It beats making snap decisions based on launch games of all things. Especially when it's widely accepted that MS's drivers/tools have been complete shit, and appear to still be. That wont last much longer.
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Adam Boyes Confirms: Call of Duty: Ghosts is Native 1080p on PS4
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It beats making snap decisions based on launch games of all things. Especially when it's widely accepted that MS's drivers/tools have been complete shit, and appear to still be. That wont last much longer.
But the hardware deficit will last the entire gen.
Oh please. A few insiders leak information in dribs and drabs which is very entertaining and useful to an extent, but any such leak is inevitably engulfed in a kind of rabid hysteria.
It's one thing to drop a 'truthfact' but what's missing is any kind of reasoned and balanced analysis of what the 'truthfact' really means. And no, a feeding frenzy of gifs, "First post nailed it!" and "Dat (add word of your choice)" do not count.
Good journalists bring that analysis, GAF does not.
If Twitter and forum outrage are to be the replacement for traditional reporting, then we're all screwed.
fastford58
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Nothing in the games industry matches your estimation of what journalism is at the moment. The industry is a fucking circus right now.
Analysis. LOL. Fucking bias and shillary everywhere. It does not breed "analysis".
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I think the fact that groups of posters on gaf have mass meltdowns on published reviews and analysis speaks volumes of the power of gaming journalism.
That's not to say that gaming journalism isn't trash, because it definitely is. But GAF's ability to act as a hub of leaks and insider knowledge seems only important during the launch of nextgen consoles, when tempers are flaring up and each side will grab on to any piece of information as a way to validate their choice of platform, than at any other point in the generation. And these launches happen once in a decade.
So yeah, forums like GAF definitely have their place in the industry, but they're not going to be replacing gaming journalism.
That does not suit him, therefore these differences are only caused by driver / dev tool issues.
SneakyStephan
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All the (vast majority of) 'journalists' tend to offer is a spin or damage control, or leading questions (like the leadbetter interviews) or hype stacked upon more empty hype
The only reason why people go through the monumental effort of sifting through dozens of threads and thousands of posts on forums like gaf is because it's impossible to get an objective impression or unfiltered information from the 'journalists'.
We go online to get informed, and instead they 're just trying to sell us shit.., be it clicks or the games they have exclusive interviews for
None of them have the balls to warn consumers about anything they would need to know to make an informed decision because then they risk getting cut off by the publishers.
The sheer amount of control that publishers (and the big 3) now have over gaming news is insane, there is no such thing as a non controlled leak anymore.
They don't serve us since we don't pay the bills, we're a commodity they require to get their ad money from clicks. Because of this they don't serve much of a purpose to us anymore and they struggle to maintain any relevance.
All the (vast majority of) 'journalists' tend to offer is a spin or damage control, or leading questions (like the leadbetter interviews) or hype stacked upon more empty hype
The only reason why people go through the monumental effort of sifting through dozens of threads and thousands of posts on forums like gaf is because it's impossible to get an objective impression or unfiltered information from the 'journalists'.
We go online to get informed, and instead they 're just trying to sell us shit.., be it clicks or the games they have exclusive interviews for
None of them have the balls to warn consumers about anything they would need to know to make an informed decision because then they risk getting cut off by the publishers.
The sheer amount of control that publishers (and the big 3) now have over gaming news is insane, there is no such thing as a non controlled leak anymore.
They don't serve us since we don't pay the bills, we're a commodity they require to get their ad money from clicks. Because of this they don't serve much of a purpose to us anymore and they struggle to maintain any relevance.
velociraptor
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Scathing. That's pretty fucking terrible, and honestly a sad reflection on Salvor.Hardin.
gundamkyoukai
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Your joking right , the game industry media does not have that this year was proof of that .
This year we had if MS did something Sony has to do it also along with other false or inaccurate information from journalists .
Most people on this board knew the DRM had to go for MS to stand a chance mean while most of gaming press saying no one would care expect hardcore gamers .
GAF has more discussion and analysis that all gaming press combine even thought it sometimes full of gif etc etc .
Of course it will. I don't think anyone in their right mind is disputing that.
Never said that, but please continue to have imaginary conversations with imaginary people.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Has anyone considered it could be nothing to do with either MS or Sony? Perhaps it's new Youtube policies?
AHA-Lambda
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So has all of this speculation sot do with YouTube or not? =/
It's starting to sounds to me like everything is just fucked, especially CBOAT talking of big problems XB1wise.
Proelyte started it last week. Said something about games shutting the system down constantly and that CoD at 720p is better than CoD at 720p that can barely run without restarting the console. Sounds like more than just game developers are crunching.
deputyspade
Member
It may be due more to their hardware than drivers/tools.
Marvel
could never
God that sounds terrible.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
1080p isn't that important unless you sell your game as a graphics power house. BF4 being 900p means that I'm not getting this for consoles. I'll be playing it in 1080p on my PC like it was meant to be enjoyed.
Personally I'm fine with never playing a sub-1080p game ever again. With Sony's output at 1080p regardless of developer they have the standard for the platform. Here's hoping 3rd party follow suit.
Personally I'm fine with never playing a sub-1080p game ever again. With Sony's output at 1080p regardless of developer they have the standard for the platform. Here's hoping 3rd party follow suit.
Rock Gotti
Banned
You are correct in respect of the bigger picture.
However, for myself (and I wont be alone) they have indeed replaced them. I never visit any "gaming sites" for any reason unless its been linked on this forum or somewhere similar.
GAF is my gaming hub. I dont follow the gaming "journalism" anymore.
That's the point. You don't know. I don't know. Give it time. When they fix their tools and the problems persist, or even if the gulf gets wider as devs learn more and more about how to best use the PS4 hardware, then you know for sure it's the hardware differences. Making snap proclamations based on launch software for either console is just not smart.
Green Yoshi
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87583465&postcount=289
No 1080p for Battlefield 4 on 360U. ;-)
No 1080p for Battlefield 4 on 360U. ;-)
We've known that for awhile. It was more the PS4 that was up in the air(was known to be not 1080p but nothing was really said). Now we know that's 900p.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I'm very similar in that regard. GAF changed my online habits in the sense that I don't need to visit various websites to stay up to date on the latest news and previews. However, GAF functions in conjunction with those websites. When, say, IGN gets an exclusive gameplay video, I'll see that posted on GAF and then follow the link to IGN (or the IGN youtube page) to see the video.
I think GAF can't function without gaming news websites, and gaming news websites certainly benefit by gaf's ability to parse through different news sources and divert traffic to the news worthy (or in many cases, not news worthy) articles that get published.
The Maverick
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Salvor, are you really going to dodge this post, even though he put the work in to have the discussion?
No respect. Anyways, I have mad respect for people like Dat Bird, CBOAT and co. If whatever made bish go underground is anywhere near as costly as the red ring saga, Xbox division is over as we know it. I believe the whole unit is on really thin ice and corporate wants it to be profitable from Day One. Which is probably how all the meddling got us to this point.
deputyspade
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I guess it was also the xbone that Adam Sessler was tweeting about saying it kept giving him error messages.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I have already addressed it and it's terribly off topic anyway. Travis is chasing his tail.
I think he is suggesting that if the gpu is compensating for the cpu [by doing tasks on gpu that are traditionally done on cpus], it allows less resources for traditional gpu centric tasks.
I don't have a link, but I've since mellowed. Even so, I still think it's a money-grabbing, anti-consumer, anti-gamer, practise.
The funny thing is of course, that I was going to subscribe, because the psn+ service side is pretty fucking awesome. The mandatory nature of paying for multiplayer is still wrong.
The reasons some people give for rationalizing this are stupid. For example, it was argued that this will lead to a better service. I don't see why I have to fund infrastructure improvement. I didn't and don't on Steam. I don't pay for multiplayer on my Apple devices either.
If you do find that thread, the above isn't the worst thing. It was the quietened down effect that was the worst thing. And even a new thread got locked immediately. It was made out to be nothing, when it was something.
I apologise to the insiders and mods if my recollections are wrong, but it was kind of the wrong thing to do. Confirming a rumour from a trusted insider to be false, when it was anything but.
Nightengale
Member
Well, GAF works as an excellent filter and a occasional leak from the pipelines, but unfortunately the water-tank doesn't have a dedicated pipeline here, compared to gaming news sites.
So long as the enthusiast gaming press still gets exclusive stuff like interviews, studio access, along other stuff that GAF can't produce on its own, gaming news sites will still exist.
Honestly, what I'd like to see happen is for real news site to have a bigger stake in gaming news. Places like Guardian, or whatnot. Media channels with a significantly lower stake in publisher relationships, compared to the usual IGN and Gamespots. Let them have the juicy steaks, or less for the others.
Who is making snap judgements?
All this information has come from reputable inside sources who have expressly stated that yes ESRAM is in difficulty and that situation should be sorted by driver / dev tool maturation but that even when the dust has settled from that issue the X1 will always have problems keeping up and that X1 users better get used to 720p / 900p as the norm.
Nothing about getting information from good sources and basing judgements from that points to making snap decisions.
PS4 is confirmed 900p?
Rumoured.
A dev or pr statement would be confirmation and I don't believe this exists as of yet.
edit: by the way, Cboat is probably the most trusted insider on Gaf, but even their stuff is rumour and speculation. Goes to show that some rumours are near enough the truth when they come from the right source. That 900p rumour is by the bird I believe.
Neuromancer
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thuway I don't care what anyone says about you, you're OK in my book. Drop the other bomb soon if you can.
I enjoyed seeing Kevin Dent get goofed on by crazy buttocks. Although, he was right about the video capture stuff apparently.
I enjoyed seeing Kevin Dent get goofed on by crazy buttocks. Although, he was right about the video capture stuff apparently.
dragonelite
Member
Wait wut how can cod have issues on ps4 didn't they ported it in 3 weeks and have it running at 1080p@90fps?
I trust the bird.
Most of the haters are juniors, just saying, and with the recent astroturfing happening...
CBOAT has got haters too, dw too much bird
Its probably r/xboxone leaking anyways.
I have no idea but I am expecting the entire month of november to be a massive launch clusterfuck at this rate.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Is Killzone 1080p?
Yes, 30fps Single, 60 multi.
its not really fair to compare a game with the scale of BF in 32 vs 32 players to ... killzone.
with that being said. i like KZ better. lol
MMaRsu
Banned
Above 30fps unlocked with vsync
Your pretty much idolised here dude along with cboat, your info is very much interesting and welcome.(I think people appreciate your posts too, as their not just information bombs, hit n run)
Some guys mostly juniors that havent kept up with your history are just getting bitchy because your info doesn't suit them.
Portugeezer
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Probably the single player if past COD's are anything to go by, they would drop into the 40's.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I don't think you realize how sloppy things are working behind the scenes for Xbone. It took an update around 1.4gb to make the OS better. That same update might be the same size as the day 1 update for retail give or take.
I see everyone has gotten cozy as more crap was said and things are being blow up here.
And some of the posters who defend Dent or side with Albert as he's a saint reveal more as opposed to more of the real facts which we have from a few insiders and just common sense as consumers but it's all so rich to discuss things because of how highly sensitive people are over this console wars crap.
Yeah, BF4 is pretty honorable here imo. It's the only multiplat game that seems to really be trying to actually cater to the new consoles on top of having a bunch of platforms to spread out on.
BruiserBear
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It would be intellectually dishonest for me not to point out the following.
BF4 is 900p on PS4 "right now". OK, so that leave the door wide open so you can't be wrong if the game ships at 1080p, which is in less than 3 weeks. Let's just say that's a convenient way of making a prediction. If you want to say it's 900p, than say it's 900p. Throwing in the "right now" qualifier just leaves the door open for you to say you weren't wrong later.
Ghosts has framerate issues, but they will be ironed out by launch? Again, a claim that can never be proven false.
And apparently your third prediction was going to be about the resolution for a game that is coming in a year?!? Shit, talk about leaving the door open even further. I could tell you right now that Halo 5 runs at 1080p, but of course if the game comes out a year from now running at 720p, I could always say "Well, it was running at 1080p a year ago!".
I'm sorry, but for a prediction to carry any weight with me, it has to be without qualifications. It can't leave the door wide open so the predictor can never be proven wrong. Otherwise we're just wasting our time here.
He backed up why he said 900p in another post, because BF4 is pushing for 1080p on PS4, but stable at 900p...so its a time factor.
SHADES
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The Bird is the Word!
BruiserBear
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Well guess what? There isn't any time left. If BF4 is going to be on stores shelves in less than 3 weeks, those discs are being produced right about now. So we'll know what resolution that game ships at on that disc.
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