Two of mine got hit today. They're old ones so it's not really affecting anything, but the randomness of the claims is annoying.
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Rumor: Youtube Getting tough on video game monetization in 2014
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Two of mine got hit today. They're old ones so it's not really affecting anything, but the randomness of the claims is annoying.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Cobanermani456 on Twitter mentioned he had some NSMBW and Wind Waker HD ones flagged. Which of yours got caught?
Skyward Sword and Galaxy 2
TheAbsolution
Member
I know right. Its like they can't come up with another reason other than "I hate that you make more money than me and make it look so much easier." Or "I Dont like you so you shouldnt make any money and fucj the little guys who will get hurt." Sigh.
Would the rise of mobile devices and ad block affect income by much?
KillerIsJed
Member
I'm pretty scared on this end as well, since I do YouTube as a hobby while earning some extra cash. I guess I can always just do Twitch...
I'd like a new site to rise up and take on gaming video and monetization. Taking over all the rights handling and copyright stuff for all the users.
I'd like a new site to rise up and take on gaming video and monetization. Taking over all the rights handling and copyright stuff for all the users.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Two of my videos today, both THQ titles got hit today. I think there is some claims going out in waves today.
Fattony12000
Member
My YouTube Live Event for Wind Waker HD was terminated mid way through streaming, about 2 weeks ago.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
I imagine Adblock does affect but not sure how much by. Alot depends as well on the age of the viewer, sex, location and more things. One country could pull in on average $3 CPM while another is only $0.50.
Mobile ads were introduced I think last year after testing but I honestly I didn't see any increase.
Wow, that's quite extrapolation, for the record, I don't care what some internet attention seekers do with their time, and if by hook or crook they managed to shanghai some rubber-necker into ritually watching 'content' like entranced magpies, then good luck to em.
My emotional reaction to YouTube shutting them down is a big MEH
I'm not bitter or angry, just non-plused and perhaps this might give some of em the chance to broaden their horizon and move on to better things, so I don't really understand the aimless rant you just vomited all over the screen.
Google giveth and google taketh away
MickeyKnox
Member
I wonder what the total valuation of ad money for all video game content on Youtube is and how that pie is split up, also wonder what a breakdown of that content's cost to Google in terms of overhead looks like.
If a viable market exists for that type of content then it will manifest itself somewhere short of a court decision in favor of the publisher's claims officially closing down all avenues for its expression.
If a viable market exists for that type of content then it will manifest itself somewhere short of a court decision in favor of the publisher's claims officially closing down all avenues for its expression.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
"Non-plused" enough to make extremely bitter-sounding internet posts about how little you care about this, at least.
HolyBaikal
Banned
There's a lot of video game content I don't like on Youtube. But there is plenty more I do like. I don't want that to do away. And I don't want to not have the right to do such a thing if I wanted to myself.
I think that Let's Play videos fall under fair use and should be protected.
I think that Let's Play videos fall under fair use and should be protected.
QuicheFontaine
Member
Lol, "if by hook or crook they managed to shanghai some rubber-necker into ritually watching 'content' like entranced magpies" is like the saltiest thing I ever heard. Ok buddy, you don't care. Sure.
It will 100% certain if Youtube really does go to shit with this as there is too much money involved in playthroughs now through advertising although i feel that all the problems will calm down after a while because Youtube make sooo much money through the adds they add on millions of videos with the percentage they take.
BlackBanditSho
Member
Thanks guys. I wasn't sure how to politely react when I spew "aimless rants you just vomited all over the screen".
Delusibeta
Banned
Honestly? I wouldn't be too surprised if Maker/RPM/Polaris would encourage their channels to transition to Blip, which they own.
Well...I can't say I care. I'm tired of seeing 5000 idiots clamoring to be the one that shows you them playing a video game in the hopes they'll make money. 90% of these "personalities" are grating, obnoxious attention whores in the first place. At best it cuts that scene down immensely, at worst YouTube gets competition from another video sources that somehow circumvents the rules.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Jesus, dude, really? At least quote tag that shit.
best not share an opinion on the matter, you'll be accused of being bitter
not intentionally trying to ruin your day dude, damn
biggersmaller
Banned
We will look back at bloated marketing budgets causing titles to be considered a failure when selling 4 million worldwide, and laugh at such deranged YouTube policies being a priority. Meanwhile console makers are looking at streaming as the bedrock of their platforms. Man this gen is going to be a riot.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
That's for sure
Why would you do that?
Member
I've pretty much stopped visiting YouTube altogether because too many people are placing ads on their videos. It especially irks me when people monetize game trailers, a simple re-upload of an advertisement with ads beforehand. I've seen posters on NeoGAF post links to reuploaded trailers or other videos, of course, with ads. I can't place the blame solely on random YouTubers, though. Large sites like IGN and Gamespot also do it, so I don't watch any of their YouTube videos.
It also irks me when I see people posting videos of game music with ads, and I usually don't like seeing straight gameplay footage with ads. Basically, it seems like more and more people are trying to make a quick buck instead of uploading content for the fun of it or the *ahem* greater good.
As far as Let's Play videos and especially reviews are concerned, I know that they have original content and (well, at least the good ones) have thought put into them, i.e. they're not trying to make a "quick" buck, so I'm sorry for those people who are affected. While I still am a bit conflicted as to whether or not they should make money off of them, the fact is many of them do work hard on creating Let's Play videos, so yeah.
It also irks me when I see people posting videos of game music with ads, and I usually don't like seeing straight gameplay footage with ads. Basically, it seems like more and more people are trying to make a quick buck instead of uploading content for the fun of it or the *ahem* greater good.
As far as Let's Play videos and especially reviews are concerned, I know that they have original content and (well, at least the good ones) have thought put into them, i.e. they're not trying to make a "quick" buck, so I'm sorry for those people who are affected. While I still am a bit conflicted as to whether or not they should make money off of them, the fact is many of them do work hard on creating Let's Play videos, so yeah.
I'm really LTTP here, but I see we should probably make a definitive post about (at least) Naughty Dog's stance on YT videos and monetization. It may differ to SCEA's policy, but at least it's a start.
I'm not going to do it here since I'm sure the SCEA legal team will want to review the scope of it, but I can in general terms say we don't like you making money off of our content, and we frown upon spoilers prior to game release. In the absence of an official policy at the moment, I would imagine we won't end up too far away from what Rockstar/2K says.
That being said, I know SCEA will claim and monetize some videos through their system, depending on how wide ranging it is, etc. (e.g. you upload your own version of a trailer we released).
I would really like to see this "via email" that spells out what our policy was, as I'm sure it was very much based on a specific context.
I'm not going to do it here since I'm sure the SCEA legal team will want to review the scope of it, but I can in general terms say we don't like you making money off of our content, and we frown upon spoilers prior to game release. In the absence of an official policy at the moment, I would imagine we won't end up too far away from what Rockstar/2K says.
That being said, I know SCEA will claim and monetize some videos through their system, depending on how wide ranging it is, etc. (e.g. you upload your own version of a trailer we released).
I would really like to see this "via email" that spells out what our policy was, as I'm sure it was very much based on a specific context.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
I can understand this for any company's latest releases, but what about sharing gameplay from older stuff... in ND's case games like Crash Bandicoot or the Jak series?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I will make a point those ads aren't always added by the users. They sometimes can be, but I can say as a person who sometimes uploaded music and trailers in the past without claiming them, they are sometimes claimed by the studios who own the trailer/music, and ads are placed on the video automatically with the revenue going to the companies.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
"Your content" as in, just straight ripping gameplay, story scenes, or official trailers without adding any sort of additional worth through commentary, etc? Or do you mean pretty much anything that contains assets from one of your games, regardless of any added worth?
The former I can understand to a point, especially in regards to straight rips of trailers and stories. I was surprised that so many people blamed Atlus for taking down YouTube vids of the story in Persona 4 Arena, since that game is 99% visual novel, 1% hitting buttons in a ridiculously easy fight. Watching that game on YouTube is preeeetty damn close to how it feels to actually play it. But if it's the latter, then why not go after IGN, Gametrailers, etc for putting ads next to your assets? Is it just a matter of the volume of money that some YouTubers make? Or is it because you can't control YouTubers to the degree you can control the "traditional" gaming press?
Press copies are "bound" by different EULAs aren't they? I'm not press but I know things I have received from companies generally have extra strings attached.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Perhaps, but YouTube doesn't care. It's copyright detector thing will nail any related content
I thought that ad-blocked viewers don't get counted at all.
Yes but the copyright holder gets to choose what to do with matches. It's why I have videos that have been up for years that have matches that are fine.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Who are you partnered with?
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Nintendomination just made a video about this. He's says he's getting a claim every 3 minutes
http://youtu.be/5u_AAJuO7Bs
http://youtu.be/5u_AAJuO7Bs
Yeah, after seeing comments from this and other videos my opinion has moved to #dealwithit.
Wow, as someone who just spent close to $1500 in hardware (capture device, mic, website, xbox one, etc.), and is just starting and with no idea on how to get views, this is disheartning. I just want to make a living working in the hobby I love. I'm no programmer, and I have no idea how to get the 2 years industry experience which seems to be a basic requirement anywhere in the industry today.
Youtube is (or was) going to be one of the tools I used for exposure, income, and a place to host my videos. Ugh, this doesn't make any sense to me, if these businesses want to make money, they need to make games worth buying. Not release a game in a buggy as fuck state, and then claim that youtubers are robbing them of money or ripping them off somehow.
Not to mention the other people out there who don't work for an established game site who don't have to deal with the PR bullshit. They will be taken off youtube for copyright claims now, so that's awesome. Want to get a quality review? Too bad, go watch it at a website that fired someone for not giving a game a great review score or fuck off. I swear this industry needs to grow up, I mean think about it. Bought Ryse or Forza at fill price? Why not spend more money on microtransactions!
Want your little scavenger bot in Dead Space 3 to talk? That will cost you too. Want the tough questions answered? Too bad! Anybody who asks a dev anything remotely challenging will be blacklisted. Didn't score our game high enough? Shame on you, we'll be hand picking who gets the review copy's next time you meany! Sigh, I'll end my spiel here, I just hope I'm able to get things going without having to deal with this red tape.
Youtube is (or was) going to be one of the tools I used for exposure, income, and a place to host my videos. Ugh, this doesn't make any sense to me, if these businesses want to make money, they need to make games worth buying. Not release a game in a buggy as fuck state, and then claim that youtubers are robbing them of money or ripping them off somehow.
Not to mention the other people out there who don't work for an established game site who don't have to deal with the PR bullshit. They will be taken off youtube for copyright claims now, so that's awesome. Want to get a quality review? Too bad, go watch it at a website that fired someone for not giving a game a great review score or fuck off. I swear this industry needs to grow up, I mean think about it. Bought Ryse or Forza at fill price? Why not spend more money on microtransactions!
Want your little scavenger bot in Dead Space 3 to talk? That will cost you too. Want the tough questions answered? Too bad! Anybody who asks a dev anything remotely challenging will be blacklisted. Didn't score our game high enough? Shame on you, we'll be hand picking who gets the review copy's next time you meany! Sigh, I'll end my spiel here, I just hope I'm able to get things going without having to deal with this red tape.
Where are you reading the bolded? 99% of this thread is about content ID matches, which prevent you from monetizing but don't remove the video and don't endanger your account.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
So you're judging everyone based on the actions of a few? Seems fair
This is going to change Youtube. I know a lot of people think that the content will all still be there but it wont. Most of the big people releasing tons of videos each day are doing so because they get paid. And most of the people who aren't getting paid to do it are in it because they want to get paid in the future. And this isn't a "you should do it because you enjoy it" sort of thing. It's a "I need a full time job to support myself now and don't want to give up my social life" type of deal. I love video games, but I cant play them that much because I value time with friends and money to support myself more. If I could get paid to play through tons of different games I would be all for it. And I would absolutely love my job (for the most part). But if I cant make a living off of it, then I wouldn't do it often (maybe a video each saturday night and sunday afternoon) If this is true, then wow.
And it seems like publishers are merely doing this out of spite. I'd argue that most of the lets play videos actually increase sales. TheRadBrad had millions of hits on his gta walkthrough. Youtube no doubt played a large role in increasing the sales of GTA5. And hate him or love him, pewdiepie plays tons of unknown or indie games. In fact, he's in the middle of a Dark Souls walkthrough with each video getting millions of views. Millions of people are watching him laugh his way through the game. He loves it and tells millions of loyal viewers to buy it. I'd bet money that the game has seen a bump in sales since his walkthrough started.
Bottom line, these guys are getting paid for a reason. They provide entertaining content to millions of viewers. And while they are making a living in part by using other peoples content, they are helping those people by increasing game awareness and sales. The only reason developers are doing this is because a bad game can get roasted by these guys or they are just salty after looking at internet celebrities making money doing something they will never do.
And it seems like publishers are merely doing this out of spite. I'd argue that most of the lets play videos actually increase sales. TheRadBrad had millions of hits on his gta walkthrough. Youtube no doubt played a large role in increasing the sales of GTA5. And hate him or love him, pewdiepie plays tons of unknown or indie games. In fact, he's in the middle of a Dark Souls walkthrough with each video getting millions of views. Millions of people are watching him laugh his way through the game. He loves it and tells millions of loyal viewers to buy it. I'd bet money that the game has seen a bump in sales since his walkthrough started.
Bottom line, these guys are getting paid for a reason. They provide entertaining content to millions of viewers. And while they are making a living in part by using other peoples content, they are helping those people by increasing game awareness and sales. The only reason developers are doing this is because a bad game can get roasted by these guys or they are just salty after looking at internet celebrities making money doing something they will never do.
casinoman921
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