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New Xbox One Rumors: PS4 PSN > XBL, snap crashes games, ES RAM life long bottleneck
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GTA Online of course. Even if the technical issues may be worse, people aren't spending $500 for GTA online. It will always leave a smaller mark as time goes by.
This, I agree with, for the time being. Though Bish hasn't yet clarified what he meant when he referred to CBOAT's PM. Until then I'd reserve judgment on how bad the situation is for the long term.
NullPointer
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Just trying to get a sense of scale.
But then again I am expecting both consoles to have problem launches. Expecting the Xbox to have issues at launch just seems like common sense at this point with all the leaks and subtle head shakes and the daily toxic drippings. But Sony also has a lot to prove here, and it looks like their launch audience is going to be pretty sizable, along with their game downloads. They're both going to get hammered, certainly, and issues will arise.
Not that the two will be equally screwed. I just think for my own sake, its best to expect bad mojo for the first week or two.
Well, people lost a lot of progress, money, etc. People couldn't connect, couldn't get past the first few minutes, crashed back to single player, stalled, the works.
If XBox Live is similar to that on day one than all of these warnings will have been understated imho.
But if not, it just seems like any other major launch: Expect turbulence.
Jdnathan11
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I don't belied dis shit!
Troll candy do not make u dandy!
Next gen I'm switched to psn after a decade + on xbl so we shall see here real soon (;
Troll candy do not make u dandy!
Next gen I'm switched to psn after a decade + on xbl so we shall see here real soon (;
Just say you don't want to believe anymore bad news about the Xbox One.
Bluekaveli
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I always read these things in John Cena's voice.
Do It.
No but seriously , if you like the games the xbox one offers buy it. Most of this stuff will be ironed out by launch
Well if you want to ignore all the other insiders yeah.
batigolalone
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Any summary up in here? Just got home from work and spot this ass storm.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
No, FUD was when MS warriors assured us that Sony's DRM would be just as bad.
Pseudo judo
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Wha?? No. Mainstream media isn't even picking this story up.
xaosslug
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i'm not saying he's lying, but it reads like he's trying to 'soften' the blow, and lumping the PS4 in there (which seems to have become some sort of renewed running theme...) isn't very promising.
i mean yes, we are hearing that PS4 has some negligible issues (the type you usually see in the run-up to a major launch), but Xbone is sounding like a complete clusterfuck beyond compare.
Living in denial.
HigherLevel
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I feel like this is likely the case. I think Mattrick is the main reason behind so many problems with the Xbox. All of their problems started way back in 2007 when he took over. I made a thread about it a while detailing all the stuff that took place under his watch. Hopefully Phil Spencer and co. can turn it around with him gone.
SeventhSon
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Threads like this are why I joined NeoGAF. 
I feel honored to be here.
I feel honored to be here.
LollipoPReapeR
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Dat NaCl I see from some people on this thread. Retain some of it or you might become hypotensive....
Which would provide a nice juicy slow pitch to the resident MS PR personnel on this board. If he's wrong CBOAT is a PR goldmine, he gives them a excuse to present their side of something and a platform to refute their critics. If he's wrong, there is literally no reason for a PR rep to avoid publicly countering his claims. All they would have to do is show evidence to the contrary and boom, the CBOAT is sunk. That has yet to occur.
Kazuma Kiryu
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32MB is pretty low in the sense that it tends to be more suited to 720p by all accounts. Of course anything can be done by using main RAM as render targets but the throughput suffers then.
I was personally quite surprised to see it only having 32MB. The Wii U has 32 (35 actually if you count the other little bits although we're not sure how accessible those are) which is fine for that console as it's most definitely a 720 console.
VladDracule
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Why is a tweet like this thread worthy when another tweet saying the PS4 OS is just as, if not more problematic not thread worthy?
Second, the esRAM IS NOT A BOTTLENECK and conceptually CANT BE A BOTTLENECK. It is an ADDITIONAL resource available to devs, it is not required which means it will absolutely NEVER be a bottleneck to the system which makes the second tweet utter bullshit.
The fact is I've heard that the bottleneck is at least 3 different things, which means nobody actually knows what the bottleneck in the system is.
Second, the esRAM IS NOT A BOTTLENECK and conceptually CANT BE A BOTTLENECK. It is an ADDITIONAL resource available to devs, it is not required which means it will absolutely NEVER be a bottleneck to the system which makes the second tweet utter bullshit.
The fact is I've heard that the bottleneck is at least 3 different things, which means nobody actually knows what the bottleneck in the system is.
Well, that didn't take very long Detective-GAF.
You need to understand what's going on before making that claim. Seriously. No no... Seriously.
Without any solid confirmation, there's no story to tell. This is all a job for the "peripheral" media (forums, blogs, twitter) at the moment.
Oh you're still here. Saying the same things. Again.
Uno Venova
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So good.
Hmmm, I agree it wouldn't be a major issue if they are just inconveniences. Those are expected at launch. But the way Morty and Thuway (or that other well regarded journalist who quit eurogamer) have described it, it doesn't sound like minor turbulence. Only time will tell...
Absolutely, 100% agree on the bolded part. Sony only turning on PSN close to release is some scary stuff too. I'm sure they have redundancy and backup servers but Diablo 3 and Simcity launch keep coming to mind when I think of that.
Ascended Saiyan
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Anything else think We should start a church dedicated to CBOAT And worship / pray to him on Sunday ? And offer him sacrifices ?
Good job, Kazuma Kiryu
Factually, objectively, spectacularly wrong.
VladDracule
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Seriously, explain how an additional resource is a bottleneck? Tell me how a dev who chooses not to use the additional memory will still be bottlenecked by it? its that absolute truth, being difficult to use does not mean it will not improve with drivers and low level API support. Stating it as a life long bottleneck, is FUD at its very core
mdtauk
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If they didn't enforce the filling of certain bands, and lightly ranked people on their abilities and work even if it results in a whole team made up of average to great.
Rewards in terms of stock, prizes, or money for those who take ownership of a part of the product, and make it work well.
If employees do fall below a threshold, then examine them closer and find their positive skills. If they do have positive traits, then re-deploy them to parts of the company which would benefit from them. Only fire them if after successive reviews they do not improve, and they have no beneficial skills/abilities you could use elsewhere.
Of course it a bottleneck. You have to use esram or you get terrible performance. the most limiting thing is the very small size. It is the same size as the wiiu..
It not hard to see how this would be a nightmare to program for.....
Keep up the good work dude. You really seem to know your stuff.
That isn't already happening?
LollipoPReapeR
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Because XBL has been lauded for its reliability before. Now when it fails worse than PSN, there will shit to catch as it flies everywhere.
ESRAM is by no means an additional resource. To my limited tech knowledge, the EDRAM in x360 was an additional resource while ESRAM is a bandaid that needs to be used to make up for shitty DDR3 memory. And since it isn't automated like it was in x360 (bad analogy I know) it makes it that much harder to use therefore a bottleneck. Correct me if I'm wrong techGAF.
Again. Dat salt
You could have just said you have no clue about anything CS related. Would have saved so much unnecessary keystrokes.
A bottleneck is any point that can lead to slowdowns in the system. It's clearly there to alleviate the more obvious bottleneck of main memory bandwidth, but it can still be a bottleneck if it turns out that a large amount of time is spent managing it.
For example, if you have to do a excessive amount of swapping of things into and out of ESRAM to point where your ALUs can starve, then that is most certainly a bottleneck.
Foghorn Leghorn
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what in the fuck!?
If they DON'T use it, guess how far behind the games will be then? Who would decide not to use it if they know it's the only route toward getting games that even come close to what the competition is offering?
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