stab in the dark off the cuff feeling is that FP10 is a whole lot smaller then FP32 or 16.
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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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stab in the dark off the cuff feeling is that FP10 is a whole lot smaller then FP32 or 16.
Kibbles
Member
Isn't 360 720p anyway tho?
edit: oh that's right it's got those weird black bars.
brain_stew
Member
The Xbox One version is simply hideous. Adding a crap load of artificial sharpening to a low resolution game is a terrible idea. You're only serving to highlight the abundant aliasing, you're not adding any detail.
It's faking detail. It looks like the sharpening option that was added to Rage.
If it's part of the hardware upscaling process it should be optional. There will probably be games where it looks good and games where it doesn't.
If anyone does prefer the look of the Xbox One's high contrast look, just up the contrast and add some sharpness on your TV set, similar to what the results show here.
Also just noticed that the Xbox One version is missing self shadowing!
Same shot as above with added contrast and sharpness.
Compared to the Xbox One.
IQ differences don't appear to be as apparent in the cut scene comparisons as they do in gameplay.
While everyone is picking up the negative aspect off adding this effect to x1, it occurs to me with ps4 and its better quality, it still needs tweaked, the image is too soft and is clearly a tiny bit blurred in some scenes, I don't know what to think about it tbh but regardless, it can be improved...the casuals see it at first glance
Brad Grenz
Member
The PS4 image is still soft because it's upscaled and doesn't have a gross sharpening filter applied. That will remain the case for any game rendered in a lower than native resolution. It's why upscaled PS3 games always looked blurrier than native 360 games. It's not that there is anything wrong with the PS4 render, that's just how 900p will look on 1080p screens. The best solution would be to render at 1080p, which is what every other PS4 game we know about is doing. In lieu of that, I think the softer look is preferable to a sharpening pass that will just introduce a bunch of artifacts and aliasing, even if it creates the illusion of better detail.
I think thats the point. It can be tweaked to your taste, there are settings to set sharpness and contrast on your TV. However there are none to add the missing pixels, FPS or motion blur.
And to be fair, the X1 might need tweaking as well to reduce the excessive sharpening which highlights the lack of AA even more.
Interficium
Banned
YouTube tops out at 30fps, chief.
Jawbreaker
Member
For those that want the black-crushing, overly-saturated, sharpened look, what I did (and others have done) with this image of the PS4 version can be reproduced on your set. Note that the advantages of the PS4 version are much more visible without the differences in sharpness and color space.
PS4
Xbone
Brad Grenz
Member
Because they added a shapen filter.
EDIT: and keep in mind the Xbox One version only looks sharper in cases of high contrast details, things like foliage and grass are actually much blurrier on it than PS4, because the colors are too similar for the sharpening to work.
Steve McQueen
Member
Yes, but you can download the vids the way they were meant to be seen. Up to 1440 I think. See the Jack F. Vid topic, page 5, to see how it's done. Works great.
Not if you download JackFrags direct feeds.
andromeduck
Member
that's because it's running at 1600x900 with PP AA too IIRC
link please.
gollumsluvslave
Member
All I can says i there are diminishing returns on the differences between console versions of games
Splinter Cell PS2 vs GameCube vs Xbox - now these were differences, and no magnifying glass needed!
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/4494/t222702-which-version-better-pc-vs-xbox-vs-gcn-vs-ps2/
PS4 deffo has the edge on XBone, and always will IMO, thats not even debatable, but the edge (relatively speaking to previous generations) is much smaller, especially to the average person.
The pricing difference is far more relevant.
Splinter Cell PS2 vs GameCube vs Xbox - now these were differences, and no magnifying glass needed!
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/4494/t222702-which-version-better-pc-vs-xbox-vs-gcn-vs-ps2/
PS4 deffo has the edge on XBone, and always will IMO, thats not even debatable, but the edge (relatively speaking to previous generations) is much smaller, especially to the average person.
The pricing difference is far more relevant.
Jesus,
That's a huge difference.
Im sure most people wont even notice unless they were playing it side by side with the PS4 though.
I swear people like to blow things out of perspective. My mate used to laugh at ps3 and 360 comparisons. yeah read dead redemption looked like shit...compared to the 360 version.
but as i didnt have a 360 playing it next to me on my ps3 it looked amazing anyway.
in motion you wont even notice any of that shit. As long as the framerate holds up and it doesn't tear i dont see the problem.
not even tearing is an issue for me though. Bioshock infinite is a much better experience when you turn vsync off on ps3. even though it tears like a bitch.
Popup
Member
If they wanted to, the devs could make the PS4 version look exactly like the Xbox One but cannot make theXbox One look like the PS4. Considering that the PC version is the developers vision, i think the PS4 is the closest to that vision.
You can adust your tv and sit closer if you want to emulate the Xbox settings i suppose.
You can adust your tv and sit closer if you want to emulate the Xbox settings i suppose.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
From IGN's MP vid
good job DF!
Is that how it actually looks in the video?
The more screenshots I see, the more I see a a reason for a gamma-aware lossless screenshot format.
There's a lot of problems with any such case of course, but in any case, we'd expect a 2.2 gamma screenshot to be released. As it is, all different platforms of screenshots so far look different on my 3 monitors, and it really saddens me. Gives me quite the headache, in fact.
There's a lot of problems with any such case of course, but in any case, we'd expect a 2.2 gamma screenshot to be released. As it is, all different platforms of screenshots so far look different on my 3 monitors, and it really saddens me. Gives me quite the headache, in fact.
Jack Frags AFAIK was using the DICE supplied Elgato recorder which only record at 30FPS.
As much as it might be blasphemy to say this, the XB! and PS4 versions seem like shitty ports on par with first year madden appearances on a new hardware cycle. Just watching the PS3 footage look pretty much the same says it all. Dice has made an engine that scales incredibly well, but there's no doubt that these ports aren't even showing off a fraction of what they're both capable of and the engine and dev team had to go through hell with the unfinished hardware and constantly changing specs. We have much better looking software on both already.
Honestly this probably won't be the best title to make the comparison with, and the gap is only going to get bigger. Even titles like Killzone ShadowFall aren't using GPGPU at this point and the PS4 has way more headroom to me maximized.
Kibbles
Member
He didn't.
https://twitter.com/jackfrags/status/395064370679382016
edit: ah looks like that's 30fps at 1080p
Reckless Onion
Member
Can someone sum this thread up in a few sentences please? I'd like to know what's going on but I'm on my phone at work. Thanks
I tend to agree. Framerate first imo, but PS4 is ahead there too
Jaggies/low resolution I notice in motion.
PS3 looks pretty impressive there, damn
That does look good, but I'm wondering how the framerate holds up with the actual release. It doesn't look like the maps are all the way filled with 64 players with Commanders on both teams. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
PdotMichael
Banned
How? The PS4 is also significantly cheaper than the One...
Not wanting the PS4 version only means you don't care about the better looking and better running version on a cheaper plattform. That's not what dimishing return means.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
It's incredible how those DF shots have misinformed a lot of people or likely, a lot of people are being deliberately ignorant about the visuals.
The almost unanimous consensus is that the PS4 version looks and plays better from those at the review event, from Jack Frags and other journalists he talked to, to CVG and Eurogamer themselves (or at least the PS4 MP looks better than XB1's SP, which is even more damning).
If this is an example of deliberate prevarication to hide limitations with the XB1 version, it has been quite successful. Those crushed-black, high-contrast shots shouldn't be the story. It should be how its possible for one version to be 900p and better effects and still run at a higher framerate. That is a crazy gap in performance.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I don't know if it's been mentioned but Jackfrags posted a new video on his next gen impressions. He says in his opinion that the PS4 MP looks better than the X1 SP. He said other journalists were agreeing with him although he didn't specify anyone. Pretty much a confirmation of the tweet he replied to a few days ago
If the xbox was the one that was $100 cheaper, then it'd be easy to accept the differences - almost logical
if the xbox and PS4 were the same price, you might raise an eyebrow butbshrug and move on
but the xbox is $100 more. Logic would suggest it should be better. Personally that would amplify the impact of any discrepancy between the two.
if the xbox and PS4 were the same price, you might raise an eyebrow butbshrug and move on
but the xbox is $100 more. Logic would suggest it should be better. Personally that would amplify the impact of any discrepancy between the two.
Sure looked like 60fps to me.
edit: May have been my new tv which is 100Hz messing with me. Normally game on my old bravia which is 50hz I think.
Always-honest
Banned
This. I secretly change peoples' tv settings. They won't notice. But i don't want to watch it.
I tend to agree. Framerate first imo, but PS4 is ahead there too
Jaggies/low resolution I notice in motion.
PS3 looks pretty impressive there, damn
Agreed I was quite surprised how well the PS3 held up..is it deffo the PS3 version?
Darkwaknight
Banned
I Knew this from the Screen shots he posted prior to releasing the videos, I have this device and I could tell from the File types/names it was the Avermedia Portable as I have it, it is a superb device and I will use it on my DF videos when I post them.
Not showing off but this is my post a few days ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87815512&highlight=#post87815512
gollumsluvslave
Member
Corrected and highlighted for intent, even though I thought contextually it was obvious:-
Metalmurphy
Member
There is drops in the PS4 version as well. And the XOne version manages to keep 60FPS as well - not 30, admittedly not as well as the PS4. But nothing too detrimental from what I saw.
SniperHunter
Banned
I saw thw Xbone video on my hdtv yesterday and it looks ugly. Comparing it to the on stage e3 demo, it was missing the reflections, the resolution reduction was clearly evident. There was big drop in quality compared to the e3 demo
I can't believe this system can't run the game on ultra in 720p....
I can't believe this system can't run the game on ultra in 720p....
His comment was hilarious:
Guess he missed the framerate analyses and the lack of AO. But, well, it's quite easy to guess overall, especially for one of them since you can tell from the HUD, smartass.
dano1
A Sheep
I also watched that video. Hard to believe that would be true. But if it is I'm going to be very happy on the 15th!!
Dude its pushing 50% or so more pixels at 900p than xboxone is pushing at 720p that different to any same res console face off.
SniperHunter
Banned
I found it easy to believe.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
How is that not the case already? =p
anonymous_abc
Member
I don't think so, then again with most games being native 1080p I see no reason for a scaler.