should know before purchasing how their product performs.

That is why I advocate separating Games from Movies even more so than they already do. Consumers should demand the right to know on the game's case [in other words how the game is when shipped], what the native resolution, not upscaled, is, and whether it is 30, unlocked, fixed, or 60, unlocked, fixed, etc.

 

[geordiemp]

All I pointed out was that giving yourself an out with every prediction is very convenient, and he does it with each of the predictions he made here.

.

Sorry I disagree with you, but if he was clairvoyant thuway could give me next weeks lotto numbers...

All he can do is post what he knows now, today. That's it. Even if is 900p today, nothing is stopping Dice doing a large patch day 1 with updated drivers...

who knows, its unlikely.

If everyone was a naysayer, we would not have this board

 

[CouldBeWorse]

I have heard the same things and only recently heard about the patch.

This vague shit needs to stop. Heard from where?

 

[Snubbers]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

 

[Lettuce]

For the love of god, surely 1080p is a give with such an old engine!???

Whats the damn point of having a next gen if half the games are going to be at the same res as last gen!. Stuff like this is really putting my preorder into question and weather i should just stick a middle finger up at this so called 'Next Gen' and stay with PC!!

 

[BruiserBear]

Also remember that undermining Thuway, you undermine our mods who verified his data. I would think twice before doing so.

I am only complaining about the way in which Thuway makes these predictions with qualifications, and I think I've made that pretty clear. Spare me the mod threats based on your misinterpretation of what I've been saying.

 

[Raist]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

Might wanna read the thread title again.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This vague shit needs to stop. Heard from where?

I've heard things like thuway and/or others. Not as much as them but why don't you ask them about their sources?

I'm not obligated to tell you personally.

I don't make things up just to try to rile people up. That's why I only say what I know.

 

[Iacobellis]

Has anything drastic happened since around midnight EST? The latest I remember is a shit ton of 4chan posts getting the other thread closed.

 

[HaRyu]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

Uhh... CoD:Ghosts?

 

[Portugeezer]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

Well there's your problem.

 

[Salex_]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

Reading is hard.

 

[Insane Metal]

Last night there were rumors that cboat (or thuway?) would post something interesting... what happened?

 

[beast786]

What changed?

I thought Adam Boyes confirmed 1080p for BF4 (as per thread title), and this must be concrete, or surely he's a lying douchebag and we'll need his head on a platter, right GAF?

Yes thread title is concrete . Your reading abilities not so much

Spoiler

but I still luv you ;p

 

[Pennywise]

Last night there were rumors that cboat (or thuway?) would post something interesting... what happened?

Nothing, people were quoting a shitty 4chan rumour over and over again until the topic was closed....

 

[CouldBeWorse]

I've heard things like thuway and/or others. Not as much as them but why don't you ask them about their sources?

I'm not obligated to tell you personally.

The others have been mod-vetted. You haven't, as far as I know. Others making claims like you are have been asked to verify themselves, mostly resulting in bans. You either put up or you keep your mouth closed of you're not willing to put up.

You don't owe ME shit, but you are obligated to the rest of the community if you want to be a part of this community.