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[sTaTIx]

This.

It's not just that the XB1 version is an over sharpened mess, people who are complaining about the 'blurry' PS4 IQ are noticing the FXAA. It's such a terrible AA solution in terms of what it does to IQ, it's cheap though.

I've used FXAA, in its various incarnations, and it's never been this blurry. But I actually hope you're right, and future PS4 games forego this particular implementation of FXAA, and go with something like SMAA or even MLAA instead--less blur, generally speaking. I was just worried that this slight blur might be due to the PS4's scaler--something not as easily remedied as merely tweaking AA settings.

Fwiw, it seems FXAA on low settings doesn't introduce any noticeable amount of blur (to my eyes).

 

[KOHIPEET]

Well the SP on X1 looks ok for me but the MP. God that's really fucking ugly.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Its funny watching Jackfrags kill "DigitalFoundryUK".

 

[Mahonay]

Pretty pleased with how the PS4 version looks. I was keeping my expectations pretty low though. DICE seemed like they were having a real hard time getting this game on new consoles.

The resolution and jaggies on the XB1 version is a real shame. Some effects that are in the PS4 version seemed to be turned off for XB1 as well. Really makes the Xbox One version look like a pumped up current gen title in some ways.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Jaggies and shimmering really bothered me this gen, especially on my 60" plasma that isn't that great.

 

[Pop]

To the naysayers, please watch this at the highest quality. This map looks so cool.

Looks amazing. Ps4 is a beast.

 

[Caayn]

So the difference is......nothing. For all the wailing and crying and gnashing of teeth....you have to A-B back and forth in order to see tiny changes.

Neogaf seriously underestimates how little people care about this shit.

Haha. Wow. I just. Watching that FPS counter on the Xbone dip to 58fps every once and a while...or sitting just 3fps behind for a fraction of a second...and then to have people in here think that it would even be noticeable in real world gameplay.

Agreed. The difference certainly isn't the night/day like some people portrayed it.

 

[TheOctodad]

The issue here is simple; Tom had a limited amount of time to capture this stuff and was not able to do so in a normal environment. If mistakes were made normally, it would be easy to go back and correct, but with the way this worked, it wasn't really possible.

Why so different? DF uses their own hardware for capturing while DICE were handing out Elgato boxes to everyone else. The DF hardware is actually much more capable but it works differently and, without the experience of working with these new consoles, I can see a situation where settings were dialed in wrong.

JF used what DICE provided and probably didn't even attempt to change any settings which, in this case, turned out to be for the best.

That's helpful. Thank you. Hopefully they could mention that upfront and maybe do a revisit once they can get their hands on them.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

ITS ONLY BLURRY BECAUSE THE VIDEO SETTINGS ARE DIFFERENT. THE XBOX ONE IMAGE IS CRUSHING BLACKS, ADDING NOISE (OVERSHARPENING), AND USING EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO HIDE ITS DEFICIENCIES.

If you cannot understand that,
If you think over sharpening and artificially boosting contrast settings on your television is a good thing - than you should accept your opinion is retrogressive to accuracy.

Thank you. It is hard to understand this when you look at a bunch of compressed static images. It is much easier to understand when seen in motion. It becomes readily apparent that the PS4 is superior in essentially every way...which IS pretty surprising.

DF agrees. JackFrag agrees. IGN agrees. Time to move on.

 

[SparkTR]

I don't want to be a PC elitist, but both are fairly disappointing compared to what I just played.

Jeff Gerstmann seems to agree.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

I love you Guerilla Games. Don't ever leave

 

[Into]

The jaggies on the Xbox One version are noticeable, this comparison showcases that differences are quite significant

1. The cloud is missing in the Xbox version, where did it go?
2. Opponents hand that is holding the wheel has less detail on the Xbox version
3. The guys arm, with the war cameo, has far more detail on the PS4 version


And the Xbox stuff seems to have jacked up contrast, it looks off, whenever the color black appears the game just loses that part, like the guys face. This is something one can tinker with on their TV for all consoles.

But like i said the jaggies is he part that caught me off guard, they are quite noticeable on the Xbox version in some of the videos, i wonder how that all looks on a 50 inch HDTV

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

So the difference is......nothing. For all the wailing and crying and gnashing of teeth....you have to A-B back and forth in order to see tiny changes.

Neogaf seriously underestimates how little people care about this shit.

Haha. Wow. I just. Watching that FPS counter on the Xbone dip to 58fps every once and a while...or sitting just 3fps behind for a fraction of a second...and then to have people in here think that it would even be noticeable in real world gameplay.

Pretty much.

 

[dark10x]

I don't want to be a PC elitist, but both are fairly disappointing compared to what I just played.

Try capturing what you just played and uploading it to Youtube and you will see why you feel that way.

 

[Legendary_Red]

To the naysayers, please watch this at the highest quality. This map looks so cool.

Damn. These look so different from DF its unbelievable.

 

[N7Commander95]

cocaine is one hell of a drug

Dont' partake in it myself, mind relaying your experience?

 

[alr1ght]

Any other sites put up screens with minimal compression? DF quality, but captured correctly.

 

[Mahonay]

I can definitely say that JackFrags has emerged as someone to keep tabs on.

He's fantastic. Been following him on YouTube since around the time he started his channel. He just does really quality work. I always make time to watch any videos he posts up. Some of his pals he plays with are pretty hilarious as well.

 

[GillianSeed79]

ITS ONLY BLURRY BECAUSE THE VIDEO SETTINGS ARE DIFFERENT. THE XBOX ONE IMAGE IS CRUSHING BLACKS, ADDING NOISE (OVERSHARPENING), AND USING EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO HIDE ITS DEFICIENCIES.

If you cannot understand that,
If you think over sharpening and artificially boosting contrast settings on your television is a good thing - than you should accept your opinion is retrogressive to accuracy.

Am I missing something here? This is Digital Foundry, the apparent Gold standard GAF uses to judge which platform to buy a game for. I've used it countless times. I'm dumb. I admit it. I'm an idiot. Does DF actual have copies of PS4 and Xbox One BF5 or are they judging these by videos provided by MS and Sony? Don't they have copies of both games? Why would DF artificially boost contrast and sharpness settings in a side by side? I mean why? Are you saying the crushing blacks and oversharpening are built into the XBO version to hide its faults? I know the DF article says the PS4 is the better version, but one looks better than the other. Why couldn't they just adjust their sharpness and black settings on the PS4 version to mirror the XBO version? How is sharpness or contrast built into game code? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Its Bobby Darin]

I don't understand the hate against xbone. Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game? Xbone even lead with frame rates at one point.

 

[Copenap]

So what do we get out of this so far? No parity, PS4 got the definite edge.
But versions are not perfectly comparable because, and here's the question, someone messed with the settings. Do we know it's not within the BF4 code because surely someone doing a comparison but get the footage from a source with the exact same settings, DF and co can't be that stupid.

 

[dark10x]

Any other sites put up screens with minimal compression? DF quality, but captured correctly.

It's really not even necessary if you understand what you're looking at.

Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game?

It's simple; PS4 version operates at a higher resolution with an almost 50% pixel advantage while delivering a generally more consistent framerate and displaying some effects (such as HBAO) which are completely missing on XB1. It's not something the casual audience will necessarily pick up on but it does highlight a rather significant performance difference that will likely manifest itself down the line.

That would be akin to a 360 game being released at 1280x720 while the PS3 version ran at 853x480 with more slowdown.

 

[Lord Error]

Out of all the videos DF is the only one with aggressive crushed black.

They captured using full range RGB, but the console probably outputs limited range only.

I don't understand the hate against xbone. Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game? Xbone even lead with frame rates at one point.

Switch to 1440p and full screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ycN0re_5A&feature=youtu.be&t=3m34s
Enjoy your eyes getting mangled by jaggies.

 

[SRTtoZ]

I don't understand the hate against xbone. Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game? Xbone even lead with frame rates at one point.

They are never the same. I'm not being an ass either.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

The issue here is simple; Tom had a limited amount of time to capture this stuff and was not able to do so in a normal environment. If mistakes were made normally, it would be easy to go back and correct, but with the way this worked, it wasn't really possible.

Why so different? DF uses their own hardware for capturing while DICE were handing out Elgato boxes to everyone else. The DF hardware is actually much more capable but it works differently and, without the experience of working with these new consoles, I can see a situation where settings were dialed in wrong.

JF used what DICE provided and probably didn't even attempt to change any settings which, in this case, turned out to be for the best.

Thanks for the clarification. Right from the horse's mouth (dark10x works for DF).

 

[xxracerxx]

Am I missing something here? This is Digital Foundry, the apparent Gold standard GAF uses to judge which platform to buy a game for. I've used it countless times. I'm dumb. I admit it. I'm an idiot. Does DF actual have copies of PS4 and Xbox One BF5 or are they judging these by videos provided by MS and Sony? Don't they have copies of both games? Why would DF artificially boost contrast and sharpness settings in a side by side? I mean why? Are you saying the crushing blacks and oversharpening are built into the XBO version to hide its faults? I know the DF article says the PS4 is the better version, but one looks better than the other. Why couldn't they just adjust their sharpness and black settings on the PS4 version to mirror the XBO version? How is sharpness or contrast built into game code? It doesn't make sense.

Read the article it explains how they got the video.

 

[majik13]

XB1 looks blown out. You guys should use the PC as baseline. That's how it's supposed to look

from what I saw using the DF comparison tool, PC and XO looked pretty similar in terms of whites, while PS4 looked washed out. They even mention as such in the article. Though this could be caused by numerous reasons. Could be different and fixed at retail.

 

[Esqueleto]

I've used FXAA, in its various incarnations, and it's never been this blurry. But I actually hope you're right, and future PS4 games forego this particular implementation of FXAA, and go with something like SMAA or even MLAA instead--less blur, generally speaking.

Although it seems FXAA on low settings doesn't introduce any noticeable amount of blur.

It looks extra blurry because it is upscaled from 900p. It looks a lot better than when i played BF3 at 900p though.(was a lot blurrier, especially in notion)

 

[Maninthemirror]

Am I missing something here? This is Digital Foundry, the apparent Gold standard GAF uses to judge which platform to buy a game for. I've used it countless times. I'm dumb. I admit it. I'm an idiot. Does DF actual have copies of PS4 and Xbox One BF5 or are they judging these by videos provided by MS and Sony? Don't they have copies of both games? Why would DF artificially boost contrast and sharpness settings in a side by side? I mean why? Are you saying the crushing blacks and oversharpening are built into the XBO version to hide its faults? I know the DF article says the PS4 is the better version, but one looks better than the other. Why couldn't they just adjust their sharpness and black settings on the PS4 version to mirror the XBO version? How is sharpness or contrast built into game code? It doesn't make sense.

DF reputation has gone down the gutter these last few months. It's not the gold standard it once was

 

[Bishop89]

xbone go home, but hey PS4 here we are at the start of the new gen and we *still* are not 1080p..

this really sucks.

most ps4 games ARE 1080p.

 

[Metfanant]

Agreed. The difference certainly isn't the night/day like some people portrayed it.

except for the like 50% more pixels and higher framerate lol...this really cant be stated enough....

PS4
- higher framerate
- 50%+ more pixels rendered
- better effects
- certain effects that are simply absent from the Xbone version
- better aliasing BY FAR

its doing all of those things while pushing significantly more pixels...thats A LOT of difference...

 

[Loudninja]

Btw polygon tried to make it like the PS4 was the only one crashing when people are having the same issues in the OT.

It gets tiresome.

 

[bishoptl]

have you noticed the strangely over positive / trolling comments by some juniors?

Makes my job easier

Thanks for all the laughs, folks

 

[Chuck Norris]

I don't understand the hate against xbone. Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game? Xbone even lead with frame rates at one point.

$100 more for inferior current gen standard resolution and worse frame rates, and you wonder why people are unhappy with Xbox One?

 

[Meus Renaissance]

I thought the PS4 needed a patch to allow gameplay capture?

 

[Bunta]

Makes my job easier

Thanks for all the laughs, folks

Bish has been watching. *gulp*

Bit off topic, but does anyone know when the COD embargo lifts?

 

[sTaTIx]

Agreed. The difference certainly isn't the night/day like some people portrayed it.

The difference will be even more apparent in motion, when you're playing it firsthand. Those jaggies on small geometry will shimmer and stand out like a motherfucker.

Calling it right now.

I can't believe that Battlefield on Xbone is running at the same resolution as Battlefield on 360, and people don't think it's going to be a jaggy-fest. There is no magical fix inherent to the Xbone hardware for 720p resolution. It's just the plain truth.

 

[Maninthemirror]

One thing which is clearly noticable is the lack of clouds in the x1 version compared to ps4

 

[NullPointer]

So the difference is......nothing. For all the wailing and crying and gnashing of teeth....you have to A-B back and forth in order to see tiny changes.

Neogaf seriously underestimates how little people care about this shit.

Haha that Neogaf guy sounds like a real asshole.

But I'm curious, why should this Neogaf fella give a shit what people besides himself think about the game's look and performance?

 

[RayMaker]

Bigger than any of those really. One has resolution and frame rate inferiority.

You must be joking 30 fps vs 60 is a well bigger difference,

not to mention games like RDR missed foliage and fallout 3 on PS3 had worse jaggies worse textures and worse framrate

This first comparison has shown that the situation does not seem as bad as the 360/PS3 situation.

 

[dark10x]

I thought the PS4 needed a patch to allow gameplay capture?

Of course not. It works like the PS3.

HDCP can easily be defeated with any number of devices. Still, these were captured from devkits.

 

[GYNGA]

Those JackFrags PS4 multiplayer vids are delish.

PS4 MP vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc4i8hARuGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWkgNO2coc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81RJAoZJVEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Objaswg-Rw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG2nyFZdr1k

Looks great IMO

 

[majik13]

To me it looks like it's different textures all together, the rocks aren't at the same places and there are more of them, HD textures kind of. What does the PC version look like in that exact spot? I want that closeup ground texture in my PS4 version, XB1 still has no launch date in my country so PS4 wins by default for me but blurry textures is a bit of a turnoff even if there is a higher res on the whole screen, maybe they can patch it in after launch?

you can use the DF comparison tool, and see all 3 side by side. PC definitely looks much sharper and more detailed than the next gen consoles. But also it seems some textures are just randomized differently across the platforms, but still using mostly the same assets I would imagine.

 

[FuturusX]

One thing which is clearly noticable is the lack of clouds in the x1 version compared to ps4

Oh the irony...

 

[bigboss370]

I really don't understand why black levels, sharpness, RGB, etc need to be explained....PS4 version is looking better regardless of if you understand/know about that stuff or not.

also, anyone have SP PS4 footage that is not a comparison video?

 

[Into]

I don't understand the hate against xbone. Finally we get some footage and they are almost (sometimes clearly) the same, but still xbone gets kicked because of small details that you don't see when you're actually playing the game? Xbone even lead with frame rates at one point.

While this is not the topic for this, ill make it short: You are paying 100$ more for less. You dont see a problem here? Cause most people do, but hey its your money.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

One thing which is clearly noticable is the lack of clouds in the x1 version compared to ps4

The clouds on the X1 version are powered by Xbox Live. You dare question the Power of the Cloud™ ?

 

[bishoptl]

One thing which is clearly noticable is the lack of clouds in the x1 version compared to ps4

Heyoooooooo

 

[Duxxy3]

They captured using full range RGB, but the console probably outputs limited range only.


Switch to 1440p and full screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ycN0re_5A&feature=youtu.be&t=3m34s
Enjoy your eyes getting mangled by jaggies.

I see what he meant by PS4 multiplayer looking better than XB1 single player.

 

[Jay-T]

does the PS4 have a dedicated scaler chip like HANA on the xbox 360, that will upscale everything to 1080p ? or is it done through software ?

Anyone ??