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Titanfall has maximum player count of 12 (alongside AI) [Respawn comments post #558]
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This is what I was thinking.
Pound_lb003
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Really? How is that inherently bad?
I don't even like Titanfall and I don't get this reaction.
BlitzEngineer
Member
I'm floored by the amount of people who think this is a bad thing.
If the design calls for 6v6 then that's what it should be. More players != better. Did the people freaking out over this like 64 player Metro in BF3? Or people constantly spawning behind you in CoD? Maybe it's a diffrence in opinion but I thought that crap was awful and I've always thought tighter, less random experiences was what I wanted out of shooters. Guess people just like big numbers for big numbers sake...
If the design calls for 6v6 then that's what it should be. More players != better. Did the people freaking out over this like 64 player Metro in BF3? Or people constantly spawning behind you in CoD? Maybe it's a diffrence in opinion but I thought that crap was awful and I've always thought tighter, less random experiences was what I wanted out of shooters. Guess people just like big numbers for big numbers sake...
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
So wait, can you actually farm AI bots for in-game bonuses you can use against real players?
qa_engineer
Member
As someone who played hundreds of hours of TF2 and even got into 6v6 for awhile the genuine TF2 experience is all about 32 players to really take advantage of the class dynamics.
6v6 on Titanfall sounds pretty boring and it comes across as an even weirder restriction if they are just padding the experience with shit like bots.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I guess you're just not really into competitive shooters... boring would be jumping into a mech and being able to skill-lessly overpower every player on foot. That would completely suck and the game would completely tank cause 1 player having fun while 10 other players are just getting demolished is terrible.
People complain endlessly about COD killstreaks for this exact reason. The guy bombing away in the sky is having fun while everyone else is just thinking... let this end so I can actually enjoy the game a little bit. In other words, too much negative impact on someone else's play experience is crushing in a MP and is sorta why a lot of people end up disliking certain parts about COD.
Its more like DOTA than TF2. They aren't really bots. Bots implies they are just AI controlled players. They're not more bots than the fodder is in a MOBA. They fulfill a separate role than players fill. I completely disagree about tf2.
admartian
Member
Funny how some people are rationalising small/big player counts - depending on their agenda off how they want/don't want this game to be.
But I don't think this is a bad thing for a game like Titanfall (or from what we've heard it's like). It is mechs of course, and it's not just infantry like COD or BF where it's pretty much a 1.5 second kill. I presume gameplay will be a lot more tactical and the longevity of each spawn will be much longer and more rewarding than that. Not to mention it sounds pretty varied (on what you can do).
Mind you this is all just form a few videos and impressions I've read and heard about.
This is coming form someone who plans to be a PS4 gamer primarily this gen, and will never get to play this game barring a gaming PC/XB1 falling on my lap for free.
But I don't think this is a bad thing for a game like Titanfall (or from what we've heard it's like). It is mechs of course, and it's not just infantry like COD or BF where it's pretty much a 1.5 second kill. I presume gameplay will be a lot more tactical and the longevity of each spawn will be much longer and more rewarding than that. Not to mention it sounds pretty varied (on what you can do).
Mind you this is all just form a few videos and impressions I've read and heard about.
This is coming form someone who plans to be a PS4 gamer primarily this gen, and will never get to play this game barring a gaming PC/XB1 falling on my lap for free.
HawksWinStanley
Member
I guess I was assuming a lot more but if that's what works best then okie doke.
Hip Hop
Member
A 5-8 hour campaign charging $60 is okay, but a multiplayer focused game that will most likely offer 100+ hours is not okay of charging that same price?
The price will be justified for many regardless.
Whew... I'm glad to hear that.
Well what did you expect?
This is GAF and review/metascore hype is just one step of the fun.
For a game like Titanfall thats specifically excluding a huge playerbase of Playstation fans, I wouldn't be surprised to see people booing it. Some people are tied down to the hardware. I see people saying The Last of Us had paid off reviews for getting such universally high praise. At the same time I see people giving props to sites like Polygon for low scoring reviews (7/10) despite never playing the game (probably because they don't want to buy the hardware to buy the game). Then others cheering (probably because they like knowing the fact that the game they are going to buy is getting rave reviews).
Titanfall looks nice and I'm a huge fan of mech shooters but I have no interests in building a PC for this game or getting a XBO.
But I'm not one of those bitter people booing the game because I will never be able to play it. I hope the best for it. Maybe a sequel will come out on playstation consoles some day if its really good. Maybe it won't and thats okay too. I guess I'm going to settle on Gundam Extreme VS, which is no problem for me
BTW the VS series have typically only done 2 vs 2 combat on various sized maps and although its more of an arcade fighter I love small map sizes and having small teams. Having it more than 2vs2 would just make the game a massive clusterfuck. Its bad enough doing 1 vs 3. Some games are just optimized differently.
Isn't that what match-making is for? If it's boring to demolish unskilled human opponents then presumably it'd be even more boring to demolish cannon fodder AI.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
I'm OK with this. 32 or 64 mechs blasting around would probably end up being a clusterfuck more than a cool thing.
There's foot grunt AI that moves like normal infantry. They are there, like creeps, to give the sense that you are part of a larger battle. They are also relatively easy to kill from what has been revealed. Is that an appeal to casual players? Maybe.
There are certain things inherent to lower player count games that just don't go away with the inclusion of AI grunts. People have played the small playercount stuff before on console. As a PC player, I was hoping for more. Way more. Even if that meant making Titans more rare or whatever it takes.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
considering the level of freedom and quickness in movement, plus the Mechs...
...its likely a good move
...its likely a good move
Little drop pods will shoot down around the map, and reinforcement AI soldiers will pour out of them (looks to be about 4 or 5 soldiers in a pod), you can also get out of your Titan once you call it down and have it follow you around as a guardian while you huff it on foot.
The only bonus is that the more guys you kill, the quicker you can drop your Titan. So I bet getting AI kills helps fill the drop meter a little, but not as much as killing another pilot (human player).
FreddieQuell
Member
I don't think there is anything wrong with 6v6, but if that's where the game plays best why is there ai? The ai is needed for more bodies to fill out the maps/world? okay, then why not have those bodies be filled with other players? Doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm skeptical about how the AI in Titanfall flows with the game design, but that doesn't make any sense. You still have to contend with real enemies who will be shooting at you. If the game is balanced around 6v6, it's not going to be long before a real player finds another real player.
At the very least, we know that killing real players contributes to a faster Titanfall timer. If there's some kind of XP or counter system where actions feed into that(like assists, double kills, etc.), then killing the AI might let you "farm" a Titan faster. We'll have to see.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Oh, well I see persecution complex hasnt taken long to rear its ugly head this year.
Videogames.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I was on a media blackout and haven't seen much if anything since the reveal, but the thread title blew that and killed my own expectations.
I guess I was wrong to assume it would be 10v10 or better, but those are the games I like, the more the better (One of the reasons Planetside 2 was one of my fave games last year) - I like mental battle clusterfucks that you get from higher counts, different strokes for different folks and all that.
It's simply down to personal preference, cool for those that like low player-count FPS's, I'm just not one of them.
rob305
Member
Killing bots doesn't give you as many points as killing humans. You could farm them but its not really effective and won't get you in the top 3. It's been a while since I played it (I think it was August) but as far as I remember there was no way to distinguish real players from bots other than their name. I might be wrong on this one though.
Devs choosing number of players for good gameplay balance is similar to devs choosing HD resolution?
Seriously?
Welp, now I know why sports games like NBA Street were 3 vs. 3. The Xbox 360 and PS3 couldn't handle 5 vs. 5!!!
Can Crusher
Banned
This might hurt its potential success, specifically in terms of crossover with COD and BF crowd.
I thought the sentry drones were only there as a means of stopping spawnkilling.
I never played shadowfall enough to know, but most sentries in the other games were pointlessly if set up by engineers or the like.
After playing TLOU and Kilzone Classic Warzone vs Battlefield and 24 man Warzone's, I agree with you completely.
sirseanconnery
Banned
In a game with mechs AND infantry it is really imbalanced considering how powerful these mechs are.
Since when is BF4 only infantry?Funny how some people are rationalising small/big player counts - depending on their agenda off how they want/don't want this game to be.
But I don't think this is a bad thing for a game like Titanfall (or from what we've heard it's like). It is mechs of course, and it's not just infantry like COD or BF where it's pretty much a 1.5 second kill. I presume gameplay will be a lot more tactical and the longevity of each spawn will be much longer and more rewarding than that. Not to mention it sounds pretty varied (on what you can do).
Mind you this is all just form a few videos and impressions I've read and heard about.
This is coming form someone who plans to be a PS4 gamer primarily this gen, and will never get to play this game barring a gaming PC/XB1 falling on my lap for free.
Also what do you mean by 1.5 second kill? Every video of this game that doesn't include the player in a mech, is a 2 shot kill, with shotguns still being a one shot.
Your throwing battlefield and COD in the same group, which isn't the case, and titanfall seems to be a different beast as well.
Something something. People are allowed to call out a game few have played, but people can't call out actual posts that have the same rhetoric in every thread.
You're right that we'll have to wait and see.
But my point is - if the game is designed to be 6 a-side then why fill up the map with AI cannon fodder? Conversely, if the game is designed to be an epic battle then why limit the player count to 12?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Definitely, Halo should be 4 on 4! Bigger teams = less coordination = more solo players playing for their K/D and not the game.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
No current plans for a beta as of this post. If you see any, its a scam.
I don't understand why you read people complaining that 6vs6 is low, to be taken as "I NEED 6000 players to be fun." No, as I said.. there are options in FPS games, and have been for some time. I know this, you know this, and devs know this. We've been playing the same type of FPS game for years. This one will have a mech, and it will be fun, but I'm not betting on Titan Fall to usher in a whole new dynamic of small combat gameplay dynamics, which nothing shown has illustrated. So please, lets stick to the idea that it could have options for 18, 24, 32 players. That isn't declaring it needs 6000, but enough to be fun. A.I in games sucks, it has sucked for decades. Online bots aren't fun unless you're just doing a l4d style "hahah lets have some fun!" sort of gameplay. Which is why games add those arena levels to their games.
How powerful exactly are these mechs?
