Right, because better shaders and other shit will make that next gen Uncharted clone a new experience.
I love how the console with a totally unique controller is the one that can't provide new experiences.
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5th Cell CEO (GAF's own Jackson): Wii U is "definitely more powerful than PS3 & 360"
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Right, because better shaders and other shit will make that next gen Uncharted clone a new experience.
I love how the console with a totally unique controller is the one that can't provide new experiences.
KillerTravis
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So you have never entered a Wii U thread were it is believed otherwise?
JordanN
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My last post in this thread since the crazies are coming but, if it was so gasp why do threads like these have more than 20 pages?
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468841
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469109
Edit: Such statements flat out ignore the issue at hand.
Did we already forget about the Wii? Doesn't seem like a big stretch when some are suggesting the Wii U will be more on par with 360/PS3 than it will be with other next gen consoles. In fact, judging by what Nintendo has shown so far, and comments by various developers, it seems pretty solid that this is the case.
But Kinect and Move! No, really. PS360 experiences have been experienced since PS1/N64 days. Just better graphics and different games. EDIT: Which isn't inherently bad, either. Just pointing it out.
Everything points to Wii U being technologically capable of receiving down-ports of aw power reasons.
what ps2/xbox were you playing?it never had games like assassin's creed,demon's souls,dark souls or the online infrastructure we have now used in games like battlefield,cod etc.
Canis lupus
Member
We hear so many contradictory statements, Nintendo release those specs!
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Barf
I think he meant, aside from Kinect/Move, the general experience of the game. In Nintendo's words, how you play the game. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, though.
Anonymous sources, nonetheless!
I didn't say it wasn't technology capable of doing it.
Huh?so according to that logic we've been playing the same games since the atari 2600 as that used a controller without a screen too.....
No. He specifically stated back until the PS2/GC/Xbox generation, to which I suggested that it was more like back until PS1/N64 era. Controls haven't changed much since PS1 (hello, PS3 controller). Controls have definitely changed since Atari 2600, so I don't know why you brought that up. That said, I suggest we move off of this topic, as it is itself off-topic.
No, but better physics, AI, more objects and NPCs on screen at once, larger environments with larger draw distances, large-scale multiplayer games with huge player counts, etc. are things that offer bigger and better experiences.
I couldn't experience something like Red Dead Redemption or Skyrim on a Wii. Instead, I played a lot of games that looked and felt like PS2/gamecube games with different controls.
Some of us want the next big thing. What will be the Skyrim-level jump on next gen platforms? We'll see, but we won't see that on platforms where the hardware is still playing fiddle with the older platforms.
TUROK
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This. The person you quoted definitely did not know what he/she was talking about. In-order execution is antiquated in the realm of laptops and desktops nowadays.
I think it came from one of the leaks of the dev kits. It was highly discussed in the speculation threads back then.
I think the implication here is that these game being ported are highly optimized for in-order execution and thus don't benefit much from out of order execution.
At least in theory that could be the case. If you wrote something that required completely serial execution it would not benefit at all from an OOE architecture, and all the efficiency that provides would be wasted.
Now in practice I have no idea if that is what's happening, but I could see it being the case for at least some inner loops / low-level library stuff.
Well fortunately Microsoft and Sony have made their specs public... so there's that.
The issue I believe everyone is having trouble wrapping their head around is the fact that Nintendo is selling experiences. Graphically, they are not going to blow anything PS360 out of the water, but it will be better. More importantly, it will offer experiences not possible on those consoles. Because the controller is part of the hardware, I don't see them playing any fiddles with anyone (great expression by the way). They're not going to get into a "Let's see who can lose more money per console sold" war with the other companies because they know a) they can still make first-party games that can compete graphically/artistically with more powerful hardware and b) people will buy their consoles regardless.
It's not entirely because it's out of order (though I'll admit that I don't know how much of a difference that would make). Although we're sure that an out-of-order execution CPU is in there, the portability issue is more likely due to lower clock speed, and the lack of optimized code (where devs probably haven't utilized the audio dsp and I/O processor, which should free up a significant amount of the CPU) and the persistent hints about heavy focus on gpgpu functions, to which the code is most likely not tweaked for (which would also decrease CPU load by a lot).
Jackson, of course. He's One Of Us.
But is it more powerful than Ouya...
It's possible I guess, but in my experience, when you optimize code to run faster on an in-order platform it also gets faster on an OOE one, just not nearly to the same extent. OOE architectures are much more "resilient" towards bad code. If you have bad instruction scheduling or superflous branching on a modern OOE CPU it may make your code slower by 20% or so, while on an in-order chip it could be 10x slower.
I wouldn't refer to using GPGPU as "tweaking". More like "entirely rewriting". At least until something like OpenACC actually works for real-world code.
Lol, I actually had it as "rewritten" before I changed my mind for some reason :/
SolarPowered
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He should find Nintendo's stupid secrecy(with paying customers) frustrating if you ask me.
TheVampire
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I cant wait untill someone gets a Wii U at launch and cracks it open so we can put these hardware debates to rest.
Hmmm... I would much prefer 720/60fps. I'd take smoother over sharper any day.
Not a lot will be.
You'll get 720p / 30FPS and like it.
You're mean.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Yeah, it would be great if a 2012 console could perform on par with a $15 video card.
Yeah only he doesn't really word it as an opinion... and it is kind of a black and white thing. Either it is more powerful, or it isn't, and he uses the word definitely. I'm sure it will have a more modern feature set so raw power should be all that is left.
Hot damn where you shoppin' at?! You realize we aren't talking about SimAnt right?
I'd be surprised if any next-gen console regularly output at 1080, given that a lot of displays are still 720. Really not worth it when only half of customers will see any difference at all vs something like higher FPS which is apparent to everyone. Even if the console has the RAM and such to support it I'd see game makers doing more of being able to render at 1080 with some stuff downgraded rather than targeting 1080 as a baseline.
slackboy72
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Well I think you will be surprised then.
If you ask developers whether they'd rather increase the framerate and resolution, or keep it at 720p and 30fps so you can use the saved resources to make your screenshots look prettier I'm sure most would go for the latter option.
There'll be a few obviously, but I really don't expect it to be standard.
The majority of the market doesn't give a shit about 1080p or 60fps.
Considering trends this gen, devs next gen will most likely opt for better effects, eyecandy, and IQ over resolution and 60 FPS. Especially when the vast majority of the audience doesn't notice 720p vs 1080p on their televisions. Many don't even know what frame rate means.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The 9600 GSO used to go on clearance for less than a Blu Ray.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31206575&postcount=13
It wouldn't have any problem running at 1080p/30fps.
SolarPowered
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MS, Sony and third parties took a far larger risk when they decided to move towards HD game development. The start of this generation had tons of people who had not even made the switch to an LCD yet.
I think 720p will probably rule the roost for another generation though.