Boss Doggie
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Seems like they're gonna do one eventually...
...did Wreck it Ralph get a short?
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Disneys Frozen [OT] They Pulled Another Tangled!
- Thread starter Tricky I Shadow
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US is slave to marketing
Seems like they're gonna do one eventually...
...did Wreck it Ralph get a short?
Exactly how i felt about frozen
DrForester
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I thought Tangled had all the pieces come together better than they did in Frozen.
Caught it today in 3D. I liked it a lot, though I guess for me it didn't reach "instant classic" status - the plot was a bit too thin and didn't have the "epic" weight of a fairy tale, and the songs were good but kind of forgettable (with the exception of the "Let it Go" song / scene, which ranks up among the best musical spectacles for me - gorgeous visuals and character moment that felt very liberating).
Also, the first few songs felt somewhat jarring in the beginning - like, "let's stop the action and sing a musical number about my emotions", and I can imagine little kids squirming in their seats at those points. They were very "Broadway-pop" for an animated film, and it makes me appreciate Alan Menken's talents in his Disney efforts and how many of his songs just seem to flow as part of the film, carrying it along.
The plot kind of suffered from not having a great villain (and the Duke seemed kind of tacked-on and there for no reason). Also, the king / queen's reasoning in the beginning of the film made no sense at all, and kind of seemed like an artificial way to set up the conflict. But I liked the way the story played with conventions and handled Anna's unrealistic and naive expectations for romance (this from the same company that helped build those unrealistic and naive expectations for generations of children).
Beyond that, the visuals and art direction were absolutely great (loved the lattice-work in the ice palace and the crystal tear-drops hanging from the branches), as well as the voice work. Josh Gad was really good - I usually don't like cutesy sidekicks, but he gave Olaf a lot of charm.
Also, the first few songs felt somewhat jarring in the beginning - like, "let's stop the action and sing a musical number about my emotions", and I can imagine little kids squirming in their seats at those points. They were very "Broadway-pop" for an animated film, and it makes me appreciate Alan Menken's talents in his Disney efforts and how many of his songs just seem to flow as part of the film, carrying it along.
The plot kind of suffered from not having a great villain (and the Duke seemed kind of tacked-on and there for no reason). Also, the king / queen's reasoning in the beginning of the film made no sense at all, and kind of seemed like an artificial way to set up the conflict. But I liked the way the story played with conventions and handled Anna's unrealistic and naive expectations for romance (this from the same company that helped build those unrealistic and naive expectations for generations of children).
Beyond that, the visuals and art direction were absolutely great (loved the lattice-work in the ice palace and the crystal tear-drops hanging from the branches), as well as the voice work. Josh Gad was really good - I usually don't like cutesy sidekicks, but he gave Olaf a lot of charm.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
HNNNG. Cant....stop...listening...to...the...soundtrack!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
My brother and I were laughing at the fact that Elsa's dress is most likely made of ice.
Thinking about it, there were two main parts of the plot which didn't make sense / seemed tacked on to help the story go along (spoilered):
It felt like the scriptwriters started off by figuring out what they wanted the plot setup to be so there'd be an emotional payoff at the end
and then filled in plot points to get there. And sure, it's fantasy, but even the fairy tales that a lot of Disney movies are based on have an internal logic to them (probably because they portray the battle of good vs. evil more simply).
Again, a really good movie, but the more I think about the plot the thinner it seems.
1. A troll tells your loving, doting parents that "fear" is the greatest danger to controlling your powers. So... they fire servants, shut all the doors, and make you a recluse (and don't even tell your sister about your powers), implying you're too dangerous to be seen by regular people, because that's going to HELP with your fear? If they were "bad" parents who were ashamed of their daughter and didn't want the world to see her, I could understand the isolation, but I guess Disney didn't want to portray evil parents or something. Having loving parents do this just didn't make sense.
2. You learn a hard lesson that infatuation over a guy you just met in one day isn't really true love. So of course you brave a winter storm and risk your life to have "true love's kiss" with a guy you've traveled with and known at most TWO days, because he showed he loved you by leaving after dropping you off.
Oh yeah, and why was it necessary that Anna's memory was completely erased and no one told her about Elsa's powers after her initial memory erasure healed her, besides plot convenience?
2. You learn a hard lesson that infatuation over a guy you just met in one day isn't really true love. So of course you brave a winter storm and risk your life to have "true love's kiss" with a guy you've traveled with and known at most TWO days, because he showed he loved you by leaving after dropping you off.
Oh yeah, and why was it necessary that Anna's memory was completely erased and no one told her about Elsa's powers after her initial memory erasure healed her, besides plot convenience?
It felt like the scriptwriters started off by figuring out what they wanted the plot setup to be so there'd be an emotional payoff at the end
Anna doesn't know about her sister's powers so it'll be a surprise later, Anna will run after Kristoff so it'll be a twist when it turns out the "true love" that heals her is for her sister
Again, a really good movie, but the more I think about the plot the thinner it seems.
SolidChamp
Banned
Taiwan's release date is December 27, if OP wants to add that to the international release date listings.
Why not? Even loving parents can make appalling decisions borne out of good intentions. In this case, isolation might well have appeared to be the easiest road.
She didn't exactly have much choice at this point. Sure, it might not have worked but the only other option would be to remain idle while freezing to death.
qindarka said:
I agree it's probably supposed to be a bad decision, but does the movie ever say that, or expect the audience (many of whom are children) to understand that? Again, it just seemed weak and a bit artificial to set up the plot. Rapunzel has an almost identical setup with her isolation in "Tangled", but within the logic of her fairy tale it all "makes sense" (Mother Gothel hides her away in a tower because she wants to keep her powers for herself, and tells Rapunzel of the dangers outside to prevent her from venturing out).
On another note, I think it's funny Idina Menzel gets cast to play misunderstood women with magical powers - you could have stuck "Let it Go" into "Wicked" (or had Elsa sing a version of "Defying Gravity" or "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished") and it wouldn't seem out of place, since their characters have similar emotional journeys.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I liked this one quite a bit! Unfortunately, outside the great "Let it Go", most of the songs are forgettable(and stuffed in the first half). Its a weirdly constructed movie too, the kinda thing that screams "WE MADE THIS MOVIE RELATIVELY QUICKLY".
But its fun, and they're all very likable(even Olaf, surprisingly), and its JUST SO DAMN BEAUTIFUL, and surprisingly progressive, and almost always enjoyable. It deserves none of that BEST DISNEY MOVIE IN 20 YEARS hyperbole(I'd be hard-pressed to put it over Tangled, tbh), but its certainly delightful throughout most of its runtime.
Even "Let it Go", for all its "Damn, go on with your bad self, Elsa" showstopping changes...we don't really see much of this cool new Elsa, do we? Best moment of the film is with a side character we don't see much. You basically got 30 minutes of exposition, then the movie starts over again for when the plot finally kicks into gear, then after Anna gets hit, the movie starts over again for an entirely new conflict in the last 30 minutes.
But its fun, and they're all very likable(even Olaf, surprisingly), and its JUST SO DAMN BEAUTIFUL, and surprisingly progressive, and almost always enjoyable. It deserves none of that BEST DISNEY MOVIE IN 20 YEARS hyperbole(I'd be hard-pressed to put it over Tangled, tbh), but its certainly delightful throughout most of its runtime.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Sorry for the late quote Shadow !Got back about an hour ago from finally seeing it....
They did it again!
Have read nothing more then They did it again that is all I needed (not that I was not going to see it anyway) but your reaction is enough to make it even more excited to go see it in 7 days.
Fantastic
Glad you enjoyed it.Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Done! If I had to wait that long I’d go crazy. Although at least you don't have to wait till March like Japan! -_-
The songs definitely grow on you after a while.....I can't get most of them out of my head these last few days!
Sorry for the late quote Shadow !
Have read nothing more then They did it again that is all I needed (not that I was not going to see it anyway) but your reaction is enough to make it even more excited to go see it in 7 days.
Fantastic
^_^
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Nice to see that the Tomato Meter has been consistently been rising these last few days. Its currently on 87%.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Picked up the Disney Infinity Frozen character set for Elsa and Anna on Amazon's Lightning deals
Love the designs, can't wait to play as them :3
Love the designs, can't wait to play as them :3
Saw it yesterday with 3 friends. We all ended up really liking it!
Olaf is now my favorite Disney movie character, by far. There's just something about his naiveté and innocence that is really, really great. He manages to be funny, charming and even oddly creepy all at once.
My main complaint is that, while I think the songs were generally really good, there wasn't a real "climax" song like "Now I See The Light", "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" or "Hellfire" and the songs were kinda all-over-the-place in terms of feel. Between the traditional sound of the chanting and the pop-feel of most of the rest of the soundtrack, it felt like there wasn't a real consistent "theme" to the music.
All that said, I loved the movie. It reminded me in a lot of ways of Emperor's New Groove in the way that it was very self-aware (everything from Kristoff's disbelief over Anna's rush to get married to Olaf's interjections and observations), the humor having more innuendos and some of the more ridiculous lines/premises of the songs.
Tangled definitely has the beats it on songs for me (by a country mile!) but I really liked this movie more in almost every other respect.
Olaf is now my favorite Disney movie character, by far. There's just something about his naiveté and innocence that is really, really great. He manages to be funny, charming and even oddly creepy all at once.
My main complaint is that, while I think the songs were generally really good, there wasn't a real "climax" song like "Now I See The Light", "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" or "Hellfire" and the songs were kinda all-over-the-place in terms of feel. Between the traditional sound of the chanting and the pop-feel of most of the rest of the soundtrack, it felt like there wasn't a real consistent "theme" to the music.
All that said, I loved the movie. It reminded me in a lot of ways of Emperor's New Groove in the way that it was very self-aware (everything from Kristoff's disbelief over Anna's rush to get married to Olaf's interjections and observations), the humor having more innuendos and some of the more ridiculous lines/premises of the songs.
Tangled definitely has the beats it on songs for me (by a country mile!) but I really liked this movie more in almost every other respect.
entire Let It Go sequence released on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk
this soundtrack omg
I loved this movie. It was full of Disney "sins", or in other words, things Disney would never do.
What do you mean she didn't learn anything?
I loved this movie. It was full of Disney "sins", or in other words, things Disney would never do.
the true love that breaks the spell? it wasn't a man. it was the love between sisters. that's new. and Disney even teased their own reputation of shipping naive, brand new fairy tale relationships by scoffing at marrying someone you just met that day.
What do you mean she didn't learn anything?
Why are you comparing a kiss to engagement? It's just a kiss. There have been side characters that kiss for less in Disney movies. He risked his life to save her in the climax of the movie, an act of self-sacrificial love to her. She risked her life to save him during the scene with the wolves, too. Their whole relationship has been built upon substantial sacrifice for each other. The least he deserves is a kiss lol. It's not like she's getting married to him in that moment like she was going to with Hans. And her relationship with Kristoff has much more meaning than hers with Hans because it has actual sacrificial love in the relationship, not just finishing each other's sentences like with Hans.
Christopher
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Adored it.
It's so special to see the relationship between two sisters center a movie and never lose sight of that. "Let it go" and the "For the first time in forever" duet in Elsa's castle were both stunning. As was the gorgeous "Frozen Heart" intro.
And holy shit, Olaf had me near tears. That creepy close up shot and his deadpan "I don't have a skull...or bones."
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It's so special to see the relationship between two sisters center a movie and never lose sight of that. "Let it go" and the "For the first time in forever" duet in Elsa's castle were both stunning. As was the gorgeous "Frozen Heart" intro.
And holy shit, Olaf had me near tears. That creepy close up shot and his deadpan "I don't have a skull...or bones."
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It was pretty good. Elsa is fierce. Wasn't a huge fan of the romance and was kind of hoping they were going to pair Kristoff with
I loved Olaf. He was hilarious.
Overall it was a little rushed but Let It Go and the whole scene with it was amazing and put it above Tangled for me.
Elsa since they kept showing how much he loves ice
I loved Olaf. He was hilarious.
Overall it was a little rushed but Let It Go and the whole scene with it was amazing and put it above Tangled for me.
Great King Bowser
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Took my mum to watch this today and we both loved it. Let It Go was indeed fantastic.
Christopher
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I just think it needed a stronger villian and maybe some more angst from Elsa
SparksterMeta0
Member
Just saw the movie.
Liked Olaf. He wasn't annoying at all and I liked the fact that didn't care that he would melt after learning that he and heat don't mix. I'm glad he can live on thanks to Elsa's magic.
Loved the songs, especially "Let it go".
Hated the sudden heel turn of Hans. I was expecting the kiss not to work and and then go from there, showing that loving someone at first sight doesn't register as "true love". But he was just conspiring since he was last in line in his family.
Loved the twist about "true love" though. The whole "Prince Charming kiss" we seen in the classic Disney tales was nowhere in sight, instead we see an act of family love between sisters.
Loved the songs, especially "Let it go".
Hated the sudden heel turn of Hans. I was expecting the kiss not to work and and then go from there, showing that loving someone at first sight doesn't register as "true love". But he was just conspiring since he was last in line in his family.
Loved the twist about "true love" though. The whole "Prince Charming kiss" we seen in the classic Disney tales was nowhere in sight, instead we see an act of family love between sisters.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Just got home from seeing it!
I loved the animations. As usual, they were beautiful. The songs were great and well done (although I didn't like the Olaf summer one that much).
All in all, an excellent movie; it's definitely up there for me. I didn't think it was better than Tangled, but I enjoyed it all the same. Olaf's not even that annoying! I was pleasantly surprised.
I loved the animations. As usual, they were beautiful. The songs were great and well done (although I didn't like the Olaf summer one that much).
The overall plot was great, although I felt the ending was a bit lacking. I definitely loved the twist with "true love". I felt a little bit disappointed in how everything was thawed; it would have been cooler if Anna got powers / had secret ones from birth that were revealed through her heart completely freezing. I was hoping she would have summer / fire ones; that would have been awesome.
All in all, an excellent movie; it's definitely up there for me. I didn't think it was better than Tangled, but I enjoyed it all the same. Olaf's not even that annoying! I was pleasantly surprised.
Femmeworth
Banned
Kissing, at least for protagonists, is a huge deal in the realm of Disney. Hence why I equated it to sex. Risking your life to save someone doesn't entitle you to anything. Anna's relationship with Kristoff doesn't exactly have a great foundation either. Sure, it's a step in the right direction compared to Hans, but it's not evident that she will be willing to break up with Hans if need be. The film points at that you need more than simple chemistry for a good relationship, yet it doesn't follow through with it to a great extent. Really I take issue with the values presented in the film.
Eh, I disagree. The film loses sight of it by not focusing on Esla enough. The narrative is heavily biased in favor of Anna and her pursuits. I would say Brave does a much better job of actually focusing on the central relationship. If the directors really wanted Anna and Elsa at the center they would have had them journey together and Kristoff would just be a minor character or not exist.
I completely disagree.
Disney couples kiss all the time and go through far more shit than the typical person in real life on 1 or 2 dates. You're putting kissing an altar even higher than Disney does. There's nothing wrong with them sharing a kiss after all the trial and triumph they went through. The foundation is built on sacrifice for one another, so yeah, it's a pretty decent foundation for a Disney relationship. Disney was showing how ridiculous it is to marry someone the day you meet them, but it wasn't making any sort of crazy statement that it's inappropriate to kiss someone who loves you enough to try to save your life.
Yeah. Her pursuits of her sister.
Focusing on Elsa more would be boring considering they already communicated everything they needed to communicate with her: she wants to be alone.
Femmeworth
Banned
I think you may be focusing on the wrong parts of the movie. I agree that a few more Elsa building scenes wouldn't have gone amiss but the sequences of 'Do You Wanna Build a Snowman' and 'Let it Go' and 'For the First Time in Forever/Reprise' really go a long way to build their relationship and how they are diametric but also complementary.
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
This movie was incredible. Girlfriend and I agreed that this really felt like a true Disney great. If anyone is on the fence, I strongly urge you to go watch Frozen. Especially if you liked Tangled.
Dog Problems
Banned
What is the song called at the beginning when the guys are collecting ice?
Frozen Heart.
This movie was pretty decent. The ending was really silly, and the part in the middle
was kind of dumb. To my surprise, I liked Olaf's character and I liked what he represented in the movie. I also liked all the subversions and twists, even though I did predict most of them ahead of time. The music was mostly just okay, and only one song really stood out for me. I did feel that there were too many moving parts and it didn't devote enough time to Elsa in the second part of the film.
Also, did anyone else get the impression that
where the trolls sing
Also, did anyone else get the impression that
Elsa was originally meant to be a villain?
Femmeworth
Banned
They didn't for me. Maybe I'm biased against musical numbers, or Disney style ones.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I dont care what anyone says......this belongs right next to the very best songs Disney has ever done.
The song is lovely, but together with the visuals its bliss. It helps that Elsa is a relatable character too.
jamesinclair
Banned
Haven't seen the movie yet but watched that.
First thought: sounds like Wicked.
Go to Wikipedia.... lo and behold its the Broadway singer from wicked
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Makes me wonder where Kristoff was going prior to meeting the trolls.
Dog Problems
Banned
Thanks.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Ha, I was already watching it on facebook when I saw your post
Scene gives me goosebumps everytime. Kinda surprised they released this whole marque scene.
Looks great, wonder what the 3D cover will look like. Been more impressed with the 3D covers lately (see Little Mermaid)
princemarth23
Member
First time seeing this and I really enjoyed it. Definitely one of the better Disney songs in a while and the animation really takes it to another level.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Definitely, gives me goosebumps every time I see it. I suppose they wanted it on display to attract even more people to see this gorgeous movie. You'll be glad you see "Let it Go" in the theater setting
Yes. It wasn't her sister saving her either, but an sacrificial act on Anna's part that did it. Liked the message for the kids of saving yourself by thinking of/ helping others, where "true love" is about what you giving and not something you wait to receive.
Olaf was great, for a second I thought he was going to be the act of "true love" lol.
Olaf was great, for a second I thought he was going to be the act of "true love" lol.
For some reason, Elsa at the beginning made me thinking of how it is for Queen Elizabeth, as well as the difference between William and Harry, that sibling contrast rang a bell, not that they have special powers or anything.
And maybe I am the only one who prefers For the First Time in Forever to "Let it go". That song did a whole lot of character and story work, especially when it became a duet, and was more representative of the movie. For some of the scenes, like the beginning with the men cutting ice and with the Let it go sequence, I was already picturing the Broadway show in my head as I watched them. Add a couple more songs and I think it could be there. It lacked a big villain number from
Hans
And after the movie, I wondered why Aladdin doesn't have a Broadway show, so it's nice to find out Disney already thought of that and there will be one next year. Can't wait for it to come to the West End as well. I am sort of glad we had that long period of Pixar movies and came back to the point where we aren't sick of Disney musicals again, there can't be too many of these in a row.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Could you fix your quote, which was Spoiler tagged?
As for your post, "For the First Time in Forever" is way up my list now, it's like right there with "Let it Go" I just love hearing Kristen Bell singing super pretty in it, that and the meaning for Anna herself is also very heartfelt.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Another note, I was pleasantly surprised at Kristin Bell's singing voice. I was convinced someone else did it, but nope. I didn't even know she could sing...
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