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Car problems, need advice

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Hello,

I own three cars. Two of them are really starting to show their age. The older cars need monthly repairs in excess of $300 USD.

My first car is a 2002 Toyota Camry. It has 182,000 miles on it and it failed the California smog test. I have shown it to three different mechanics and no one has been able to figure out what is causing it to fail. The smog test report states the following:
- Catalyst Not Ready
- EVAP system not ready
- Check Engine Light Code P0171 - Bank 1 Too Lean.

One mechanic was asking me to change all of my injectors. Another was asking me to change my catalytic convertor and put a new fuel tank. Another told me it's my intake manifold gasket, mass air-flow sensor, and two of the injectors needing replacement and a vacuum leak (but can't figure out where).

If I can't get it fixed soon my registration for the car will expire at the end of the month. At that point I have to make it non-op or retire the vehicle. I would like to not do either of those things since the car still run beautifully.

Anyone here run into such an issue? If yes, what did you do? I estimate my car is worth $2500 USD and I would get about $1000 from the government if I retire it.

My second car is a 2004 Hyundai Sonata. It has about 162,000 miles on it and is worth $1200 per Kelly Blue Book. It passed smog, but it needs repairs for the following:
- Power Steering Pump : $500
- Front struts replacement: $350
- Rear struts replacement: $350

Now, someone hit the car in the parking lot. So my rear quarter panel and rear passenger door now have huge dents and major, deep scratches. Since the car is so old, I only kept liability only insurance. I've asked five different places for repair estimates and all of them essentially quoted me $1500-2000.

At this point, I don't feel it's worth pouring that kind of money into the car. But that means I have TWO cars that need to replaced. And right now, I'm trying to buy a home in the next six months. To make matters worse, no one is willing to give me anything over $200 for my Hyundai. Maybe get two really cheap cars with cash that have passed smog and hope they last a few years without major issues?

Am I fucked or is there some other option that I haven't seen/explored?
 

noquarter

Member
So you have one car that is fine?

Why do you need three cars? Can't you just drive the one car?

Couldn't you just fix the fuel pump on the Hyundai and drive that. Just drive it til it breaks.

As for the Toyota, I would say get rid of it. If you know someone that can help you change the catalytic converter, that might help, but it sounds like that is going to be a money sink.

Sell both and get a cheap car that does pass inspection? That is what I would do.
 

HariKari

Member
If you don't want the cash crunch of repairs, donate the Camry and drive the Hyundai until it dies. You can get by without struts and power steering. Cosmetic problems don't matter. Learn to live with one car or get something else that's cheap like you said. edit: why do you have three cars?

If the car is running too lean and throwing a code it's probably the MAF and injectors, so the mechanics aren't wrong. It's just not worth the cash to fix if you can live with the Hyundai temporarily.
 
I have three cars because:
- I drive the Hyundai Sonata
- My wife drives the Camry
- My third car is a Honda Odyssey van that my mom drives.
 

SatansReverence

Hipster Princess
If you don't want the cash crunch of repairs, donate the Camry and drive the Hyundai until it dies. You can get by without struts and power steering. Cosmetic problems don't matter. Learn to live with one car or get something else that's cheap like you said. edit: why do you have three cars?

If the car is running too lean and throwing a code it's probably the MAF and injectors, so the mechanics aren't wrong. It's just not worth the cash to fix if you can live with the Hyundai temporarily.

Wow. please don't drive cars. I don't want people like you on the road...

As for those costs on the Sonata, wtf? A working second hand p/s pump shouldn't even cost $100. Struts shouldn't cost that much either particularly in America.

The Camry, a cat converter should not be difficult to change. Take it to an exhaust specialist. They probably even have useable secondhand ones there. A lean condition can be caused by dodgy maf, injectors or O2 sensors. All pretty easy and cheap fixes.

The evap issue could be something like a carbon canistor needs replacing/servicing.
 

robochimp

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I have the exact same problem as the Camry on a 2000 Toyota Avalon.

Your first two issues with the not ready status are just due to not having driven the car long enough after resetting the error codes.

We had a few sensors replaced for the too lean error and it the check engine would come on the next day. For a long shot I replaced the gas cap, it was 15 years old at that point so why not. That actually kept the error code away for two weeks which gave us enough time to pass emissions.

There were other options where I live, if you fail and your registration is up you could buy a temporary 30 registration. If you keep failing but you have spent a certain amount to attempt a repair they let you bypass emissions and register your car.
 
The prices I have in the OP is parts + labor. I'm not going to attempt changing the power steering pump and struts myself.

I will look into getting injectors professionally cleaned on my Camry, changing the O2 sensors, and then taking it to a dealer to have them find the vacuum leak.

For my Sonata. I'll just keep it for now with the damage. But I will have to bite the bullet on the necessary repairs.
 

dalin80

Banned
Bank one is an oxygen sensor.

Probably, best bet is to go into live data and make sure the lambda reading is switching correctly once it goes closed loop. If the lambda has been running out of spec for too long it can damage the catalytic converter but you won't be able to test it until your sort the error code.

If the car has a post cat lambda (bank 1 sensor 2 o2) you should be able to see if the cat is working efficiently.
 
Probably, best bet is to go into live data and make sure the lambda reading is switching correctly once it goes closed loop. If the lambda has been running out of spec for too long it can damage the catalytic converter but you won't be able to test it until your sort the error code.

If the car has a post cat lambda (bank 1 sensor 2 o2) you should be able to see if the cat is working efficiently.
Yes the Camry has a two O2 sensors. An upstream and downstream. I have replaced the upstream sensor myself. The downstream I haven't replaced yet. It's $30 on Amazon. I'll be ordering that soon.
 

T.v

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Wow. please don't drive cars. I don't want people like you on the road...

As for those costs on the Sonata, wtf? A working second hand p/s pump shouldn't even cost $100. Struts shouldn't cost that much either particularly in America.

The Camry, a cat converter should not be difficult to change. Take it to an exhaust specialist. They probably even have useable secondhand ones there. A lean condition can be caused by dodgy maf, injectors or O2 sensors. All pretty easy and cheap fixes.

The evap issue could be something like a carbon canistor needs replacing/servicing.

He's not entirely wrong though, at least not about the power steering.
 
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