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CBS: Officials intercepted Manafort speaking to Russians about the 2016 campaign
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Not sure if this statistic helps, but 38% of Americans make less than $24,000, so for a family with one kid ($20,160) they're in poverty.
Fenderputty
Banned
Pure carbon, my man
Typhoon_Ex
Member
Just out of curiosity, has any actual evidence been released, or just "he said, she said, we got proof, but still working on it"?
I'd love to hear something on the level of that leaked Nuland-Pyatt telephone call during the Ukrain Maidan.
I'd love to hear something on the level of that leaked Nuland-Pyatt telephone call during the Ukrain Maidan.
theAntagonist
Member
I agree with all you've said here totally. It's like a perfect storm of factors, within America as well as globally. I think Hillary's also said as much recently when commenting on her book and all this shit.
Delusional may not be the right word, maybe brazen hubris.
Its way past my bedtime at this point, but I'll probably articulate more later.
Angelus Errare
Banned
With the pressure he's under surely he's diamond.
Fenderputty
Banned
Yoshimitsu126
Member
GOP needs to be held accountable for this. We can't just let them keep gettig away with this.
Sadly they will. Probably dump Trump and point fingers at him and then do the same thing for the next election with another president
CanUKlehead
Member
To quote that SNL bit they did after he admitted firing Comey cause of Russia, "it doesn't matter. Nothing matters anymore."
titiklabingapat
Member
Yeah, Americans seem to have the political attention span of about 6 years.
SoulUnison
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Big Baybee
Member
I can't fucking wait for everything to be laid out. What a day that will be.
Dubbedinenglish
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is getting leaked out to isolate Manafort so he flips. Can't imagine anyone wants to go near him right now.
MeatGrinder
Member
I believe it's going to be a whole lot of nothing as always.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's an awfully vague paragraph.
brianmcdoogle
Member
You folks see that flashing sign up there? Now, that sign says: "Applesauce." No, no, I'm kidding. It says "treason." Ray, do me a favor. Could you flick that once? All right. Now remember. You're all a big part of the show, so the better you are, the better Larry is. You see this gentleman? He's giving me this sign and it says, "We're on in ten seconds." So get ready to have a good time. All right, here we go. This is exciting, isn't it?
sleepnaught
Member
Like the dozen or so other Russian Revelations, nothing will come of this. I'd honestly be surprised if even Manafort is indicted at this point.
I know Louise Mensch is crazy, but this is pretty much on the dot: https://patribotics.blog/2017/07/15...alled-into-a-trump-tower-russian-spy-meeting/
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Manafort is the frog in the pot and the waters getting hot
There's no tapes of someone in the Trump field (or Trump himself) going "Help us win, Russian Comrades", but there's plenty of smaller pieces of evidence that have come to light.
Bear in mind the Mueller's team is like a lawyer all star team that seems to add a new member every few weeks. His team aren't incompetent leaky morons like Trump and Co's laywers, they're legit smart, talented, and disciplined people and include people who are pros at getting people to flip on their bosses. When they decide it's time to play their hand then heads will roll. It's just not clear how many yet.
Here's the thing, say we jump to the future in a timeline where Trump is impeached because of smoking gun evidence of collusion with Russians to influence the election. Say it's on wiretaps from before the election. It seems as if the Obama administration held off on any action for fear of the perception of meddling or playing politics because they assumed Trump would lose.
The question going forward, in a bipartisan system, what can be done to preempt illegal actions taken by the opponent of the incumbent party ahead of an election, and how can these powers be guarded against abuse?
The FBI had a policy of not taking actions that could influence an election and we all saw how well that turned out.
The question going forward, in a bipartisan system, what can be done to preempt illegal actions taken by the opponent of the incumbent party ahead of an election, and how can these powers be guarded against abuse?
The FBI had a policy of not taking actions that could influence an election and we all saw how well that turned out.
gutter_trash
Banned
Shady Pro-Russia Yanukovich = still shady Russia
this is sarcasm right
There is a chance with actual wiretaps that other major GOP members might burn as well. The rumors of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel being involved have come up more then once over the last few months. The people who need to hold GOP accountable are the American public though. There should be millions camped out in Washington DC for weeks demanding the resignation of the entire Republican party from both houses of congress over their behavior with Trump and Healthcare.
Rule of law needs to take precedence over political perceptions. The PR hit from dealing with trump before his election does far less damage then him becoming president. The FBI should be following the rule of law and not thinking about the political perception, just serving justice in terms of election fraud. They have to stay neutral or the situation gets too messy too quick.
They said they definitely weren't wiretapping Trump.
legacyzero
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Trump: "QUICK, What's a shitty thing to I can do to divert attention to this!?
...BAN THE GAYS."
Almost feel inevitable that something comes out of this, even if they can't directly link it to Trump.
...BAN THE GAYS."
Almost feel inevitable that something comes out of this, even if they can't directly link it to Trump.
MetalGearZed
Member
If I was a betting man, I would have bet that Manafort would be the first card to fall if the house were to come down. I'm just glad that its getting more and more likely
Dubbedinenglish
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It's his campaign manager, no way Trump is not in the know.
At this point I'm just waiting for actual proof/evidence to be released or for some indictments to start coming down, or else it's just more of the same type of reports we've seen for awhile that lead to nothing.
It all sounds great, but there's been no action or consequences so far.
It all sounds great, but there's been no action or consequences so far.
There's like a 99% certainty that hard evidence exists. You pretty much need hard evidence to get some of the search warrants that have been used on Manafort
ElectricBlanketFire
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Why is conservative media reporting this as a win for Trump?
Dubbedinenglish
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This shaping up to be the most important criminal case in American history. The main target is also someone who can make Federal charges disappear, and a political party bent on protecting him. Mueller is also a former FBI director and has assembled a top team of lawyers and prosecutors, you don't get people to drop their lucrative lawyer lives for a witch hunt.
When he casts his net, he'll go for the school not a single fish. That's how these big investigations play. Look at the FIFA case and how it was handled, the evidence was under wraps until the FBI and interpol caught most of the accused in one location.
legacyzero
Banned
Trump and conservative media have been nothing but strange obfuscation in their message this entire time. It's so fucking BIZZARE.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Because they're idiots, that's why.
Gotta keep that base brainwashed.
Evidence that their Deep State persecution complex is real. Not that it holds up under the slightest bit of scrutiny, but how many people hearing that will even attempt?
TheCochese
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Scapegoat.
I wondered if it was "it" when we got the Trump Jr email about the meeting with the Russian lawyers about dirt on the Hillary campaign. The emails contained something like "this is obviously extremely sensitive information about collaboration between Russia and the Trump campaign".
Even if it looks like "it", there's still no way to tell if it is it unless you see Trump actually being pulled down by it.
From what I've seen, most are using it to prove that Trump was right about Trump Tower being wiretapped. It's also being spun to look like Obama lied to the American people by getting caught surveilling citizens.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
None of this will ever be enough for a GOP controlled Congress to impeach.
No matter what comes of this the only way Trump leaves the white house is if he's in cuffs. It's critical that Dems win majorities in 2018 because that's the only way we can finally end this madness.
No matter what comes of this the only way Trump leaves the white house is if he's in cuffs. It's critical that Dems win majorities in 2018 because that's the only way we can finally end this madness.
Because they frame it as proof that Trump had his wires "tapped" if there is indeed recorded conversations that involve Manafort, Russia, and Trump floating around out there. It's just misdirection from the real facts that are slowly coming out that Trump or Trump's name was probably (we don't know for sure at this time) involved in some of these phone calls or transcripts that had to be unmasked and his identity exposed to people with classified clearances.
It's a 100% completely bullshit framing of the narrative though. They're ignoring the fact that there's some really shady shit going on every step of the way toward's Trump's election win. And they'll be ignoring any of the facts Mueller brings forward as evidence too, I'm sure.
This is the same strategy the White House has been employing in regards to leakers. "Don't pay any attention to these real crimes we may or may not have (but what's a crime really, anyways?). Instead please focus on the evil fake news and these bad guy leakers trying to shine light on and expose those crimes. They're the real traitors!"
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Also, let's not fucking forget that if your communications are being monitored by government agencies like the FBI or special investigation teams, then there's probably a good reason for it and you've been involved with something that's raised an eyebrow. But conservatives who just wholesale believe the stuff they've been fed from Fox and friends will just be like "See, Obama was a BAD GUY! Poor Trump..."
Ziltoidia 9
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