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[RSTEIN]

Nvidia are so salty, haha. We all know that they make no money, and their share price is in the toilet.

And MS and Sony are making sooooo much money with their gaming efforts, right? (hint: they're not)

Oh, and AMD makes a lot more than an Nvidia and their share price has done better, right? (hint: they make less and their share price has done worse)

I don't get the point you're trying to make.

 

[RK9039]

And MS and Sony are making sooooo much money with their gaming efforts, right? (hint: they're not)

Oh, and AMD makes a lot more than an Nvidia and their share price has done better, right? (hint: they make less and their share price has done worse)

I don't get the point you're trying to make.

He was joking.

 

[Durante]

And MS and Sony are making sooooo much money with their gaming efforts, right? (hint: they're not)

Oh, and AMD makes a lot more than an Nvidia and their share price has done better, right? (hint: they make less and their share price has done worse)

I don't get the point you're trying to make.

His point is that he was being sarcastic. Nvidia are in a great financial position compared to many companies often discussed here on GAF.

 

[Marcel]

They're not free if you lose them the minute you don't renew your subscription.

PS+ is comparable to Netflix (buying into a rotating library of digital content you don't really own). And same with Netflix, you don't pay the bill, you don't get the content.

 

[RSTEIN]

Sarcasm detector failed.

Rebooting now.

 

[Dario ff]

Lol what? Pc games don't use encryption and propriety data formats? PC games don't utilize Draconian style DRM systems(uplay anyone)?

Consoles tend to use encryption and even custom partition formats (E.g. Wii U) from an OS level for basic management of everything. You can't modify said contents either without modding the hardware or using an exploit (See the Stage Editor crash in Brawl). For example, there's no way to even dump files from Wii U discs at the moment until it's reverse engineered. This kind of reverse engineering will likely need a hardware mod.

On PC, this is left to the developer, and Windows on its own doesn't really prevent you from modifying said files. At most they'll just encrypt the assets in a data file, but that can be reverse engineered without modifying the PC hardware at all. There's a big difference between hardware-level locks and software-level locks.

 

[alexandros]

PS4 and Xbox One actually have third party support though.

I don't think the problem with the WiiU is the lack of third party support. People just don't care about it.

We've gone through this before, but it's still the most cost-friendly way into gaming.

Is it? In the age of $499 Steam Machines with free online and Steam sales, is it really?

 

[iamshadowlark]

This is like a fisherman saying people should eat fish because it's healthy. It doesn't matter if it's true, you know it's not because they care for you health that they're saying it...

Naw man Nvidia is just spreading the good word for the people.

 

[Sirolf]

In my opinion, traditional console gaming has served its historical purpose and now it's time for it to die off naturally. In the past, when PC technology was expensive and way too difficult to configure properly, console gaming offered a cheap and easy way into gaming for the masses. Now, with both Sony and Microsoft packaging PC components in a box and pretending like they're selling something unique, it is more clear than ever that the old way of doing things is obsolete.

Microsoft and Sony want everyone to think that PC gaming is this scary, daunting thing that will bite your head off if you look at it the wrong way. A lot of people have discovered over the past few years that this isn't true and, hopefully, Steam Machines will manage to convince even more that freedom of choice and options is never a bad thing. In my mind PC is without a shadow of a doubt the way to go for the whole gaming industry.

Elitism at its finest.
The true heir of Borys !!

 

[prag16]

This thread will be completely useless. The same general pattern as the last 5.

Nvidia: True statement.
GAF: salt salt - tired PC/console bickering - salt salt

Pretty much.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It seems to me like someone is telling me to buy a yacht. A yacht with rocket boosters that can fly.

lol

 

[noconstant]

Can't you buy a PC today that grossly outperforms any console for roughly the price of a PS4 and 6-8 years of PS+, which is basically required to get the most out of your console experience?

NO, I cant. The PS4 is 400, and according to most of the respected sites, it can run Battlefield 4 really close to a Maxed out PC. You can't build a PC to play battlefield maxed out for 400. You are going to need 1500 at least.

And about the PS+, it gives much more than just online play, It's been so good (on ps3) that is silly to be a ps3 owner and not have PS+.

 

[wildfire]

These threads just tell me confirm my suspicions that we will have people shitting up Steambox threads day 1.

 

[scandisk_]

With the PS4 breaking launch records left and right (and the xbone as well to some degree) AMD sure is one happy guy.

 

[Durante]

These threads just tell me confirm my suspicions that we will have people shitting up Steambox threads day 1.

I do hope those will be afforded the same protection as any other OT.

 

[manfestival]

do they make these sort of releases at the beginning of every generation? Honestly, ive been pc(main)/console gaming since I was like 11

 

[Oppo]

I like this loop:

A: I want to play Assassins Creed 4, I guess I'll buy a console!

B: moron. PC will be superior.

A: oh ok. I bought a PC and AC4, but it won't run!

B: moron. You bought an Ubisoft game. Everyone knows uPlay sucks

I like that nVidia is staying on the PC side and AMD is now more in the console side. Curious to see how it plays out bit I think it'll be better for both of them this gen. More focus.

 

[RooMHM]

NO, I cant. The PS4 is 400, and according to most of the respected sites, it can run Battlefield 4 really close to a Maxed out PC. You can't build a PC to play battlefield maxed out for 400. You are going to need 1500 at least.

Wow... Can t be more wrong.

 

[Dahaka]

Apple went x86 years ago, it's no sign of anything, on the contrary: they are stronger than ever and nobody dares to say: b-b-b-b-ut it's a PC!

 

[diamount]

Hey guise, plz by nvidia shield

 

[iamshadowlark]

Consoles tend to use encryption and even custom partition formats (E.g. Wii U) from an OS level for basic management of everything[/B]. You can't modify said contents either without modding the hardware or using an exploit (See the Stage Editor crash in Brawl). For example, there's no way to even dump files from Wii U discs at the moment until it's reverse engineered.

On PC, this is left to the developer, and Windows doesn't prevent you from modifying said files. At most they'll just encrypt the assets in a data file, but that can be reverse engineered without modifying the PC hardware at all. There's a big difference between hardware-level locks and software-level locks.

Yes because consoles don't run full fledged general operating systems. It makes alot of sense to enact protective measures in the OS and hardware level. Mods have been viable for consoles for a while now but there is little reason to even go that route and you're obviously not getting free roam over system files. It really doesn't change anything I said though. Plenty of publishers enact various degrees of actual DRM on their PC products that vary from stupid and annoying to downright draconian.

 

[artist]

You guys are obviously right. What Nvidia says isn't antagonizing. 'Ultimate gaming system' and 'far superior. Nope, definitely just 'telling da truf'. We should all go buy Shields. Can Nvidia do any wrong to you?

Are you surprised? It's Durante.

 

[RK9039]

NO, I cant. The PS4 is 400, and according to most of the respected sites, it can run Battlefield 4 really close to a Maxed out PC. You can't build a PC to play battlefield maxed out for 400. You are going to need 1500 at least.

And about the PS+, it gives much more than just online play, It's been so good (on ps3) that is silly to be a ps3 owner and not have PS+.

Battlefield 4 on PS4 isn't even 1080p?

I don't have PSN+ because I don't want to pay2play for online gaming.

 

[Durante]

Yes because consoles don't run full fledged general operating systems. It makes alot of sense to enact protective measures in the OS and hardware level. It really doesn't change anything I said though. Plenty of publishers enact various degrees of actual DRM on their PC products that vary from stupid and annoying to downright draconian.

You can also get (an increasing amount of) completely DRM-free games on PC, something which is impossible on a console.

And for those titles which are DRM-infested, it is generally far easier to defeat said DRM on PC than it is on consoles, simply because it's a software-only approach.

 

[alexandros]

I do hope those will be afforded the same protection as any other OT.

I don't think it will be necessary. As Gabe Newell said:

The internet is super smart. If you do something that is cool, that's actually worth people's time, then they'll adopt it. If you do something that's not cool and sucks, you can spend as many marketing dollars as you want, [they] just won't.

 

[Dario ff]

Yes because consoles don't run full fledged general operating systems. It makes alot of sense to enact protective measures in the OS and hardware level. It really doesn't change anything I said though. Plenty of publishers enact various degrees of actual DRM on their PC products that vary from stupid and annoying to downright draconian.

Oh it doesn't change what you said, I just think Durante was driving more to the fact that the DRM is enforced by the hardware itself, unlike PC hardware. The fact that a big chunk of the publishers choose the DRM is another story, just as there's other publishers sucessfully using DRM-free methods. EDIT: And as pointed above, it's kinda clear that the DRM doesn't work anyway, as it can be defeated easily.

 

[Totobeni]

I appreciate your honesty. "I don't like them because they belittle my favorite company" is a lot more honest than trying to come up with bogus arguments that haven't been true for years.
l.

yeah that post was something.

With the PS4 breaking launch records left and right (and the xbone as well to some degree) AMD sure is one happy guy.

and what this have to do with anything?

Are you surprised? It's Durante.

Nvidia statement that Durante said it's true is on about PC in general. not about their cards.

but yeah I noticed that you have have a bone to pick with Durante in almost all PC threads... keep going I guess.

 

[UnObtainium17]

Truth.com

Along with salt.net

lol nvidia will soon be straight up begging to us in the near future.

 

[Ghost Cell]

The insecurity is delicious.

 

[Morzak]

I'm an enthusiast RPG gamer. Consider the table above.

You can add Strategy, Simulation and Adventure enthusiast to the list....... I love when only the console exclusives get mentioned as if the PC doesn't have it's exclusives.

Honestly I don't like Nvidias marketing but so what, they aren't talking shit their points are valid. It's not like the console manufacturers aren't telling you to buy their stuff.... And funny enough if they fire shots at their competition this is often quite well received.

 

[alexandros]

The insecurity is delicious.

Were Sony insecure when they talked about their "supercharged" PC architecture?

 

[googleplex]

In my opinion, traditional console gaming has served its historical purpose and now it's time for it to die off naturally. In the past, when PC technology was expensive and way too difficult to configure properly, console gaming offered a cheap and easy way into gaming for the masses. Now, with both Sony and Microsoft packaging PC components in a box and pretending like they're selling something unique, it is more clear than ever that the old way of doing things is obsolete.

Microsoft and Sony want everyone to think that PC gaming is this scary, daunting thing that will bite your head off if you look at it the wrong way. A lot of people have discovered over the past few years that this isn't true and, hopefully, Steam Machines will manage to convince even more that freedom of choice and options is never a bad thing. In my mind PC is without a shadow of a doubt the way to go for the whole gaming industry.

This was one of the most sickening displays of fan elitism I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

This post was shameful.

 

[iamshadowlark]

You can also get (an increasing amount of) completely DRM-free games on PC, something which is impossible on a console.

And for those titles which are DRM-infested, it is generally far easier to defeat said DRM on PC than it is on consoles, simply because it's a software-only approach.

There's copy protective measures in most every commercial PC game. What are you defining as DRM?

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I'm going to buy the R9 290 eventually.

But without a PS4 I won't be able to play:

Killzone, inFamous, The Order, DriveClub, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Geurillas new IP, Quantic Dream's new IP, Sony Santa Monica's new IP, The Last Guardian?, and so much more.

 

[Derrick01]

Much like PC/PS3 was the best scenario last gen I feel like PC/PS4 will be the way to go this gen too. You get the best of both worlds.

 

[DeadByDawn]

The insecurity is delicious.

It really is. The console gamers in this and other PC threads have been coming off as very insecure and intimidated by PC gaming, especially with the advent of Steam Machines on the horizon.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Dat salt is still palpable.

 

[Zen]

PC is a great supplementary platform but I could never cut out consoles. You miss out on so much, and 99% of all the great and unique PC content do not require Nvidia's latest cards full stop. You don't need a 'gaming pc' for most of the unique content on the platform.
Also, damn Nvidia, dat salt.

It really is. The console gamers in this and other PC threads have been coming off as very insecure and intimidated by PC gaming, especially with the advent of Steam Machines on the horizon.

Other way around usually.

 

[dmr87]

We know, PC/PS4/WIi U.

 

[iamshadowlark]

It really is. The console gamers in this and other PC threads have been coming off as very insecure and intimidated by PC gaming, especially with the advent of Steam Machines on the horizon.

LMAO what?

 

[alexandros]

This was one of the most sickening displays of fan elitism I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

This post was shameful.

Do you guys tag everything as elitism regardless of content? There's nothing elitist about it.

 

[Lautaro]

You can add Strategy, Simulation and Adventure enthusiast to the list....... I love when only the console exclusives get mentioned as if the PC doesn't have it's exclusives.

Specially when consoles exclusives these days suck ass.

 

[RooMHM]

The insecurity is delicious.

It is. It s laughable how console owners feel offended by truthful comment from participating insiders.

 

[Durante]

There's copy protective measures in most every commercial PC game. What are you defining as DRM?

DRM is any technical measure which prevents you from doing whatever you want with the program and associated data. The better it works the worse it is.

An increasing number of modern -- particularly independent or crowdsourced -- games are available DRM free on PC. It's not just small indie games either, e.g. Dragon Commander is DRM free.

 

[Painraze]

for fucks sake stop using that stupid "durr durr salt" please

 

[Ghost Cell]

It really is. The console gamers in this and other PC threads have been coming off as very insecure and intimidated by PC gaming, especially with the advent of Steam Machines on the horizon.

LOL I meant the other way around.

 

[Senor Kami]

Dat reality. They aren't in any consoles, so consoles suck. Isn't this the same company that put out the Titan for like $1000 and then AMD put out a card almost as powerful for like $400? They're clowns confirmed.

 

[kinggroin]

This was one of the most sickening displays of fan elitism I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

This post was shameful.

Ha, what?? Did you actually digest what was said. The poster fairly spot on.

 

[artist]

I'm going to buy the R9 290 eventually.

But without a PS4 I won't be able to play:

Killzone, inFamous, The Order, DriveClub, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Geurillas new IP, Quantic Dream's new IP, Sony Santa Monica's new IP, The Last Guardian?, and so much more.

Why would you limit yourself to AMD?

Please buy a 780 GTX TI ULTRA TITANIUM

Also please buy Nvidia Shield.

 

[Marcel]

It really is. The console gamers in this and other PC threads have been coming off as very insecure and intimidated by PC gaming, especially with the advent of Steam Machines on the horizon.

I own both PC and consoles. No insecurity here. Some folks simply don't prefer using a PC despite all the AV nerd shit you can do on it and that's okay. As stated on another page, it's also okay to simply want to put the game in your console and play.