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Xbox One: over 3 million sold to consumers in 2013
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So when is MS going to start acting like they have been humbled as a company? I haven't seen any indication of it.
Check his Twitter account, he even wants Penello to come back and provide more "insight" and qualifies the criticism about Penello as "salt".
Gee I wonder why.
BoboBrazil
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Penello only came on here as a pr mouthpiece to help push the system, going all the way back to his initial posts trying to gain the favor of GAF by writing it on a whiteboard in Microsoft saying hey from the team. Now that the system launched his job is done, so why would he still post here?
Not anytime soon if the sales numbers are right.
All it takes is one game to put MS over the edge. This is going to be an interesting gen. Nintendo virtually out the picture. The two giants going head to head. Were gonna see how bad they want to create a schism or if they actually end up creating parity since it could possibly end up beneficial for the overall health of the market.
I see alottttt of multiplats and hard hitting exclusives this gen.
This is pretty much how I feel about all of the major tech companies which is why I rarely go down the "this company cares about me/us more" route. If I did that, I pretty much wouldn't own any modern tech product since there are traits about all of them that blatantly scream "we want your money".
Guess I just get too excited about (new) tech to do that.
oconnomiyaki
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When their not bringing in billions of dollars of profit a year? There's a world of difference between Microsoft and Sony's position as companies. But obviously this is GAF, so everyone just focuses on the gaming divisions. Will we see a change in Microsoft's gaming division (NFI what it's called)? It depends. They've sold three million of them, making it the fastest-selling Xbox. Sony's in front, sure, but not by much. we'll have to see how this generation plays out, first. It took a few years for even Sony to start adjusting. And at the moment, the only thing Microsoft has really had to weather is a few salty/disgruntled opinions on the Internet.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Check his Twitter account, he even wants Penello to come back and provide more "insight" and qualifies the criticism about Penello as "salt".
Gee I wonder why.
I'm pretty optimistic about the Xbox One, and here's one thing I make clear. I don't believe the "SonyGAF" stuff. GAF is a diverse userbase and community, with many varying opinions and users. Most of us are level-headed, and all of us like to discuss to intelligent level-headed discussion, and I like that. I try my best to make myself articulate whenever I post on GAF, especially so when I'm sharing my personal opinions.
I will say, some users do lean in favor of the Playstation 4, or the Xbox One, and that's fine. Everyone has preferences and so do I, but sometimes it does get very nasty in here and some posts get very negative, which isn't undeserved, Microsoft did do some bad things last year, and are only paying the price of it, just like Sony did in 2006. Still, it's negativity and I could understand and see why Albert wouldn't want to always come here to discuss things with some of the negativity regarding the product he made. I refer to the extremely negative ones by "salt", by the way.
I simply asked Albert because I felt he added great discussion and insight on GAF, and it's always nice to see more industry workers post on GAF. I was curious as to why he hasn't been here, and I asked. I don't see anything wrong with it.
The Xbox division isn't bringing in billions of dollars of profit a year... Not even close.
SEGAvangelist
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I don't believe he was talking about that division alone.
Honest question - can you give me some examples of the insight that Albert added here that was new or otherwise unattainable information? I'm sincerely trying to be open minded about it.
oconnomiyaki
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The rest of the post addresses that. But it's Tsundere.
Probably this. Microsoft makes profit off of many of their divisions besides Xbox while Sony is bleeding money away on a good portion of their divisions, especially on TVs.
Juliet's 8½ Spirits
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care to post some examples
Uno Venova
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Albert coming back to tell me about technical fellows and directx sounds awesome.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, that's really cringeworthy. I presume they're hoping investors will be fooled and their stock will rise? Or maybe to inflate the achievement? The thing is doing brilliantly on its own; there's no need to lie in order to try and make it seem even better.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Real fast, from the top of my head:
Clarified the "Xbox One will only support... 5? Countries at launch for Voice Commands"
Also tried to clarify the power gap between the Xbox One and PS4... which... didn't go very well, but he tried to give insight.
Oh, also he debunked the DGPU rumor. I'm sure he gave answers on smaller things, but I can't go through his post history right now, apologies.
Juliet's 8½ Spirits;96656933 said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79001409&postcount=520
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66944461&postcount=426
SwiftDeath
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Eh to be fair he mentioned a graph or chart of some sort that would be produced in the future and I have yet to see that materialize
Is there any official MS list somewhere that specifies what commands work in what languages in what regions etc.?
SEGAvangelist
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SwiftDeath
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lol I would've thought they'd clarify it. I imagine there is some sort of kinect walkthough/guide on the console itself?
oconnomiyaki
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In the interests of fairness, Microsoft also has a bunch of divisions/products that bleed money, such as Surface. The difference there is that they are so successful in other areas, especially ones that focus on enterprise. Sony's most successful division is actually the one that sells insurance.
I think that people forget that even if the PS4 replicates the PS2s success, that's still really just a drop in the bucket in terms of the potential revenue these companies deal with yearly.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Chobel
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What he said about the power gap isn't a clarification/insight at all.
SEGAvangelist
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Never realized this thing actually happened!!! Amir0x can rejoice!!!
Sword Of Doom
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Haha so that was insight huh. He revealed to the world a new type of math created by Microsoft. Like the Myans discovering the concept of 0.
C'mon man Albert was PR and he was here to do damage control. Some people on gaf saw through it and other didn't. I have to say he did a good job rallying his troops.
SEGAvangelist
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You need to learn what "shill" means.
Yep him and major Nelson.
Can Crusher
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Launch marketing campaign is over. Whoever thought he wasn't being your standard PR mouth got taken for a ride.
Quadraphonic
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But he said he wasn't PR...
But then he was only posting here up until launch as part of his job...
What IS his job?
SwiftDeath
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Ah that's actually useful then although no idea why only the "Xbox On" command gets non-english treatment in that guide? Is there a guide for other languages somewhere?
Neuromancer
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I always liked his zen koan about the less powerful system actually being more powerful.
EventHorizon
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One thing you can count on is that no matter how much money a company makes, it always wants to make more money. Microsoft wouldn't carry a division that loses money and had no larger strategic benefit for the heck of it. Microsoft's money just means that they can put off those types of decisions longer than Sony.
I imagine that within Microsoft it matters a great deal if a division is doing well or not to the people in that division. Promotions, influence and salary are based on it. Xbox was a brand for Microsoft that had an overall positive public opinion. It was more positive than Microsoft itself. With the horrible roll out of the XB1, that brand has taken a hit. The 180s on policy might not be the only changes Microsoft takes if the XB1 loses more ground to the PS4.
So to Microsoft as a whole, how successful the XB1 is might not be that important, but to the people involved it is very important.
Not particularly big things but a couple I recall.
He hinted at the headset being included in the box.
He first let the world know that Kinect was also an IR blaster on GAF.
oconnomiyaki
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Well, yeah. But this is getting away from the initial point a bit (which was just that people forget that Sony was very anti-consumer as an entire company and only isn't now because they're in the toilet). But I don't disagree with what you are saying. And obviously, Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be a success.
But it depends on what you call success. Is it just beating Sony in sales figures? They could wear a $200 hit and outsell them in an instant. So it's more about what profits and gains you are making. I argued in another thread (or maybe even earlier in this one) that Microsoft doesn't just want to sell lots of Xbox Ones, it wants it to be how it ropes you into using its services. You can see this in how it's built, the focus on apps, etc. They're not just in a console war; they're in an ecosystem war. They kind of have the enterprise stuff sewn up, so they're competing with Apple and Google in the consumer space.
It's funny, because if you went by GAF or gaming forums in general, you'd think that Microsoft and Sony are two companies at war and that every system Sony sells makes Microsoft quiver with rage. But then you have Microsoft's Twitter account actively promoting Sony's wares are CES because, funnily enough, they have a relationship with Microsoft in the computing space. There's even talk (or wishful thinking) about getting an Xperia running Windows Phone.
But, you know, you're going to have a bunch of the Internet that will always hate on Microsoft because no matter how they adjust their plans, the console can't ever be as powerful as the PS4 (and that's a gap that is often exaggerated), so they hate them for it, even though it's never really mattered much in the history of video games.
I think it is more for the sake of mainstream media which often tends to just quote the pr and skip any sort of deep analysis in this industry. They are not trying to trick people into buying stock, just trying to get good quotes from major media to help sell the product. It does not benefit a corp as large as MS to build false earnings expectations.
Quadraphonic
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No. It's not exaggerated. It was calculated EXACTLY before launch and proven EXACTLY in all the launch games.
oconnomiyaki
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Easy, there, buddy. I'm not denying there's a gap; I'm saying some people treat it like it's the difference between the Atari Jaguar and the Sega Dreamcast.
Caayn
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As long as people act like the power gap between the PS4 and the XB1 is as big as the power gap between a Lamborghini Aventador and a Peugeot 107. Then yes, it's correct to say that that power gap is exaggerated.
When their stock sinks like the 2nd coming of the Titanic. Much like Sony's has. Don't kid yourself,underneath the new Sony lies the old one still. You can see traces of it still. Killing off GT5's online and forcing their userbase to buy GT6 shows that one needs to use caution with Sony.
Except no one ever said that. You are exaggerating in your argument that it's been exaggerated.
Should we not also be cautious of MS then?
I don't know what the fuck some of you are talking about. The power gap is exactly as big as we thought it was going to be.
oconnomiyaki
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Go read the Titanfall players thread. You have people in there claiming 6v6 was because the Xbox One is so underpowered and how they look forward to 24v24* in Titanfall 2 on the PS4.
*Number chosen arbitrarily and is not an actual quote.
EDIT:
I'd recommend being cautious when dealing with any publically-listed corporation.
What the fuck! You can't do that because that is your narrative.
Caayn
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Whooaa hold your horses. I'm not denying anywhere that the power gap is as big as we expected it to be. If you read my post correctly you'll see that I'm talking about people acting like it is way bigger. You can jump into any random XB1 related thread and you're almost guaranteed to find some posts to prove my point. Best example is the Titanfall thread about the 6v6 player cap.
Ofcourse. i never said otherwise. But I have to stop and laugh at some of the attitudes here overall. One company gets treated like theyre giving you cancer while the other is a family friend. Its a joke that stopped being funny years ago.
oconnomiyaki
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What are you pissing your pants about? I can't be bothered to look through a 50+ page thread for the exact number and so addressed that at upfront to save the GAF detectives some time. It could be 12v12, or 32v32 or whatever. Some people brought up MAG, which was at 256 players. The point doesn't change: people were implying that 6v6 wasn't a design decision and was a limitation because the Xbox One hardware couldn't run Titanfall with anything higher.
You both realize that those are troll posts right? They do it because it annoys some of you so much (and some are just straight up salty, kinda like Last of Us GOTY stuff).
Most people don't actually believe that...
la flama blanca
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Whether it's a design decision or not, their PR would never let us know the truth. If I were to make a bet, I'd say the next iteration has a higher player count.
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