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The order 1886: 40 minutes gameplay presentation for the press tomorrow !
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schwabdizzle
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I am really hoping this game is a survival horror game. I doubt it is.............but I really really want it to be.
3rdamention
Member
It has GOT TO BE 2014. Otherwise, it would really make no sense to have a 40 minute gameplay presentation of a game coming out in 2015. You wouldn't do that now.
I think this is the best news we have for this game coming out this year. It will be this fall I bet.
Well it is but in this case there was no CG.
Wait, there is an embargo on the embargo date?Hi everyone, long time I didn't write here
First of all, thanks to the guy that said "assholes" to the members of the press that do their job and describe what they have seen in an alpha stage ;D
Joking aside, I'm confident I can tell you the embargo date (or window) tomorrow, it's a common use to show a game first to the press, because they can understand (or not, sometimes) the potential of the game even if the game it's not finished and the gameplay shown has bugs and stuff like that.
The developer doesn't have to spend time to make a fancy video for us , plus there is usually a presentation explaining the main aspects of the game in detail with just slides .
Having said that, I will have a gameplay broll to make a long video preview for our readers (so other magazines) and I'm sure that Sony will release a couple of trailers before the embargo, one of them showing the gameplay
Last but not least, if you want me to ask some specific questions to the developers, send me a Tweet (@Tanzen) and I'll try to do my best during my interview slot.
Stay cool and let's see if the game lives up to the hype it created!
Mr. PlayStation
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Hi everyone, long time I didn't write here
First of all, thanks to the guy that said "assholes" to the members of the press that do their job and describe what they have seen in an alpha stage ;D
Joking aside, I'm confident I can tell you the embargo date (or window) tomorrow, it's a common use to show a game first to the press, because they can understand (or not, sometimes
The developer doesn't have to spend time to make a fancy video for us , plus there is usually a presentation explaining the main aspects of the game in detail with just slides .
Having said that, I will have a gameplay broll to make a long video preview for our readers (so other magazines) and I'm sure that Sony will release a couple of trailers before the embargo, one of them showing the gameplay
Last but not least, if you want me to ask some specific questions to the developers, send me a Tweet (@Tanzen) and I'll try to do my best during my interview slot.
Stay cool and let's see if the game lives up to the hype it created!
Thanks for the update Tanzen, can't wait to see actual gameplay!
RPGs too. I'm don't equate 'depth' with 'endless character stats' no matter how complex the game is.
8 out 20 is not more than half and thats counting DayZ, RDR, Fallout and Mass Effect as a shooters...
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But i havent said that they dont make financial risks, sure they do, but they do only for games that they can market easily to mass market and most of them are games that do not focus on gameplay.
And if Journey needed 40 people, that means that studio was very inefficient.
Do You know that Skyrim was made by less than 80 people? It was not really that expensive to make for Bethesda.
I'm just disappointed that only reason for me to buy a console is Gran Turismo. If someone is okay with that and enjoys it greatly, its fine by me. I cant appreciate all those games fully, when i have more played hours in Path of Exile since Steam release [3 months] or almost the same as in DayZ mod, or Skyrim than all my PS3 games combined except for Gran Turismo series.
Oh and ND wanted to make RPG at first, but they made Uncharted and then they made 3 more Uncharted games and TLOU. Talk about creative freedom all You want, but i dont believe that Sony does not influencing greenlight system for their studios.
Also, where is freaking new game from Polyphony except for Gran Turismo? Yeah, exactly.
Neuromancer
Member
I want to be excited about this game but I'm concerned it's going to be Gears of War with a different skin.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I'd settle for this, but I love Gears.
I understood that to mean he won't know when the embargo lifts until tomorrow.
Either way, can't wait to see some gameplay. The atmosphere displayed in the Game Informer article is exactly what I've wanted in a game for ages now.
Does anyone know if Sony is doing another Playstation Meeting event at the end of the month? If so, my money is on The Order being shown then, with maybe a short trailer released about a week before to generate even more hype.
mohsinkhan
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How am I suppose to sleep tonight?
dragonbane
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What I don't understand is how is this making the game or its marketing "safe" ? There are no statistics that prove that games that look like movies sell inherently better than games which don't. In fact they often sell worse as I said. So the marketing department doesn't have an easy job to sell the story of these games while also satisfying the cries of the "where is the gameplay?" crowd at least a little bit. Even if the marketing firm does have an easier job, the games still don't sell better just because. They are still incredibly vulnerable to bombing making them totally not safe. You are way too hung up on marketing to prove your point.
Let's see for Beyond real quick:
Against:
-New IP with no ties to any existing franchise
-Adventure game with no traditional mechanics (shooting, jumping, fighting)
-Exclusive female protagonist with no optional male character
-"You should only play this game once" phrase used by the developers pretty much saying upfront it has hardly any replay value
-Priced at $60 and released in the same month with games such as Battlefield and Batman
For:
-It looks like a movie, has movie stars in it and can be marketed as a movie
Do you really think any publisher considers this a safe game? It's not and how easy the marketing is doesn't change anything about that fact.
Old timey opium den?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
They wanted to make another Jak & Daxter game actually, so whoever influenced their decision to not do that, internal or not, clearly made the right choice.
dragonbane
Member
As I thought. Let's see about that September release date now. If it's like Beyond the date is inside the next trailer...
Haha
It would be better for You to use Heavy Rain as an example, because Beyond was actually judged based on HR performance. If HR would perform much worse, Beyond would not be funded.
Also You are focusing completely on financial risks and ive already said that they are making financial risks, but only for games that can be broadly marketed.
Sony did not finance 20m$ a game like Thief, Dishonored or RPG and there is no indications for now that they will on PS4, which is my point exactly.
I just hope that they will finally.
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Strange, i remember an concept art and article about RPG game, but i cant find it o_0
Let's fucking take this "Hurr durr what makes a good non-safe game" opinionfest to another thread please?
we have seen nothing of this game, nothing. People projecting their own very very low opinions of certain genres on new IP's like this without even seeing a shred of gameplay make me sad.
we have seen nothing of this game, nothing. People projecting their own very very low opinions of certain genres on new IP's like this without even seeing a shred of gameplay make me sad.
dragonbane
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Again these games are not easy to mass market. Like at all. Sales numbers and Sony's internal expectations prove this. There are only a couple of exceptions like The Last of Us and Uncharted that really made bank.
It wasn't an easy game to make, it changed a lot. You are underestimating the effort it takes to create an emotional artistic game like this. You don't have any idea if they worked efficiently or not. If anything, Sony is mostly known for budgeting correctly.
Do you know that Skyrim's budget was apparently $85M including marketing? That's not expensive? Granted, Bethesda's marketing is huge, so maybe the dev budget only was about $25M. That's still more expensive than Heavy Rain ($22M), which was developed over the same period of time (3.5 years) with about 150 full time employees vs. 90 on Skyrim. If anything, those 90 people seem to have wasted a lot of money. Bad example right there.
Fair enough and I can see why you are disappointed. Hopefully Sony will explore those directions at some point.
They have a lot of creative freedom on the games they make, but I would agree that they are limited in genres. Kaz seems to really fucking love cars, so his love probably gels well with Sony's wishes.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
This, you and me both.
madmaxx350
Member
Do you have a source for this?
This so much. I don't know what's more annoying, people just assuming it'll suck because of the genre or people acting shocked that it's not open world despite knowing that since announce.
It's really no worse than the horde of people hyping the game up without seeing a shred of gameplay, which has happened quite frequently since its debut trailer.
madmaxx350
Member
My main issue is the whole "open world is better" mentality... Not sure where it originated or why it's a thing at all.
I agree, and I think it cuts both ways. I'm amazed people have gotten as hyped for this as it seems in this thread considering just how little information has been released to date. Game feels unjustly pigeonholed and anointed at the same time - a meaningful public reveal can't come soon enough.
KoopaTheCasual
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I'm calling it now. This game is going to get a mid-Fall releases followed by TLoU GOTY port in November.
Mashin Haters
Member
they'll probably release a small gameplay demo for the public soon after this
Utter nonsense. The only thing they ever considered was another Jak & Daxter game like Lord Error said.
It's a new goddamn next-gen title. A new IP to boot. With a great setting and art style. That's all we have.
Is excitement not warranted?
Nobody is claiming this to be the citizen fucking Kane of videogames. Stop projecting.
Your schtick is getting really, really old. Go scream in a pillow.
FinalStageBoss
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What the fuck is happening in this thread. .you guys haven't even seen the game lol
Magic Mushroom
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Yup, Gears with a more interesting setting and characters would suit me just fine. Great gunplay and combat scenarios with good pacing would be a must of course. Third person shooters aren't a dirty word to me, as long as they're good.
Nothing wrong with a TPS. If it doesn't control clunky and the characters move like they're constantly moving through thigh-deep water then it's cool. The art style is neat enough, and they did mention some interesting mechanics with structures or something iirc. We'll see. I'm remaining optimistic, for now.
I've played Uncharted, I've played Gears of Wars and i read Game Informer preview, so i know what to expect in terms of gameplay from this game.
And what do You want to talk about more here? This thread would be dead without this discussion.
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Maybe it wasnt easy, but 40 people is quite a lot for a game without voice acting and very basic, mostly procedural gameplay. I know that they've restarted it several times, i remember that.
I think they are not counting voice actors in devs count for Skyrim and they do for HR.
Also yeah, marketing budget was massive for Skyrim
http://www.dorkly.com/picture/17245/epic-skyrim-advertisement
Yeah he is addicted to cars, but he has also complained for 7 years now that he wanted to make other games, especially RPG.
Sony didnt even greenlighted Tourist Trophy, because it was done after hours by few Polyphony developers
Peope get hyped because they have either like RAD's other games or because they like the setting etc. Also we have heard from press folk that the engine looks very impressive. Then again why do I even bother.
No, nothing has been shown about the game. It's only getting any hype at all because it's a console exclusive. I would like to think people aren't so sad and desperate that a setting and nothing else is enough to get them excited for a game.
A new IP is worthless if the gameplay is just copying a dozen other similar games from the same genre. So until they show something there's no reason to be excited.
Yeah, this is my biggest concern. One big ol' Gears derivative with astonishingly good graphics, but otherwise utterly creatively empty gameplay wise. That's why I'm glad Sony didn't feel the need to chase down the Gears franchise and wrestle away it from Microsoft.
Haha oh wow. Yeah you sure are an expert on this matter. Everyone step aside!
(I sincerely hope you're joking)
madmaxx350
Member
why not ? Gears is fun, if the story and the lore is presented well, I'll take it.
I'm excited for the game, really excited actually, because from what I have seen and read, the setting and the idea behind it all make it all worth it.
FaintColt388301
Member
A setting is a great reason to get excited. What are you talking about?
A game that takes place in my home town . . . I'm going to get excited
A game that takes place in an underwater city . . . I'm going to get excited
Maybe the game ends up sucking or the gameplay and setting don't perform well but there is nothing wrong with getting excited about a simple facet of something
dragonbane
Member
Fine, but I really don't think those games appeal to a mass market. Heavy Rain is rather niche in its appeal. In the US it wasn't marketed at all for example. So if Sony funds games because they can be easily marketed, isn't it weird that they don't market them?
And IIRC QD signed a 3 game deal with Sony before Heavy Rain even shipped. Maybe Sony would have backed out if HR performed dreadfully? Possible, but Sony expected Heavy Rain to not sell well. They expected under a million sales, which is not even remotely enough to cover the budget. They funded HR to broaden their line-up and have exclusives ready when they needed them to sell consoles. They were prepared to eat a heavy loss on Heavy Rain in order to achieve this. Now the great success of the game obviously improved their relationship a good deal and probably ensured Beyond could be developed with a lot of freedom. I think Sony would have honoured the contract even if Heavy Rain bombed, but yes, Beyond might be a different game today.
Wait i dont get this, do you think developers also do the voice acting in games or do you just consider voice actors part of every game development team?
God forbid if for some even the small amount of what we've seen is interesting and exciting, and as a natural extension of that just knowing the press gets to see 40 minutes of GAMEPLAY is also exciting.
Samir Sedlar
Member
Okay this is really awesome, though come on Sony, the fans here are dying, show us the 40min video, don't keep it all to the press .
.Tomorrow is going to be a great day, Can't wait to hear your impression TanzenHi everyone, long time I didn't write here
First of all, thanks to the guy that said "assholes" to the members of the press that do their job and describe what they have seen in an alpha stage ;D
Joking aside, I'm confident I can tell you the embargo date (or window) tomorrow, it's a common use to show a game first to the press, because they can understand (or not, sometimes
The developer doesn't have to spend time to make a fancy video for us , plus there is usually a presentation explaining the main aspects of the game in detail with just slides .
Having said that, I will have a gameplay broll to make a long video preview for our readers (so other magazines) and I'm sure that Sony will release a couple of trailers before the embargo, one of them showing the gameplay
Last but not least, if you want me to ask some specific questions to the developers, send me a Tweet (@Tanzen) and I'll try to do my best during my interview slot.
Stay cool and let's see if the game lives up to the hype it created!
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