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[OmegaTreeFish]

Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.

Some of the most popular games in the world are:
League of legends
World of Warcraft
Call of duty.

None of them are popular because of graphics and plot.

 

[syko de4d]

Knack only sold more than Mario because of the higher installed base of the PS4 ;(

 

[thepotatoman]

How will they be profitable within the division with a price cut? There is too much investor pressure for the Xbox division to be sustainable and no longer rely on the parent bailing it out.

Well kinect and tv passthrough doesn't seem essential to the system if push comes to shove, and ESRAM is likely to drop in price faster than DDR5. They could probably easily achieve price parity without pulling out of microsoft's wallet if they absolutely have to.

I think they abandoned the cheap subsidized subscription model hoping that people would pay full price and pay for 5 years of XBLG anyway, but I'd imagine that might be a good fallback plan if they need a game changer that doesn't outright lose money for them.

 

[Cosmozone]

A GOTY contender that is only there because nothing else is even worthy of mentioning on Wii U. Umpteenth game from a franchise that was original somewhere 28 years ago. For me Knack looks far more exciting than another "adventure" of Mario.

There are actually two "GOTY" contenders a.k.a undoubtedly great games, Mario and Wonderful 101. When you think Knack is more interesting, you're just delusional. I like Sony, but seeing such rabid fanboyism is just sad.

 

[Hasney]

I do wonder how many people bought Knack just because it was the only PS4 bundle they could get hold of, like me. Then I wonder how many people out of that pot were pleasantly surprised by the game, also like me.

We'll never know, but it would be interesting.

 

[Devilgunman]

Because quality = Teraflops?

No, quality means a console with a proper online infrastructure which its competitor has since 2006.

 

[Paracelsus]

Graphics don't matter, but it's not like they never matter, there's a big difference.

This is basically "next gen starts when we say so", with a tiny little bit of delay.

 

[MoogleWizard]

A GOTY contender that is only there because nothing else is even worthy of mentioning on Wii U. Umpteenth game from a franchise that was original somewhere 28 years ago. For me Knack looks far more exciting than another "adventure" of Mario.

So you haven't played it? I have played both, though admittedly Knack only for an hour. But reading the reviews, nothing much changes after that. 3D World throws new ideas at you in every single level. For every rock in Knack there is a new idea in 3D world.

Dismissing the game because it's Mario is pretty silly. New ideas are new, creativity is creativity, even if you play as the same character. Bland, samey games don't become interesting and different just because you play as a new character.

 

[moniker]

A GOTY contender that is only there because nothing else is even worthy of mentioning on Wii U. Umpteenth game from a franchise that was original somewhere 28 years ago. For me Knack looks far more exciting than another "adventure" of Mario.

Yeah, Knack is a far better game, as evident by all the raving reviews and user impressions versus the universally panned 3D World. Oh wait.

 

[Finalizer]

Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.

I know. Does everyone love Justin Bieiber too? He has sold alot of records, he MUST be good, better than some crappy orchestra.

I have always made my choices based on what I want and like.

Will the cool kids laugh at me because I have a Wii U, I'm going to get bullied.

It's a fucking salt mine in here. Next-gen delivers~

 

[Donthizz#]

some Nintendo fans are talking this news way too seriously. Knack was bundled with PS4's and for some that was the only way to get a PS4.

 

[DJwest]

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The salt and tears in this thread, delicious.

It's a fucking salt mine in here. Next-gen delivers~

Indeed lol

This thread is delicious.

Just wait for the November NPD thread man ;-)

 

[SwiftDeath]

Well kinect and tv passthrough doesn't seem essential to the system if push comes to shove, and ESRAM is likely to drop in price faster than DDR5. They could probably easily achieve price parity without pulling out of microsoft's wallet if they absolutely have to.

I think they abandoned the cheap subsidized subscription model hoping that people would pay full price and pay for 5 years of XBLG anyway, but I'd imagine that might be a good fallback plan if they need a game changer that doesn't outright lose money for them.

What makes you believe ESram will drop in price faster than GDDR5?

The only possible savings on ESram is a dieshrink which will be difficult on such a large APU, obviously will happen but not quickly

GDDR5 is provided by 3rd parties and clearly has already dropped in price significantly if Sony decided to move from 4GB -> 8GB

 

[maverick40]

It's a fucking salt mine in here. Next-gen delivers~

I know this thread is wonderfull. I have the tub ready and the bubbles are a plenty to see how this thread goes

 

[Revolutionary]

This thread is delicious.

 

[NHale]

So what's the official excuse now? Is console gaming still dead? Or was it raining everytime someone wanted to buy Mario and the WiiU?

 

[EvilPengy]

some Nintendo fans are talking this news way too seriously. Knack was bundled with PS4's and for some that was the only way to get a PS4.

Yeh but even if it did get bundled, 14th place for Mario is pretty bad. Its behind current gen titles like Arkham Origins for example

Ahem, sorry, I meant Arkham Oranges

 

[sephi22]

So what's the official excuse now? Is console gaming still dead? Or was it raining everytime this weekend someone wanted to buy Mario and the WiiU?

Ice fucking cold.

 

[Kysen]

3D world could have been done on the 3DS, what a waste. If Nintendo would just abandon the WiiU and focus on the 3DS they could earn so much more. Or at the very least adopt a similar strategy as Sony and do dual platform releases.

 

[fluffydelusions]

When do we get the actual numbers?

 

[maverick40]

So what's the official excuse now? Is console gaming still dead? Or was it raining everytime this weekend someone wanted to buy Mario and the WiiU?

There is no excuse. The Wii u is stil born and Mario is not relevant anymore.

 

[Rocky]

some Nintendo fans are talking this news way too seriously. Knack was bundled with PS4's and for some that was the only way to get a PS4.

Again so what? Nintendo and its rabid fans were bragging about Wii Sports being the best selling game of all time last gen, and that was because it was bundled with the Wii. Why does it suddenly matter less, now that its Sony and the PS4?

 

[keuja]

The ratio of PS4 sold to Xbone is equal to the ratio of number of pixels in 1080p vs 900p.

 

[Imperfected]

Some of the most popular games in the world are:
League of legends
World of Warcraft
Call of duty.

None of them are popular because of graphics and plot.

Hey man, those games have awesome plo--pfffthaha, okay, I couldn't finish that one with a straight face. Call of Duty wasn't always as embarrassing as it currently is, though.

And with recent enhancements World of Warcraft now has graphics on par with Lego Harry Potter, which is technically a game that was released only two years ago.

 

[Suzzopher]

Yeh but even if it did get bundled, 14th place for Mario is pretty bad. Its behind current gen titles like Arkham Origins for example

Ahem, sorry, I meant Arkham Oranges

Arkham Origins was discounted last week.

 

[KingSnake]

A GOTY contender that is only there because nothing else is even worthy of mentioning on Wii U. Umpteenth game from a franchise that was original somewhere 28 years ago. For me Knack looks far more exciting than another "adventure" of Mario.

Nailed it. Couldn't have said it better.

Again, I'm failing to see anything that new in 3D World. Multiplayer? It's been in the last two NSMB games. Cat Suit? Just another powerup really, no different than the Tanooki suit or any other suit, wow I can crawl up walls now. Sorry, I just don't see any "fucking charm" to the game. And it seems that Nintendo Diehards are the only ones that do.

Don't get me wrong, its as fun as other Mario games but it really doesn't seem like anything that different than NSMBU except 3D.

This is going places already. I understand people being upset that Mario sold poorly, but people acting like this when their console already won the generation? Damn.

 

[cookie-monster]

They need to get all Vita games compatible first.

not going to happen. Any game that requires pressing a specific part of the screen or using back touch or the camera can never work. Creating joypad-specific versions for each bit of gameplay that uses those features is just going to add even more costs to developing for a platform that doesn't look enticing to most publishers in the first place.

 

[Rizsparky]

Not surprised. People will buy as much software as they can for new consoles at launch so the sales numbers are bound to be inflated. I think this, bundled with the fact that the Wii U has underperformed in the UK is probably why Mario has been outsold.

That being said, I expect a few copies of Knack on the CEX pre-owned shelves - the game is average at best.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.

What gameplay innovations are we seeing with the Wii U that we haven't already seen on touch devices?

Nintendo brought this on themselves by letting the Wii brand slide into irrelevance, and banking on the casual market which has moved on already.

 

[Rehynn]

In essence, you're pissed off because people are buying the games that they enjoy, rather than buying the games that you enjoy. Good luck with that.

Something to remember the next time you enter a 3DS thread.

 

[Popup]

Lol, is that how it came across to you? Not my intention. Just making a point about how sales figures and quality rarely go hand in hand.

 

[Log4Girlz]

This thread is delicious.

It is seasoned to perfection.

 

[fluffydelusions]

So what's the official excuse now? Is console gaming still dead? Or was it raining everytime someone wanted to buy Mario and the WiiU?

Isn't it always cloudy and rainy there?

 

[SwiftDeath]

not going to happen. Any game that requires pressing a specific part of the screen or using back touch or the camera can never work. Creating joypad-specific versions for each bit of gameplay that uses those features is just going to add even more costs to developing for a platform that doesn't look enticing to most publishers in the first place.

The back touchpads are more an issue but are rarely used

The DS4 will be compatible once PS4 streaming to PSV is available

Then the touchpad on the DS4 can be used for the main touch screen controls of the vita

Not a perfect solution but certainly workable

 

[sephi22]

Lol, is that how it came across to you? Not my intention. Just making a point about how sales figures and quality rarely go hand in hand.

This.
We saw it with the Wii.
Thankfully people learned and are buying the quality consoles now.

 

[Hasney]

There is no excuse. The Wii u is stil born and Mario is not relevant anymore.

Agreed with the still born, but not the second part. Mario Kart 7 is still 25 in the all formats Top 40. That's some legs for something that's lost it's relevancy.

 

[Rocky]

This is going places already. I understand people being upset that Mario sold poor, but people acting like this when their condole already won the generation? Damn.

Acting like what? You Nintendo diehards are the biggest hypocrites on the internet and people are just calling you out on it.

 

[hodgy100]

Well kinect and tv passthrough doesn't seem essential to the system if push comes to shove, and ESRAM is likely to drop in price faster than DDR5. They could probably easily achieve price parity without pulling out of microsoft's wallet if they absolutely have to.

I think they abandoned the cheap subsidized subscription model hoping that people would pay full price and pay for 5 years of XBLG anyway, but I'd imagine that might be a good fallback plan if they need a game changer that doesn't outright lose money for them.

GDDR5 is infact coming down in price all all the time due to its vast use in graphics cards and now the PS4, that will help push down prices very quickly, the ESRAM on the other hand will only drop in price when we see a die shrink which could be over a year of yet. and DDR3 price will either stay the same or rise as we transition into DDR4 in PC's

I don't believe the HDMI passthrough adds that much cost to the system, kinect is definitely the one optional item that can be removed, but the UI will require an overhaul to make it useable with a controller.

 

[Imperfected]

So what's the official excuse now? Is console gaming still dead? Or was it raining everytime someone wanted to buy Mario and the WiiU?

Well, we are talking about the UK, here...

 

[DenogginizerOS]

The biggest news for me is the PS4 outsold the Xbox One nearly 2:1 despite the FIFA bundle.

 

[Contra11]

Nintendo choose bundles for the wii u rather then price cut , they deserve this

200 $ with a game or no buy

 

[cookie-monster]

The back touchpads are more an issue but are rarely used

The DS4 will be compatible once PS4 streaming to PSV is available

Then the touchpad on the DS4 can be used for the main touch screen controls of the vita

Not a perfect solution but certainly workable

how do you press a touch button? I just don't see Sony putting out a half-arsed solution like "you can kind of work it out". Gestures fine, buttons, no.

 

[iapetus]

So I guess bundles only count when its Nintendo then right? Gotcha.

Perhaps bundles should only count when there's non-bundled hardware availability. If you want a PS4 and the only way to get it is with Knack bundled...

 

[MavFan619]

Congrats to Sony on another strong launch. That Knack thing is surprising I will eventually pick it up when it's cheap.

 

[Frillen]

Something to remember the next time you enter a 3DS thread.

SmokyDave owns none-Sony systems? I've always looked upon that guy as a Wollan type of poster. Someone that acts like his not a fanboy but you very well know is.

 

[Unknown One]

Agreed with the still born, but not the second part. Mario Kart 7 is still 25 in the all formats Top 40. That's some legs for something that's lost it's relevancy.

It'll sell well, but it won't do so well this time around. Big install base = bigger sales. Wii--U won't have a big install base.

I thought Smokey owns a 3DS and Wii-U.

 

[KOHIPEET]

There are actually two "GOTY" contenders a.k.a undoubtedly great games, Mario and Wonderful 101. When you think Knack is more interesting, you're just delusional. I like Sony, but seeing such rabid fanboyism is just sad.

So TLOU is not even an "undoubtedly great" game? I guess denying its a good game isn't falling into the category of being fanboyish.

Spoiler

I really hope TLOU will win GOTY this year, proving people that trying out original ideas and new things is better than crunching out yet another sequel for a franchise

 

[cookie-monster]

Perhaps bundles should only count when there's non-bundled hardware availability. If you want a PS4 and the only way to get it is with Knack bundled...

I think the best measure will be the second-hand price in a couple of weeks time.

 

[metalslimer]

SmokyDave owns none-Sony systems? I've always looked upon that guy as a Wollan type of poster. Someone that acts like his not a fanboy but you very well know is.

Smoky can fight his own battles, but when has he ever not completely been honest about how much he dislikes Nintendo's hardware?

 

[DJwest]

The ratio of PS4 sold to Xbone is equal to the ratio of number of pixels in 1080p vs 900p.

I can't...