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Damn those are some pretty serious stats. Better change the thread title.
The word home doesn't even show up in your post. Thats the only thing plain. I defined consoles as console products released by console manufacturers. Not seeing where the disconnect is??I did, right here, in very plain language:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87837958&postcount=975
Further, the starting point of this entire conversation was this post, where you argued that the PC is not the biggest gaming platform in the world:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87835393&postcount=969
You now seem to be conceding that yes, PC Gaming is indeed the biggest gaming platform in the world, that it is bigger than all the home consoles put together, and is just 15% smaller than PS3+3DS+DS+Vita+PSP+Wii+360 combined.
The word home doesn't even show up in your post. Thats the only thing plain. I defined consoles as console products released by console manufacturers. Not seeing where the disconnect is??
Source required.
And when your console is up to date and you don't have a PC that boots from an SSD, you can get into the game pretty damn fast as well. Bias, how does it work?
Where is your proof?
He's joking. Here's how this conversations typically go:
Person A: PC Gaming is a niche.
Person B: Actually PC Gaming isn't niche; it's the single largest platform in the industry by revenue.
Person A: Well, I just meant hardcore games. I don't care about casual games.
Person B: Even then, the PC is huge. Hardcore Chinese and Korean players provide enormous revenue via MMOs, MOBAs, and other genres.
Person A: Well, I just meant Western Hardcore games.
Person B: Even then, indie games on PC are flourishing. Indies have a much stronger presence on PC than they do any console. The same could be said of MMOs.
Person A: Well, I just mean big budget, Western Hardcore games that aren't MMOs.
And at that point, the argument would probably be correct: consoles are bigger in that specific arena. And for some people, the big budget western blockbuster is all that matters or comprises something like 90% of their game time, so the enormous number of indie games or Chinese MMOs or casual browser games are essentially invisible to them.
From their perspective, consoles really are bigger, as long as all the stuff they don't personally care about doesn't exist. But first you have to pin people down so they realize they are creating a very specific frame of reference.
Steam Machine will solve all. I think people are forgetting you'll be able to build your own steam machine
The word home doesn't even show up in your post. Thats the only thing plain. I defined consoles as console products released by console manufacturers. Not seeing where the disconnect is??
If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the numbers on your side, pound the numbers; if you have neither the facts nor the numbers, reframe the argument so as to make it appear as though your new argument was your original argument all along.
The word home doesn't even show up in your post. Thats the only thing plain. I defined consoles as console products released by console manufacturers. Not seeing where the disconnect is??
Please, don't be obtuse. This doesn't even address DLMN8R's post, which I suppose you are conceding by omission, and which was the premise for this entire discussion.
Help me out here, what are you alluding to?
I can say the same thing to you. And this whole argument addresses his point.
It does not, unfortunately. You're simply wrong.
What platform is larger than the PC? Be specific, please.
Consoles? The same ones that I have specified and even brought numbers to justify?
No, that is not specific. I asked you to be specific. What, specifically, do you mean by "consoles?" Which platforms are you combining to reach this conclusion?
I defined consoles as console products released by console manufacturers. Not seeing where the disconnect is??
Consoles? The same ones that I have specified and even brought numbers to justify?
idk, ps3 needs updates quite often... or at the very least psn store does.
not entirely sure why i always needa go to the store first to get my preorder dlc. why not let me do it in game?
pc gaming is great for 1 thing. i can buy a game off steam at work, and have it dl on my home pc right away. by the time i'm home i can play it. Is this promised for next gen?
Again...
Again...
The things you identify are problems and should be fixed, but I think you are maybe overstating their prevalence based on one or two bad experiences. Case in point:
Arkham City is a relatively poor GFWL port hastily patched to remove GFWL. That it has hardware or software compatibility issues on a go-forward basis is not that surprising. It's a bummer. It's a problem. But it's not the average case.
Are you trolling or can't you read? Serious question. Because "proof" has been posted a few times now. Or are you serious in that you want every form of console bundled, handheld included, together in a cage match against PC?
yes, at least Sony App has promised this. Think you need PS+ for it and I reckon Microsoft will have similar feature.
Okay, this is a tautology, so I will help you be more specific.. You are defining:
PS3
PSP
PSVita
DS
3DS
Wii
Wii U
360
As a single platform? I don't believe any reasonable person would suggest this qualifies as a "platform" in any meaningful sense. I mean, you might be able to get away with PS3/360 as a unified platform. Maybe.
But only an ideologically driven person would remotely suggest that such disparate platforms could reasonably be unified in to one whole: in fact, I'd argue the only reason anyone would do so is to try and win an argument they are desperately losing.
Because PC is this singular, unified classification of gaming machine with zero room for inference?
And I'd argue that the only reason someone would be as painfully obtuse is to save face in an argument that they lost..
Because PC is this singular, unified classification of gaming machine with zero room for inference?
PC gaming is like using a VCR. Sometimes they work right but a lot of times you end up fooling around with it so much it saps all the enjoyment out of what you're gonna do.
Console gaming is like a PVR, way more convenient and reliable.
You wanna point me towards those handheld gaming PCs?
Because PC is this singular, unified classification of gaming machine with zero room for inference?
And I'd argue that the only reason someone would be as painfully obtuse is to save face in an argument that they lost..
Because PC is this singular, unified classification of gaming machine with zero room for inference?
And I'd argue that the only reason someone would be as painfully obtuse is to save face in an argument that they lost..
not time consuming, compact, affordable
not time consuming, compact, affordable
Yep.This is amazing to watch
Then how is your post relevant to the thread topic?
If you wana have a go at bad unfinished lazy ports and games then i'll be happy to grab a torch and join you in a thread about that.
You posted these arguments so I assumed you were talking about how they make pc less attractive compared to console gaming.
Sorry if I misunderstood you.
You wanna point me towards those handheld gaming PCs?
Well Android and iOS and in a more concrete extension Windows Phone -.-
stand down king pyrrhus, iamshadowlark has earned your crown.
Windows? What about the dozens of configurations of hardware that encompass "PC"? What about laptops which are A)portable and B)the most common form of PC sold.At this point its all for the sake of argument. PC is by and large a single software platform, Windows (I hope that will change but let's not kid ourselves about what this is).
It has more revenue than any console. Or even all the consoles.
Now, once you combine every single gaming platform that isn't a phone or tablet (which, by the logic of including handhelds, means personal multifunction devices like those should go to PC numbers, but we'll ignore that for now) you get a sizable increase over total PC gaming dollars.
So what are we left with? PC gaming is still ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ENORMOUS.
Case closed.
Windows? What about the dozens of configurations of hardware that encompass "PC"? What about laptops which are A)portable and B)the most common form of PC sold.
When you try to combine a platform as vast as PC into a singular catch-all term, you imply that you want to discuss said platform in the macrosense. And its only reasonable to talk about consoles in the macro sense. The fact that Opiate and whoever else is hanging their head on such a semantical and superficial definition leads me to believe the actual discussion point is shallow.
Consoles? The same ones that I have specified and even brought numbers to justify?
Your argument simply does not stand up to reason. As stated, you're obviously wrong and are flailing by combining PS3+PSVita+PSP+DS+3DS+Wii+Wii U + 360 in to a single "platform," as if that has any real substantive meaning.
Almost none of these platforms can play the games of another platform. Most have hugely disparate libraries (e.g. DS and PS3, Wii and 360) with hugely different input methods.
By any rational definition, this is only a "platform" if you are desperate to uphold a position in an argument.
Windows? What about the dozens of configurations of hardware that encompass "PC"? What about laptops which are A)portable and B)the most common form of PC sold.
When you try to combine a platform as vast as PC into a singular catch-all term, you imply that you want to discuss said platform in the macrosense. And its only reasonable to talk about consoles in the macro sense. The fact that Opiate and whoever else is hanging their head on such a semantical and superficial definition leads me to believe the actual discussion point is shallow.
animlboogy said:LEMME BE SERIOUS FOR A SEC
Except that in those revenue graphs Android and iOS devices are separate categories, not part of the PC or Grand Console Platform.
http://www.newzoo.com/infographics/global-games-market-report-infographics/
he people who do look down on console gamers who don't want to deal with the issues says more about the person looking down, than the person who just plays on a console. .
LEMME BE SERIOUS FOR A SEC
For all the talk of conveniences in this thread... I can play 90% of the consoles there on a midrange PC from four years ago. Using real discs and carts with some cheap USB hardware assistance. As well as all the portables not pictured, although I must admit I've never tried emulating Lynx games.
So what's convenience? Setting up a monolith like that? Or spending a few hours configuring a nice frontend to launch all of those games from one PC?
I'm saying this as a person who used to maintain a monolith like that. I don't drop good games from other eras. So it was either config a PC to play those games on, or not play them at all.
To me, that's convenience. But I'm not the type to just play the latest thing. I'm on MAME, I'm playing old DOS games, I'm enjoying Ultima VII like its brand new. I'm playing PS2 games, NES games, Wii games... And yes, I'm playing console ports like Deus Ex: HR and Sleeping Dogs.
You missed my last point. Which is, outside of proving that you're right -- which you are -- that platforms as disparate as 3DS and PS3 are larger than PC when combined, in the end it means very little. Even without combining personal Computing devices as a whole like you have with every gaming device under the sun (if different platforms can combine, iPhones are more like PCs than consoles), PC is bigger for gaming than any of them individually, and these are all games running on Windows, games that have forwards and backwards compatibility with each other...
So what's your point? If you mention GTA5 I will leap out of a very tall building.