Hasphat'sAnts
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Can bet you a good majority of these addicts held the same views you did before they turned to dope.
There's very little choice involved in the matter.
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This is unprecedented: 174 heroin overdoses in 6 days in Cincinnati
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Can bet you a good majority of these addicts held the same views you did before they turned to dope.
There's very little choice involved in the matter.
harriet the spy
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Did the war on drug really actively target pot though ? Did it not focus on harder stuff?
harriet the spy
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No one really gives a shit about poor whites either.
Thelonelykoopa
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Well they gave enough shits to report it and give them medical attention.
yeah, better to leave people in crippling, debilitating pain, screaming in agony after even the most basical surgical procedure!
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
That number is fucking insane. Wow.
Quite the extrapolation there.
harriet the spy
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Are you saying there is never any reporting on drug issues in non white communities? Or that if you show up with overdose symptoms to the er and you are non white they will throw you out?
quite the reductive comment you had
Fuck cancer.
Yep. The guy who sold that in WV was from Akron, OH. Supposedly he said he got it from Detroit but I haven't seen that confirmed. Matches with the drug route tho. Detroit, down through Ohio, KY, WV, and down the coast into Miami. Dunno if it has gone past WV though, as far as this carfentanil stuff is concerned.
Thelonelykoopa
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Never is a hard word but reporting of drug issues happen mainly in white communities while black communities it is ignored. Drug abuse it self is more likely to get you arrested if you black though they are the least likely to actually use drugs. If you want heavier statistic I can probably find them some though if overdose cases are ignored than they wouldn't be statistic on them though. Be patient my slow ass internet (40kbps) is hard to pull up PDF Research papers to link. If somebody else can link them faster please do so. Now if they go to the ER than yeah they would help or at least I hope so I haven't looked that up but getting to the ER is another story.
entremet
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Race to the bottom.
Also were talking about heroin dealers. The level of intelligence isn't gonna be high here.
I wonder if there was an initial supply tainted, I doubt the dealers mixed this themselves. The carfentanil-laced heroin was found in several other places around the country. It isn't isolated to Cinci. My guess is street dealers didn't know what they had.
Zelenogorsk
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I have two friends who are recovering heroin addicts and news like this scares me to my core.
Alligatorjandro
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My cousin took heroin and almost died. Fucked up his arm too.
Nathan_Drake
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There was 27 in one evening in my hometown of Huntington WV a week ago. Someone in Akron was arrested for it. They are cutting it with something weird. They are also using counterfeit stuff like Fetynal in it and fake pills. Prince had some and its stronger and synthetic. Scary.
Frozenprince
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Yeah that's the primary supplier cutting it or having a batch that's either really bad or much better than usual.
Jesus though.
Jesus though.
Lonewolf_92
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I have a buddy that just got out of the same thing a few years ago (before I met him). It's hard, but there's hope. :/
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Shit is fucked out here fam. Even before this bad batch more than half of my high school friends have already died off this shit. This week 2 more dropped but were saved by narcan.
Its not Street level dealers that are cutting this shit it's coming in hot like this.
Its not Street level dealers that are cutting this shit it's coming in hot like this.
Kurzgesagt-In a Nutshell did a great video on heroin and addiction: https://youtu.be/ao8L-0nSYzg
Edit: they also did one on the war on drugs: https://youtu.be/wJUXLqNHCaI
Edit: they also did one on the war on drugs: https://youtu.be/wJUXLqNHCaI
I don't judge any person for what they put into their body. I've known people who smoked heroin occasionally and never, to my knowledge, descended into crazy addiction. More the power to them. I know myself and my personality, however, and I am dead certain it wouldn't take much to get me crazy addicted to shit like that, so I always stayed far away. Same for the opposite end with stuff like Meth. Not even once (tm).
Suggesting the idea is not the same as implementing it. Anyway I think they are speculating that resources would better be used elsewhere, since addicts who overdose frequently do so again, and assisting them can seem futile. This is not the case, they realize this on reflection, but again, it is easy to fall prey to frustration when your efforts appear not only to be wasteful but harmful for diverting resources from people who are at risk for reasons beyond their control.
Shit, I wanted to see where the rest of this exchange was going.
ThisGuy
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Right! That exchange became interesting as fuck.
Polioliolio
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I live in Ohio too. I hear about this all the time on the radio, but I don't know anyone who seems to be using heroin. We have a lot of poverty though. My guess is it's absolutely rampant.
My town here in Maryland has a large sign in the middle of the "downtown" in front of the courthouse with a running tally of the number of overdoses and number of fatalities from heroin in our county so far this year. Nowhere near these numbers yet so I guess so far dealers here (or people higher up the distribution chain) haven't been cutting their product with as much shit.
entremet
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For your last statement, you mean prescription drug orders?
Beer Monkey
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We're talking over two million people in the Cincinnati area as far as population. How big is your county?
In 2014 drug arrests in the US, totaled 1,561,231.
700, 993 of these were marijuana related arrests.
You do the math...
http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics
About 250,000, so fair point. I'd have to double check but the overall total is probably close to the same percentage as in Cincy. Last year sheriff's deputies here started carrying narcan with them while on patrol.
There are many factors on why minorities are less likely to be prescribed opiates for pain relief but there is this thought among doctors that they would be more likely to get addicted and sell the drugs so they weren't prescribed as much or for as long.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10826560/opioid-epidemic-race-black
That is not to say there isn't a problem with heroin among minorities - we still need to give resources to everybody in need.
entremet
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Man this is so tragic. It's such a difficult issue too. I used to always think like "why would people even start using these drugs? What leads someone to that?" Until I developed rheumatoid arthritis and experienced pretty elevated, chronic pain. I haven't taken opiates yet and my condition likely won't require anything more than possibly Tylenol 2 since longer term treatment options are available, but I get it now. And I know that there are tons of both chronic and acute conditions that are way worse than what I'm dealing with. Like what are you supposed to do if you're in agony all the time and you can't even sleep?
Aztechnology
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I just watched this Vice episode. That is terrifying and heartbreaking. At the same time though I feel disgusted by these people as well, that they partied that hard or got hooked and couldn't show self restraint. How far these people go for that fix etc. They're barely functioning as humans anymore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=28rJqj-7pEY
Addiction is a disease. Most people don't get hooked on a drug or demonstrate a lack of self restraint just for the heck of it.
Aztechnology
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I know. It's no different then the depression I suffered from. People could have looked down on me and said why couldn't you just get a grip etc. It's just the lengths they will go to to get their fix that gets to me. I wasn't trying to say they don't deserve sympathy. It's just such a departure... It's really sad. One of the guys in there you could tell he wanted so badly to get out. I can kind of empathize, but that guy is on a whole different plane.
I guess I just have a lot to learn about here. For me my depression wasn't a choice. Drugs do seem like a choice to me though so I have this nagging harsh judgment in the back of my mind even though I know they don't necessarily deserve it.
There are some intense neurobiological components to addiction, causing some to be more susceptible than others to begin with. In addition, a number of drugs modify one's reward pathway (i.e. modifying dopamine receptors) and quite literally cause one to crave said drug over food, sex, etc. Combine that with harsh and potentially deadly withdrawal symptoms, and it's difficult to claim that it's a matter of willpower.
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