victimroyalty
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Well, sure there are limits but I really couldn't say it would sway me to purchase or not purchase a game. I worry more about the game itself and not the frames per second.
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Bethesda is being extremely shady about The Evil Within's PC framerate
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Well, sure there are limits but I really couldn't say it would sway me to purchase or not purchase a game. I worry more about the game itself and not the frames per second.
legacyzero
Banned
Or maybe they're simply voting with their wallet? People do that.
This makes me wonder even more why they would use the engine to begin with
-MD-
Member
I agree that 30fps is ridiculous on a PC game but the part I don't get is that people come off as if they're going to just forget the game exists because it's 30fps. I like 60fps as much as the next guy but I'm not gonna skip a game because of it, especially if it's the only option available.
In any case, I just wish Bethesda would open their fucking mouths and tell us already, I'd rather not see threads like this leading up to launch.
Edit: I tweeted or twittered or whatever people call it, what a dumb website name.
Something that directly affects the playability of the game does not bother you? Ok then.
demosthenes
Member
Really, don't you think you're exaggerating here a bit?
What if the game turns out to be a solid experience, not even $5 would sway you?
Shadow Broker
Banned
Keep in mind that I know jack shit about PC gaming.
Isn't one of the benefits of PC gaming is that the Frame Rate and resolutions can be upgraded to some pointless levels?
Shrugs...
I thought this would be more a issue with the console versions.
Isn't one of the benefits of PC gaming is that the Frame Rate and resolutions can be upgraded to some pointless levels?
Shrugs...
I thought this would be more a issue with the console versions.
Given the insanely large permutations of CPU, GPU, driver, RAM, OS, resident programs, capture, etc for PC... it's hard to nail down a guarantee.
Devs either overshoot for safety (Shadow of Mordor), be purposefully vague, or be near-exact but get burned because some rigs with that baseline don't meet the expected FPS.
30fps can't give a solid experience.
Gumbie
Member
Developers can still lock the FPS if they choose. Need for Speed Rivals was the latest one to do this.
legacyzero
Banned
I agree, but I know I wouldn't be as hyped for the game if it locked to 30.
But yeah, you'd think Bethesda would want to ....avoid this debate..... >.>
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
I'm fine with whatever on consoles. You do what you gotta do to get the game you want running on the consoles. On PC... there's no excuse for it. Has nothing to do with this generation. Locked frame-rate and resolutions on PC was unacceptable last gen also.
sure. and they are still not playing a game they wanted to play in the first place. just like I think that saying "I cant even see the difference between 30 and 60fps" is ridiculous, I also think saying "30fps is unplayable" just as ridiculous
game looks awesome in trailers and videos. Do I want it at 60fps? fuck yes I do, hell Im buying a new rig very soon to run games like this. Would I all of a sudden stop wanting to play the game ive been seeing on trailers just because it runs on the same frame rate as a console? fuck no
demosthenes
Member
Ridiculous.
Oh, I'm with you there, but really, I don't give a shit what someone else does with their money. If they wanna boycott because of a bullshit framerate cap on PC then all the more power to them. No skin off my back.
MacH1nation
Member
Considering how the hardcore responds whenever the issue of 'parity' comes up, I'm not surprised he's ducking the issue. Why not stave off the flood of tweets and posts about pc users being cheated and console hindering pc development for as long as possible?
-MD-
Member
Come on, son.
Nobody is really asking for a guarantee. Just asking if the game is restricted or not. That's not something that needs a ton of variables to answer, especially a week from release.
3DimensionalAperture
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That's a giant load of bullshit and you know it. That's like saying Ocarina of Time wasn't a "solid experience" because it ran at 24 FPS.
Anyone settling for a locked fps cap on pc, yeah, ridiculous.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
$10 Summer Sale 2015 it is, then.
Syphon Filter
Member
Not ideal ; )
I wouldn't. Sometimes you need to show some backbone and stand up for your principles.
I wont let some dev lock me down while I have hardware capable of running it much better than their imposed limits. Two Words. Fuck 'um.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
you guys should tweet Matt Grandstaff, @gstaffinfection
he's Beth's CM.
he's Beth's CM.
Pretty much, that game ran like shit.
victimroyalty
Banned
Never said that. What I said was that I simply don't care about it to the extent that some of you do. Ok?
I want PC games to have good options, like the ones Durante mentions in his PC gamer article. But I also want more Japanese developers to support the platform day and date.
So my solution is buy these games, support them, but also ask that they start being more conscientious of these sorts of options. Boycotting their games does nothing to solve the problem in my opinion.
Worse comes to worse, I'm pretty sure my i7 and Geforce 780 will run this better than my PS4.
So my solution is buy these games, support them, but also ask that they start being more conscientious of these sorts of options. Boycotting their games does nothing to solve the problem in my opinion.
Worse comes to worse, I'm pretty sure my i7 and Geforce 780 will run this better than my PS4.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Okay, so they expect me to have 4 gigs of vram and won't tell me if it'll be 30 or 60 on PC.
Guess I'll just pick it up on PS4 and buy for PC during the inevitable sale...
I only have 2 gigs.
Guess I'll just pick it up on PS4 and buy for PC during the inevitable sale...
Aren't the 60fps id5 games limited to 60 too though? When we're all gaming on 120hz monitors, this shit will feel limited as well.
My point being, if idtech5 so far only worked at 60, it would make sense that, when they alter the engine to work at 30, it would only work at 30.
It sucks, but some times there's not really an option. The Naruto games for example have their animations tied to the framerate, so if it runs below 30 it'll slow down, and if it runs over, it'll speed up, so, while 30fps still sucks, it's either that or not having those games on PC at all.
My point being, if idtech5 so far only worked at 60, it would make sense that, when they alter the engine to work at 30, it would only work at 30.
It sucks, but some times there's not really an option. The Naruto games for example have their animations tied to the framerate, so if it runs below 30 it'll slow down, and if it runs over, it'll speed up, so, while 30fps still sucks, it's either that or not having those games on PC at all.
demosthenes
Member
The original post was talking about spending $5 on a game later on, that's not settling, that's waiting and getting it for dirt cheap.
And yes, many games through out gaming history have been 30FPS and have still been a solid experience. If for some reason the PC is locked at 30FPS I'm sure if everything else about the game is great, it's still a great game.
:lol, carry on.
Poimandres
Member
Some people (not me!) are extremelly sensitive to frame rates and refuse to play racing games or whatever that are 30fps. That's their choice.
With a lowly 2 gig 670, there's next to know chance I'd be able to dream of running this at 60fps anyway but a big part of the appeal of buying games on PC is that they are "future proofed". Hell, if there's a 60fps option and performance is abysmal with top of the line hardware it should be included anyway. These kinds of arbitrary restrictions shit me off big time.
That said, unless a port is borderline broken/seriously borked I wouldn't pass up a game I'm interested in. I will be taking a "wait and see" approach with this game, because I'm concerned if performance will be at an acceptable level.
-MD-
Member
That guy is well aware that people want to know, he even posts on GAF. He hasn't said a word.
In my personal situation I ended up pre-ordering Evil Within after a close race between Civilization, Lords of the Fallen, or Bayonetta 2.
The reduced opportunity cost that a potential 30 FPS framerate brings could easily push me towards some of these other games. I would still pick up Evil Within, but at a substantially reduced price.
I was looking for his Twitter handle and couldn't find him. I'll add to the OP.
I sent him a PM on GAF earlier this evening to see if he could shed some light on the issue.
I'd rather get it on PS4 @ 30fps than buy a PC game with a 30fps cap. It's just not something I have any interest in doing regardless of the game quality. Call it stupid if you want but if we start supporting 30fps capped PC games it's only going to give the message that 30fps caps are ok. They're not, they're a shitstain on the PC community.
Fact of the matter is, you can always return a console game. You don't have that same luxury with PC games in many scenarios.
I was going along with the same line of thinking as well.
In past games, the gameplay was directly tied to the framerate. Reducing that framerate to 30 without decoupling the logic will just result in the same issue, but at half the frames.
Pretty sure? It would have to be one terrible port.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Here's the thing, is that it's a Bethesda game. This isn't some random Japanese developer saying "I'll try a PC version".
I want this game as much as anyone, 30 or 60 but enough is enough. Quit trying to deceive people and give us a damn answer. If people want (and rightly expect) 60fps on PC, it needs to be said now. This is Bethesda acting like scum and if it wasn't a Mikami game I'd be skipping it.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Just saying, you can get refunds from GMG with pre-orders.
Like fuck it can't.
-MD-
Member
Pretty sure you can get a refund if you didnt get your key from GMG yet which you haven't.
There's no fucking chance I'm not playing this game on launch though, 60fps or not.
SargerusBR
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Coffee Dog
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