Maninthemirror
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That was a shockingly bad movie
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BBC announces the top 100 American films of all time according to critics
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That was a shockingly bad movie
Z..
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It's a loose adaptation of thus spoke zarathustra, once you get to terms with the whole Übermensch mythos behind it, it becomes 100 times better. It's as close to Tarkovsky as american cinema ever got, thematically. Give it another go with that in mind, maybe you'll change your mind.
As for my cardinal sin... fuck Godard up the ass.
Fancy Clown
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You shut your dirty whore mouth
Skiptastic
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I certainly hope you weren't one of the voters.
People hating on Citizen Kane makes no sense to me. Yes, it's a safe pick. But I watched it recently and it still impressed me with its cinematography, the acting, the trip of watching a man become what he hated. The blocking alone and how people end up where they do when they do in every single shot is just so goddamn impressive. You'd have thought it was Welles' fifth or sixth film, but it was his debut.
Orson Welles is a goddamn national treasure.
ViewtifulJC
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The best analysis of Jaws I've read actually came from a website that specialized in bad movies. I guess when you watch a lot of junk you start to appreciate the good stuff like water in the desert.
(Jaws is GOAT like real talk)
(Jaws is GOAT like real talk)
Arthur C Clarke's novel was easier to follow
The movie wasn't hard to follow by any means.
Z..
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Earned, not given.
MisterR
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Nah, in general there haven't been many truly great movies made lately. Those old movies for the most part stand way above current films.
MisterR
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You have God awful taste in film.
TheStruggler
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I have to agree I love 2 but something always pushes me to like 1 jus a bit more and I am not sure what it is or why. Maybe its the absence of Brando's character even though he passed in part 1, when I picture godfather the whole as a series I see Brando in the dark lit room with swollen cheeks and a kitten on his lap, then michael killing the cop and gang member in the cafe
You just called it a convoluted mess...
Convoluted can also mean folded or twisted, not necessarily hard to follow.
Inception is also a convoluted mess, but is also easy to follow from beginning to end.
You should be happy that the Dark Knight got on the list at all. The reason the movies on there are old movies is because they have stood the test of time.
The fact that Dark Knight made the list over actual classics like Terminator 2 and Alien should be considered a miracle. How the fuck does that happen?
It's always nice when someone takes the time to discredit their opinion in the same post.
No doubt! Everyone knows Man with the Iron Fists 2 is better
Z..
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I absolutely love it when people project their own shortcomings onto the film medium. Bland films are forgotten, poweful ones are remembered. Though they may be archaic in construction or primitive in their approach, these films have earned a name in the history books because they are powered by intemporal vision. You don't understand it because you have no respect for the art form and seek only entertainment, and thus, when disappointed because an old film didn't deliver something you expected and take for granted, you assume it doesn't hold up because your priorities are twisted. It's not even about age, either, I can imagine you'd react the same to any contemporary auteur like Zvyagintsev or Ceylan. You step into a world you are not equiped to understand and try to judge it using the wrong set of rules.
Do I assume too much?
alfredofroylan
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Are you Armond White?
ViewtifulJC
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Z.. pls
This isn't a list of a bunch of rudderless esoteric foreign art films from the '60s. They're mostly big fuckin' Hollywood productions, designed for mass entertainment.
This isn't a list of a bunch of rudderless esoteric foreign art films from the '60s. They're mostly big fuckin' Hollywood productions, designed for mass entertainment.
neogaffer1
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^pretty much
Nappuccino
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Either you're trolling, or you don't understand what makes a good movie a good movie.
Z..
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I see Vertigo, 2001, Citizen Kane and Sunrise in the top 10 alone, with plenty of others peppered throughout the list and though they may not be foreign, they are most definitely art films. So that's not a fair assessment. There's plenty of both.
Bobby Roberts
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Starting to wonder if Z is actually Costa-Gavras.
I think it's clear from his parenthetical that he means the latter.
I think it's clear from his parenthetical that he means the latter.
ViewtifulJC
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I'm sure somebody somewhere has made an argument for Citizen Kane being a bad movie. Its just nobody has ever read it before.
Voysa Reezun
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Some Like it Hot being top thirty pleases me greatly.
This might sound crazy, but I think Blazing Saddles is the greatest American comedy ever and should also have been top thirty by virtue of me thinking that it's even better a comedy than Some Like it Hot.
EDIT: Also thought There Will Be Blood, True Grit, and No Country for Old Men deserved spots, certainly before something like The Dark Knight, West Side Story, or Thelma and Louise.
This might sound crazy, but I think Blazing Saddles is the greatest American comedy ever and should also have been top thirty by virtue of me thinking that it's even better a comedy than Some Like it Hot.
EDIT: Also thought There Will Be Blood, True Grit, and No Country for Old Men deserved spots, certainly before something like The Dark Knight, West Side Story, or Thelma and Louise.
Nappuccino
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I just . . . want to pretend that no one could like Movie 43.
I'm definitely surprised that the Coen's didn't make the list at all. I wonder if their sensibilities are just slightly too "off" for the critics in question?
It's odd because I've always felt that Coen brother's movies are all quintessentially American with a capital A. They drench often cynical farces in a blinding optimism that really defines American attitudes, especially pre 2008.
not psycho
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12 Angry Men, The Big Sleep, The Life Aquatic, Alien, The Sound of Music, Swing Time, No Country for Old Men, Fargo, should all be in the top 30, instead none made the list. No Coen brothers at all is weird (which I see others have noticed too).
I've seen Singin' in the Rain, Double Indemnity, and Wizard of Oz recently, and all of them are ranked way too high.
Wait a second, I've also just seen The Band Wagon. It is inconceivable to have that ranked ahead of Swing Time or even Top Hat. Terrible list.
I've seen Singin' in the Rain, Double Indemnity, and Wizard of Oz recently, and all of them are ranked way too high.
Wait a second, I've also just seen The Band Wagon. It is inconceivable to have that ranked ahead of Swing Time or even Top Hat. Terrible list.
kerotan_eater
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There's 6 in the top 100 actually. Just 1 in the top 50 though.
Plinko
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I've asked 5 people about what they thought happened at the end, and I got five different answers. That's obtuse.
:lol at my "ignorance." The ending is trash and the movie is beyond boring. It looks great. That's it.
This I can agree with.
Nappuccino
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That's what I'm thinking is their problem: Their films are a bit too American to be relatable at large?
My problem with it is that it's not bad at all - it's still a very good film.
My problem is that so many others since then have done so much better.
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Nappuccino
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At a certain point though, films are also regarded for their place in filmic history. I hope no one thinks Star Wars is on the list because it is one of the best movies ever. It's a good-to-great movie that has a pretty important context for cinema.
Loling hard at putting Star Wars ANH on the list instead of ESB especially when the OP explicitly states thats it is not based on which films are deemed to be important. Empire Strikes Back is not only the greatest Star Wars film by a LARGE margin, but one of the best sci-fi/action films of all time.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Eyes Wide Shut is one of the 5 best films of one of the 4 or 5 best American directors.
Edit: If you fall asleep watching Citizen Kane, you are the problem. Overrated within the Welles canon, but a GREAT movie, period, and a ferociously entertaining one, to boot.
Jack Remington
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2001 is a bottom-tier Kubrick movie, real talk. There's a really solid middle hour in there though.
Fancy Clown
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I think you mean ambiguous rather than obtuse. Just because the film is more about nonverbal storytelling doesn't mean it's dickishly withholding pertinent information. There's plenty that the film shows you that you can come up with a pretty good idea of what's going on in the ending.
Z..
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Sure. Carry on believing your own shortsighted analysis. The ending is kubrick's answer to nietzsche's ubermensch. Like the monolith kickstarted the dawn of man, so too will this event kickstart mankind's renaissance. Ignorance is absolutely correct (and not meant as an insult) as the movie requires previous knowledge of Zarathursta to be understood. Because you are ignorant of such, you could not understand the film. It's peppered throughout with references, nods and symbolism that can only be understood and put into context if you understand what you're watching. It's one of the best endings ever, to call it trash because you could not understand it is silly.
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