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AP source: Trump's revised travel ban targets same countries
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GameAddict411
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The legal argument against the ban is still valid. I fully expect lawsuits to continue, but it sounds a lot less severe than before.
EatinOlives
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Yes of course, this entire thing is just trying to do the exact same bullshit with different wording.
Though I'm worried that they'll make it "technically legal" this time even if the end result is the exact same in practice. Travel bans aren't inherently unconstitutional.
Though I'm worried that they'll make it "technically legal" this time even if the end result is the exact same in practice. Travel bans aren't inherently unconstitutional.
GameAddict411
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They aren't until you are start targeting a specific group of people which this ban and the one before do. Hopefully the ACLU will continue fighting this.
BoboBrazil
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No countries Trump has businesses in and where the terrorists actually come from though!
So its less of a shitshow of an EO but it still doesn't do anything to make us safer (since there is no immediate threat from any of those countries), still ignores more dangerous countries (to be clear this isn't an argument for an expansion but just serves to highlight the real purpose of this order), still gives ISIS recruiting material and is still born out of primarily racist and xenophobic ideology. Cool :/
RPGCrazied
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And the protests at airports shall begin again. I hope this ban keeps getting revoked by the courts.
Abinash117
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Making it less severe is admitting to faults of the first EO. I would think they would find some way of achieving the same goal of restricting immigration of those countries, but do it in a different way, but it seems mostly the same, but less severe.
Dash_Riprock
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Round and round we go...
Gentleman Jack
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This form of the ban would still doom contractors pivotal to the survival of American troops as their applications to immigrate would automatically be canceled.
So once again, Agent Orange is either shooting from the hip because he wants to make brown people feel pain or because poppa Bannon is still steering the ship, because even a modest amount of consultation with someone outside the White House would bring these issues up.
So once again, Agent Orange is either shooting from the hip because he wants to make brown people feel pain or because poppa Bannon is still steering the ship, because even a modest amount of consultation with someone outside the White House would bring these issues up.
Pretty much. There was a lot of question about the evidence of why ban these countries and not others were chosen. They used 9/11 in the reasoning for the EO yet none of the attackers on 9/11 were from any of the countries on the ban. This will continue to be a problem for the administration.
I can't wait until they cite a made up attack in an EO.
aspiegamer
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One of the key arguments last time was not being able to prove any actual threat from the nations listed in court. Rather, that the order wasn't actually improving our security and didn't have a legal mandate. That same argument is still there. That lovely map of "where have terrorists come from?" is still valid for discussion.
This may be as questionable as the old one, but It will be more difficult t get a stay put in place, and that's actually what torpedoed the old one. It's more difficult to show damage now since the effect is less severe. It will still probably be unconstitutional, but it may stay up longer then the last one sadly.
It's going to piss of our allies in the region though. It'll be interesting to see when Trump goes to try and fight isis, only for no one in the region to let them use their bases or troops.
It's going to piss of our allies in the region though. It'll be interesting to see when Trump goes to try and fight isis, only for no one in the region to let them use their bases or troops.
.Detective.
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They probably just changed the font only, and think they're smooth operators.
Priebus?
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
It's too late the bad are already rushing in!
Last week someone tried to tell me that we aren't in the loop, so we don't know the current culture or political climate over there. Clearly they had a reason for choosing the countries they did, and apparently the countries of origin for the 9/11 attackers are 100% clean now! I just....God damnit...
They have no evidence of anything.
They were chosen because of muslims and Trump has no business dealings in these countries. That's it.
Rational people know it's a load of crap. Trump supporters will think Trump is keeping us all safe.
Considering the professionalism of too many border officers, I expect that those who are supposed to be exempt from this executive order to find themselves at their mercy anyway. Even if this nonsense somehow survives constitutional scrutiny, I expect that many people will be mistreated as a result of it.
sunshine and gasoline
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Sigh. Round two here we come.
I am not the Wall Street Journal so I won't be outing any anonymous sources.
Good try, though!
Zombie James
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Before: Muslim ban.
After: Muslim ban.*
After: Muslim ban.*
If it was Priebus he would have to name himself, according to his own logic.
UberTag
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Trump doesn't feel like he needs to listen to experts... even the ones in his own hand-picked cabinet are largely ignored.
He only trusts things he hears from Steve Bannon and Fox News/Breitbart pundits. They have never steered him wrong.
i figure the same. then he'll lift the ban after the 90 days and say "we have started extreme vetting" and people will cheer.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump can't even pretend this isn't a Muslim ban by putting Venezuela or North Korea on the list, lol.
I was trying to make joke that WedgeX is Priebus because of comment amount anon source
I can't see how exemptions for current green card and visa holders suddenly stops this being a religious test and thus unconstitutional. They still have no argument as to why these countries as a particular group need to be banned, except for being muslim-majority and not US allies. Presenting essentially the same thing again is rather contemptuous of the court, isn't it?
Make America Sick Again. I want off this ride.
Make America Sick Again. I want off this ride.
Don't give them idea!
Without mentioning the most populous Muslim nation or the country with most important religious places, of course.
I honestly can't wait until Trump or his peeps start calling this a Muslim ban again.
GAF A60-Rim A
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Their only argument is that OBAMA DID IT SO WHY CAN'T WE WAAAAA
Yeah I don't think Trump thinks that way. Stopping Muslims, any Muslims, is a win for him, and he'll think of it as first step. If Trump watches alt-right media, and he has shown he does, then he'll believe what they say about them. I think Trump is genuinely afraid of Muslims.
They're trying to make it harder for there to be a party with standing to challenge the order.
I was trying to make joke that WedgeX is Priebus because of comment amount anon source
Enosh
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if you look at the EO the only country mentioned by name is Syria, other than that the text refers to "countries of concern" or something like that, which refers to a list made in I think 2015
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