My knowledge of Moore is mostly second-hand I got from reading other poster's view...so I can't comment on that.
Miller, tho? Absolutely not but that's only because Batman would be the one committing the act.
Fucking look at that grin.
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Miller, tho? Absolutely not but that's only because Batman would be the one committing the act.
Fucking look at that grin.
Doctor Decimate
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Mining the print material is arguably what they did with BvS by injecting so much of The Dark Knight Returns. They just fucked it up completely.
Plasticine
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Pity that. The world needs a Verhoeven adaptation of All Star Batman and Robin.
Evil's Bane
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I think they missed out a bunch on why The Dark Knight Returns worked, most of which has to do with the time period it released in imo.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Oh man, how hilarious would that be.
Mining the print material doesn't just mean mining the images.
Take away the visuals (e.g. Batman's armor, Superman's casket) and BvS adapts nothing from any existing DC comic storyline I can think of.
Bobby Roberts
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Most studios, for their theatrically released superhero fare, seem allergic to the notion of directly adapting the graphic novels/story arcs that are very successful in shining a light on the best aspects of these characters.
They just... don't do it. Pretty much refuse to, in fact.
Marvel's got their lane, obviously. Pretty much paved the whole freeway, really.
Fox has discovered their lane, which is the same lane Warners keeps trying to drunk drive into
Sony's decided to basically draft off Marvel's wake directly.
What are those three studios NOT doing that you can do and do well?
They're all not adapting their source material directly
They're all not aiming specifically at families
They're all not considering big-budget animation as a viable option.
Superhero films have been big business (some of the biggest, period) over the last 20 years and yet that lane is still completely unoccupied. (Sony's about to try it first, though)
Yet WB is going to continue trying to take some of the most iconic and inspirational stable of godlike superheroes (I don't mean the adjective godlike in the hyperbolically complimentary way it gets used here sometime, I mean literally deity-like) and swerving them drunkenly into Fox's lane and scraping all the paint against the guardrail.
Fox is doing what WB wants to do with their characters. Which makes WB's failure all the more pointed if they really are looking at Marvel and trying to replicate that. Because it means threw a fat dart at one target and wound up barely glancing off the board one over before quailing to the floor and sticking there.
They just... don't do it. Pretty much refuse to, in fact.
Marvel's got their lane, obviously. Pretty much paved the whole freeway, really.
Fox has discovered their lane, which is the same lane Warners keeps trying to drunk drive into
Sony's decided to basically draft off Marvel's wake directly.
What are those three studios NOT doing that you can do and do well?
They're all not adapting their source material directly
They're all not aiming specifically at families
They're all not considering big-budget animation as a viable option.
Superhero films have been big business (some of the biggest, period) over the last 20 years and yet that lane is still completely unoccupied. (Sony's about to try it first, though)
Yet WB is going to continue trying to take some of the most iconic and inspirational stable of godlike superheroes (I don't mean the adjective godlike in the hyperbolically complimentary way it gets used here sometime, I mean literally deity-like) and swerving them drunkenly into Fox's lane and scraping all the paint against the guardrail.
Fox is doing what WB wants to do with their characters. Which makes WB's failure all the more pointed if they really are looking at Marvel and trying to replicate that. Because it means threw a fat dart at one target and wound up barely glancing off the board one over before quailing to the floor and sticking there.
If Thor 3 does better than JL...the threads on that are going to be glorious.
It would truly be something else for people not going into it expecting how insane and mind boggling stupid it will be.
Bobby Roberts
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Ragnarok is almost certain to be a better, more entertaining, more satisfying movie than Justice League.
I absolutely expect that to be the case.
have you watched Thor 1 & 2
Bobby Roberts
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Do you know who is writing and directing Ragnarok?
Because that matters a hell of a lot more than whatever happened previously.
have you watched man of steel and bvs
Clive Owen as All Star Batman needs to be a thing.
I don't doubt that one bit. I'm sure Marvel is aware of the problems Thor 2 had. It will review better. But if it makes more money too...DC could be in bigger trouble than even we realize. I worry they are starting to devalue their biggest characters to the public. The box office will tell
I honestly thinking all this drama from WB is coming out because of Justice League. They must not have much faith in it since it's all in post production now.
-Plasma Reus-
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It wont.
What factor leads you to believe it will, honestly. Same director and even worse, the same writer. Heck, the cinematographer from BVS is gone, so even arguably the best thing about the movie will no longer be there. It will actually be worse than BVS, definitely when it comes to the look of the film.
Most superhero films wish they could look like BvS. God damn was that pretty at points.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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The biggest mistake WB made regarding Justice League was scheduling the start of the shoot two weeks after BvS came out. It gave them no time to adjust but probably made them nervous enough to fuck with whatever plan Snyder had. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being worse than BvS. I do hope I'm wrong of course.
Based on the last season of Game of Thrones, it will likely still be a nice looking movie, but yeah, I don't actually think it's going to be very good.
I'm just wondering what impact it has on the decision making process at Warner Brothers if it ends up reviewing well. They probably have to stay the course either way I guess.
Dash_Riprock
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I cannot fathom JL being worse than BvS. Maybe if Snyder gets his wish and Batman is sodomized on screen...
Bobby Roberts
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I think one of Justice League's biggest problems is that all of its ingredients suggest a very specific kind of dish, and they will instead be used to make something that tastes different.
Basically - imagine this creative team assembling all the pieces for something cool and badass and being told that you have to make these cool, badass people also be lighthearted jokers. In the environment they've built and established. In the universe they've created and populated.
It's like asking the taciturn right tackle on your high school football team to get up at a talent show and do 20 minutes of stand-up before ripping a phonebook in half.
Basically - imagine this creative team assembling all the pieces for something cool and badass and being told that you have to make these cool, badass people also be lighthearted jokers. In the environment they've built and established. In the universe they've created and populated.
It's like asking the taciturn right tackle on your high school football team to get up at a talent show and do 20 minutes of stand-up before ripping a phonebook in half.
Everything goes back to normal and a lot of people that love DC properties stop the persecution complex. It's really getting bad, but once both sides are delivering movies people like again, we can all go back to liking the good films from DC and Marvel and laughing at Thor.
Paradise.
The DCEU limps forward.
The true test of its viability will be films like Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The films that don't have Batman in them, basically - the hope of the DCEU is that these characters get some of Batman's box office results via osmosis.
Messofanego
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I can see Justice League being worse than Batman vs Superman. Maybe the added humour will be the main positive coming out of it. And Aquaman finally being cool? lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Just pay Nolan whatever the fuck he wants.
Or get Wally Pfister.
Or get Wally Pfister.
shira
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Batman fell down the well with both arms and legs cutoff. Fat from a diet of fish tacos.
There ain't no coming back from this.
-Plasma Reus-
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Too true.
I'm expecting Thor 3, GOTG2, and Spidey to all outgross Justice League. I don't even think it'll be close. Justice League will do worse than BvS.
Nolan had no suggestions, he just didn't agree on killing Zod and then Goyer and Snyder talked him into it and he gave the okay. But sure, just make up shit. That's cool too.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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God no. Wally Pfister is a great cinematographer, no doubt, but his directorial debut sucked and he's done jack shit of any note since then. He shouldn't have got off that Nolan gravy train.
Strangelove77
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Everybody wins, both DC and Marvel fans. It's what we all want.
No freakin way. Short of Batman getting prison violated and Superman murdering Wonder Woman I can't imagine a scenario where Justice League is worse than the nadir of the genre, otherwise known as Batman v Superman.
cartographer
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It won't. I think it will likely be better and far more interesting, but Thor 3's ceiling and JL floor are probably pretty close.
BvS was terrible and likely fell well short of WB's expectations, but it still got a high number. JL would have to be really terrible and audiences would have to start caring far more about how terrible it is for it be short of Thor 3.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
How bout getting Joe Shoemaker to direct a Batman movie again?
George Oscar Bluth II
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PanSexual_Peacock
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Based on every thread about the DCEU, I doubt it. Seems like most people want it to fail so they can reboot it again.
Mushroomer25
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have you watched batman vs superman
Thor 1 is one of the most boring superhero films I've ever seen, but it's on another scale of quality over anything in DC's current cinematic canon.
They're both better than Thor bruh.
Piku_Ringo
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But he's just a kid
No I meant the dude who directed that Batman Forever movie.
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