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Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1; PC is the way to go

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coldfoot

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Saty said:
Naughty Dog develops for PS3 solely because they are owned by the company that sells that console - it's not ND's choice.
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Still a valid reason to argue against PC's. There is no one company that makes PC's, closest we get are GPU manufacturers or MS trying to push a new version of Windows, and therefore AAA exclusives like Uncharted aren't developed for PC's.
 
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Doel

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godelsmetric said:
WiiU doesn't use a GCN architecture GPU. And nor do a lot of PCs.

And the API is open in the sense that if nVidia adopted AMD's architecture, and hence basically threw the entire notion of competition in the GPU industry out of the window, they could also use it. Sounds great!
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So it's AMD's fault that Nvidia prefers to use closed systems while AMD has a history of open technology? Got it.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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My local best buy (yes a terrible place to normally pick up hardware) had r9 270x for 130 bucks (before discount like 180-190).

Dunno why people are comparing the ps4 to a 780ti (which clearly blows the ps4's gpu away). You don't need a 780ti.
 
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Pixels

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LOL! In other words, uh shit nextgen consoles are in high demand and AMD owns that entire market. To the PR mobile!
 
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Piggus

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coldfoot said:
Still a valid reason to argue against PC's. There is no one company that makes PC's, closest we get are GPU manufacturers or MS trying to push a new version of Windows, and therefore AAA exclusives like Uncharted aren't developed for PC's.
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It's a valid reason to argue that you should own a console AND a PC. There isn't much of an argument against PC gaming in general. They're not nearly as expensive as some people would like to believe, they can be hooked up to a TV like a console for "comfy couch" gaming, and the "waaaaaa drivers and settings are hard" arguments are just lol-worthy.


The PC elitist who think owning a console is for peasants and the console-only people who think PC gaming is for rich nerds are both equally pathetic.
 
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Mass Effect

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Naminator said:
Yeah I know, but that was not really the point that I was making.
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Isn't it though? You're saying that Nvidia is constantly being singled-out for being salty when they talk about their products. And I'm saying that, while yes, they are getting undeserved antagonism, they aren't the only ones getting heat.

MS and, to a lesser extent, Nintendo are facing the same treatment for the most part. Though I think it's a bit more deserved on their parts given some of the silly things they've said.
 
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BlackGoku03

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I still play games on PC and Steam but it's new console season. I'm all about the new experience and you can't have the same streamlined experience and fast installs on the PC right now.

So, I haven't forgot about you, PC. I'll be back later.
 
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Oracle Dragon

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Ok Nvidia/GAF I'll bite. I have a 560Ti. I want to spend $250 CAD this December on something new. What will blow my socks off? My last upgrade was 8800GT --> 560Ti for about that price.
 
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InPlosion

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Piggus said:
The PC elitist who think owning a console is for peasants and the console-only people who think PC gaming is for rich nerds are both equally pathetic.
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What about me then?

I actually think the contrary: going console only is for rich people.
Titles are too expensive, you have to provide a subscription to play multiplayer etc..

Come on, paying 70 euros for ONE game? (not even a collector's edition or anything like that).
That's what I call "I have so much money I don't even know what to do with it"!

For me, having the opportunity to use the very same system I already need to own (for work/study) to play games, at a very competitive price even, is definitely a plus.

I cannot justify buying a system entirely dedicated to playing games and nothing else anymore...

My argument is quite similar to the psvita dilemma: Why do I have to buy this dedicated thing, while my phone/phablet works just aswell and it is cheaper to maintain??
 
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Atomski

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wildfire said:
It definitely is one of those memes that makes the person saying it look dumb even when they are using the term properly.
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Its redonk though, Nividia threads are always derailed by these posts when in reality they are doing better than AMD with their console deal. There is no salt.. just console fanboy shit.
 
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Seanspeed

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BlackGoku03 said:
I still play games on PC and Steam but it's new console season. I'm all about the new experience and you can't have the same streamlined experience and fast installs on the PC right now.
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Haha, what?

This is why PC gaming needs more people talking about it. So many completely ignorant things get spread around about what its like. It doesn't get more streamlined than something like Steam. And your 'install' times are only ever as slow as your download speeds.
 
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Monty Mole

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In other news,

Sony: Gamers should not limit their options to XB1/PC; PS4 is the way to go
Microsoft: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4; XB1/PC is the way to go
Nintendo: Hellooooooooooooo!!!!??? We have the GOTY.
 
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alexandros

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Seanspeed said:
Haha, what?

This is why PC gaming needs more people talking about it. So many completely ignorant things get spread around about what its like. It doesn't get more streamlined than something like Steam. And your 'install' times are only ever as slow as your download speeds.
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Indeed. Steam has done an excellent job in streamlining the more cumbersome parts of gaming. It's no coincidence that Microsoft were desperately (and hilariously) trying to compare their DRMageddon to Steam.
 
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Derekloffin

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Seanspeed said:
Haha, what?

This is why PC gaming needs more people talking about it. So many completely ignorant things get spread around about what its like. It doesn't get more streamlined than something like Steam. And your 'install' times are only ever as slow as your download speeds.
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Steam is good, but it can't really claim to be great. You have too many competing systems that mess up the 'stream lining' of it. It's not Valve's fault, it is all these devs and pubs demanding their own networks, their own logins and such that mess it up. Never mind the little idiosyncrasies of certain setups giving oddball issues, and such. And no, install times are still a pain. I spend more time reinstalling stuff I know I have on my PC, but steam insists it has to install it, than PS4 reportedly does on the game itself.
 
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King Boo

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wii u/pc for me. although i am jealous of people that have all the time in the world to play games across all 3 major systems and pc. but with my set up, i got my nintendo, and i got my 3rd party stuff for the pc
 
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alexandros

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Relaxed Muscle said:
Is still a quite a great deal. IMO. You also get extra discount on sales and so on.
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Maybe, but it's the principle of the thing. Locking essential functionality behind a paywall is wrong, it's as anti-consumer as it gets and it sets a very dangerous precedent. Which feature will be next?
 
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Tenck

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velociraptor said:
PC will become the way to go when we have high performance parts are a much cheaper price. As of now, it is in Nvidia's best interests to promote PC gaming.

It costs too much to continually upgrade your PC to stay up to date. My £900 PC which I bought in 2011 is almost outdated.

Having said that, you cannot beat PC games on value. Steam destroys all.
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Are you dense or just plain trolling? Why would you want to keep your PC up to date? Do you honestly think every PC gamer buys new parts every month? There are people who game on 4+ year old hardware.

And as for your £900 PC, did you even bother building it or just buy a premade one? Hard to believe anyone who knows anything about PCs would not upgrade something to keep his/her PC from becoming outdated so fast.
 
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McLovin

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I wont get a pc for at least 2 years. Pretty much anything pre-ps4/XO is gonna take a huge hit on performance. I'm gonna get in when the pc has a clear advantage at a reasonable price range.
 
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Atomski

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alexandros said:
Maybe, but it's the principle of the thing. Locking essential functionality behind a paywall is wrong, it's as anti-consumer as it gets and it sets a very dangerous precedent. Which feature will be next?
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Yeah this is my thing, I just feel like its dirty locking standard functionality behind a subscription fee.

Sure free games can be nice.. but they arent exactly "free" its more like you are gambling 50 dollars and hoping to get a game you like or dont own already.

Id much rather they keep standard functionality free like it is on PC.. and I will spend 50 bucks on deals and such I know for a fact I want.
 
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scsa

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I read it as
Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their wallets to AMD and give us some of that greenery as well.
 
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Snakeyes

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noconstant said:
NO, I cant. The PS4 is 400, and according to most of the respected sites, it can run Battlefield 4 really close to a Maxed out PC. You can't build a PC to play battlefield maxed out for 400. You are going to need 1500 at least.
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Nope. If you don't feel like spending time to become more informed on the subject, that's fine, but don't just go pulling out statements like that out of nowhere.

And about the PS+, it gives much more than just online play, It's been so good (on ps3) that is silly to be a ps3 owner and not have PS+.
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We're comparing price, not perceived value. If you want to get the most out of a $400 PS4 for 6-8 years, in a gaming landscape that is looking to become more online multiplayer focused than ever, you'll need to shell out that extra $300-400 for Plus. Based on what I've seen in the PC threads here on GAF, $700-800 gets you a rig that should at least outperform the PS4 for the entire generation, even if you're building from scratch.
 
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artist

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Racer1977 said:
Nvidia are seriously pissed at being left out aren't they.
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Factor in 1 million+ launch day sales for PS4 in NA and even with poor rep Xbone selling 1 million+ launch day worldwide and it's quite obvious that Nvidia feels threatened. Regardless of their financials, they feel some threat that they NEED to make statements like these. Earlier in the year when people were impressed with the console specs (after hearing rumours of a 6670 level GPU), Ps4 riding the NoDRM wave, these guys came out and tried to cash in on that popularity.

Nvidia tried to float the idea that THEY passed on the consoles when we found out that wasn't the case. Add this all up and you'll see why people associate Salt with any or Nvidia's recent public statements.


Kinthalis said:
Console tears.. nothign but console gamer tears.
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I see tears from both sides in this thread and I'm embarrassed.

Majanew said:
Nah. No thanks, Nvidia. I'll keep my AMD powered PS4 and XB1. Might even buy an AMD powered Wii U. Don't care for a gaming PC, but if I did... it'd be AMD powered too.
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Maja pls.
 
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DodgyGeezerFella

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Not sure if anyone has posted the link to the small PC's Nvidia are on about, but you can see them here -

http://www.geforce.co.uk/geforce-small-form-factor-pcs

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Just nice pre-built's really.
 
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jaded_up_

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Saty said:
Still amazed people using first party exclusives to argue in favor of consoles over another type of platform. Arguing in favor of a certain gaming form factor that certain size and ease and 'comfy couch' but yet give examples for games that are only available on one console only.

1st party exclusives aren't argument of the 'philosophy' of consoles over PC. Naughty Dog doesn't develop game only for PS3 because they only like and want to develop for living room boxes; they don't develop only for PS3 because that's the only hardware they like; they don't develop it only for PS3 because they don't want their games elsewhere; they don't develop for only the PS3 because of any distinctive or unique the PS3 console holds. Naughty Dog develops for PS3 solely because they are owned by the company that sells that console - it's not ND's choice.
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It's architecture was unique therefore your whole argument is void. Get jelly.
 
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McLovin

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Snakeyes said:
Nope. If you don't feel like spending time to become more informed on the subject, that's fine, but don't just go pulling out statements like that out of nowhere.


We're comparing price, not perceived value. If you want to get the most out of a $400 PS4 for 6-8 years, in a gaming landscape that is looking to become more online multiplayer focused than ever, you'll need to shell out that extra $300-400 for Plus. Based on what I've seen in the PC threads here on GAF, $700-800 gets you a rig that should at least outperform the PS4 for the entire generation, even if you're building from scratch.
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I'll gladly pay a premium to not deal with pc head aches. That said I'll get a gaming pc eventually. And I don't think a $700 pc would last the whole generation. Unless you're not counting the OS and left out an optical drive like most $700 "gaming" pcs.
 
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coldfoot

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Piggus said:
It's a valid reason to argue that you should own a console AND a PC. There isn't much of an argument against PC gaming in general. They're not nearly as expensive as some people would like to believe, they can be hooked up to a TV like a console for "comfy couch" gaming, and the "waaaaaa drivers and settings are hard" arguments are just lol-worthy.
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PC is still more expensive, and less convenient. You can't turn on a PC and navigate it entirely by using only a controller. And there are times when some windows update completely fucks up a driver or something else you've been using. It's much better for sure, but still not as turnkey as a console. Some people don't mind this, for sure, but you can't generalize it for everyone.
 
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Toxi

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People still using the "couch and living room" argument in 2013, my God. This thread deserves a wall of shame.
 
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gooner4life_uk

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I just don't see how anybody can compare playing games on a PC to on a console, I have a gaming rig, I have a PS4, I have an Xbox One, I have a Wii U, I have a 360, I have a PS3, I have a Wii, I have a PS Vita, I have a 3DS.

I don't have time to play them all, but when I do have time I'll pretty much always go for the console version, with the exception of the last few months until the Xbox One and PS4 launched, I was playing Fifa 14 pretty much exclusively on PC, and I skipped BF4 on 360/PS3 for the PC version, didn't enjoy that though, I just cant enjoy using a mouse and keyboard to play.
 
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Deleted member 22576

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Thats why you get a gamepad, you dingdong!
 
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chickdigger802

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What turned me off consoles this gen is multiplat which are the majority of games. They just stopped giving a fuck about performance a few years in. If games soooometimes hit 30 fps. They just ship it. Heck even first party stuff have drops. TLOU averages about 28.
 
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BPoole

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I agree with them. There is hardly any reason to own a console aside from a handful of exclusives. All of their new features like social stuff and streaming has been on PC for years
 
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LCGeek

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McLovin said:
I'll gladly pay a premium to not deal with pc head aches. That said I'll get a gaming pc eventually. And I don't think a $700 pc would last the whole generation. Unless you're not counting the OS and left out an optical drive like most $700 "gaming" pcs.
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and plenty of pc gamers pay their premiums not to deal with plenty of console bs. Also you don't buy a pc to last, you buy it to play what you want.
 
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