24Hz support does amuse me given the gnashing of teeth over how that is lacking on the AppleTV.
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Apple's iPad Pros are the 1st mobile consumer displays with 120hz
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24Hz support does amuse me given the gnashing of teeth over how that is lacking on the AppleTV.
120hz makes a huge difference in PC gaming, but in any kind of mobile game or game that uses a controller you probably wouldn't see much of, or any difference.
Edit the title and shut down the apple army lies pls.
NeOak
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I assume you cant have pencil support and 3D Touch.
Whoever didn't explain to you the principle of of sample and hold to you did you no favors.
You're literally seeing the images double as fast, the only way to do more with a display is to get a lightboost display which would take 120hz at 8ms down to about 1-2ms. CRT phosphor delay is measured in microseconds.
It benefits all.
A gamer is most certainly benefitted being able to manipulate more in the same time period and seeing it faster than a 60hz display. Literally cannot show it anymore clearly. Tech fud next to pseudoscience sickens me.
badcrumble
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I suppose that's possible, though my impression was always that a decent amount of what the pencil is doing with pressure sensing is in the pencil hardware and not in the display.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Apparently the refresh rate of the display changes dynamically depending on the content displayed to save battery life, so if you're watching a 24fps movie it'll update at 24hz.
It'll definitely be beneficial for touchscreen interaction both with thumbs and the apple pencil, latency is already really low for both compared with other capacitive devices but it can go lower.
It'll definitely be beneficial for touchscreen interaction both with thumbs and the apple pencil, latency is already really low for both compared with other capacitive devices but it can go lower.
It's quite tiring seeing Apple being almost contatnly LTTP but being praised as pioneers.
ronaldthump
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I have the large ass iPad pro and quite happy with it. I don't see a need to upgrade but if you don't have one already, they're great (if locked to IOS system)
It's 2017 and we still have sub 1080p games
Why? Most people don't even have a display that is 120hz.
Toadthemushroom
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Yeah, I guess the experts at DisplayMate don't know what they are talking about.
While Apple is often first to bring the tech to market due to economies of scale and massive investment in its suppliers (there's a reason the iPad Pro's display is only available with the iPad Pro...), what's often important is the integration with software.
For instance, iOS is colour-aware, so it automatically switches between the sRGB and DCI-P3 colour gamuts depending on the content being shown to ensure nothing is displayed over- or under-saturated. There's stuff like true tone, where the white point of the display matches ambient light. And Apple has been the industry leader as far as colour calibration of its displays goes. The latest part of the story is how the 120hz display in the 10.5" iPad Pro automatically changes its refresh rate to match the content displayed.
blurredvision
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Toadthemushroom
Member
The human eye sees continuously, not at 30 discrete intervals per second.
Gonna definitely play around with this when it hits the store to see if it's really worth it.
The things holding me back from the iPad are still the following:
1) Required use of iTunes
2) Lack of PS4 Remote Play app
I can deal with the lack of customization and lack of functionality in OS navigation (especially when changing settings). But I can't deal with the lack of two items above.
I can settle for 64 GB (although 128GB would be a sweet spot), but come on Apple. Give us a solution where we can just plug the tablet into any Mac or Windows device and drag and drop files.
The things holding me back from the iPad are still the following:
1) Required use of iTunes
2) Lack of PS4 Remote Play app
I can deal with the lack of customization and lack of functionality in OS navigation (especially when changing settings). But I can't deal with the lack of two items above.
I can settle for 64 GB (although 128GB would be a sweet spot), but come on Apple. Give us a solution where we can just plug the tablet into any Mac or Windows device and drag and drop files.
Hatty
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I haven't connected my iPad to iTunes in like three years
ss_lemonade
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I'm guessing this should dramatically lessen the amount of blur you can see in ipad screens when say, scrolling around? Higher hz gives me that benefit in my PC, even outside black frame insertion.
FrozenCell
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mine can, get yours checked asap
KnightHart
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Once you go to 120-144 you can never go back. Saying this as someone who plays most competitive shooters on my 144hz monitor. So buttery smooth.
I just wish Apple Music wasn't complete horse shit on literally everything. Gave it on honest try on my PC and Nexus 6P for a month. It was a pretty brutal month
I just wish Apple Music wasn't complete horse shit on literally everything. Gave it on honest try on my PC and Nexus 6P for a month. It was a pretty brutal month
opticalmace
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I've never been super interested in an ipad but the high refresh rate display might put me over the edge.
entremet
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Responsiveness is great with touch screen GUI.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
HDR was just mentioned on a slide wonder if it's rubbish on iPad?
Apple's iTunes/App Store team is literally the shittiest designers and programmers they have based on how bad those apps have been for years.
Toadthemushroom
Member
I haven't once connected my iPhone to iTunes in 3-4 years.
iOS is getting "Files", a Files manager that has your local files, and cloud files, all in one place.
As for OS navigation, take a look at this.
That's an instant benefit you can see which is why I avoid slower screen these days.
Basically amount of time is much smaller between frames in this case 8ms vs 16ms.
Strobing is immense though you would need a 440hz monitor to take on a light boost one at 100hz and about 600hz to take on one at 120hz. Insane what they are walking from considering it will be outright fantasy to think of monitors that fast existing.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
120hz should reduce LCD blurring a LOT, no? It's kind of a pain point on an ipads so far, they blur quite a bit when you scroll full screen around.
120hz on a PSVR sure is something else in terms of smoothness and lack of blur, but then again that's OLED.
120hz on a PSVR sure is something else in terms of smoothness and lack of blur, but then again that's OLED.
lol... one other manufacturer did it, only unquestionably the largest single manufacturing platform.. and they are LTTP. get outta here..
Doctoglethorpe
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Yeah man, everyone already has 120hrz Sharp smart phones. Apple so late.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Shame no OLED screen not really worth upgrading just for 120hz.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Apple spokeperson never even claimed they were the first with 120hz mobile screen - they claimed they are most likely the first with a variable refresh mobile device screen - which as far as I know is true.
TetraGenesis
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I wanted to upgrade from my 16GB Air 2 for a while and this would definitely be the one to do it (HDR and 120hz on a tablet??) but since then I bought an HP Spectre x360 15 laptop which converts to a tablet with a stylus and I hardly use my iPad anymore. An iPad is a much better tablet experience but I just couldn't justify the price of an upgrade if I have so many redundant technologies.
When is this coming out?
Apple can do no good in the eyes of a certain group of people.
So basiscally a 120hz screen with a similar functions to gsync/freesync it's even more impressive now.
Yes it does reduce. The reason some oled do well in the area you're mentionig is because they use strobing. This article by blurbusters goes more in to why. Not all oled are low pixel persistence vita isn't while the PSVR is.
Ideally any manufacturer tackling this issue wants a fast screen then strobing to get maximum benefit.
Here are some nice photos on the subject.
You can argue if you want there isn't as much as a benefit, yet it clear from photos taken from hi res hi speed cameras you can see tangible benefits. The UFO disc and it's eyes are much more visible at 120hz than they are at 60hz.
Blurbusters is basically what I use to show people real difference in the refreshrate or ULMB. Games are nice but it's hard when they lack benchmarks built for it.
Sir Abacus
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120Hz ROG laptop with Gsync from late 2016
OP's thread title so wrong. Saying it's the first variable refresh mobile device screen is so wrong.
OP's thread title so wrong. Saying it's the first variable refresh mobile device screen is so wrong.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Laptops are typically not being addressed as "mobile" devices (huge laptops especially, I'd add). Mobile device in general discussion usually assumes a phone or a tablet that you can use while moving around.
I don't know of any other phone/tablet with a variable refresh screen - if that's really the case, what they said is not wrong.
Ephemeris
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same here
IchigoSharingan
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I don't quite understand the logic behind this post.
IchigoSharingan
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Files + high refresh = I'm moving my tablet needs to Apple asap.
this fucking thread
StereoVsn
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I have an Air 2 but the new much better display which is also larger in same base size, 256GB storage for large but still manageable pricing, much faster CPU/GPU compared to Air 2 are pushing me over.
The refresh rate and much lower latency is super important for note taking/drawing as well.
Plus I need an Apple device to keep at 10.3.x for a while for 32 bit apps and I can give it to my kids. This is going to be rough on the wallet come the Fall (sorry Switch, you will have to wait).
I wonder if iPhone 7s Plus or 8 will have 120hz refresh as well. Also, Pencil support on that iPhone 8 would be pretty cool.