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[Chairmanchuck]

Yeah, it's refreshing to see China's government focusing on the real, important issues over more trivial matters.

Falun Gong is a sect and in Germany can be even considered as one according to a 2005 court decision. What Falun Gong is doing is the same as the Chinese propaganda. They use the same counter-propaganda and lies that the Chinese government is using.
Check out their YouTube channel...

Li Hongzhi is a horrible person and not better than the Chinese government.

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To the topic at hand. Great news. Should be mandatory and actually would be in Germany, but as long as you dont sue, nothing will change.

Good on china. I'm surprised that the EU hasn't tackled this yet

Actually there are laws in some european countries, but if no one is actually sueing, the companies just continue ignoring that.

 

[StereoVsn]

Would this only apply to PC/Console online games but also mobile games? Since the issue is even worse in various gacha games which proliferate on the Asian markets.

 

[Tecnniqe]

When the hell did China become front for consumer protection?

This should be mandatory globally!

 

[Freeman76]

Arenanet are probably redfaced about this. Their loot box systems take the complete piss.

 

[chillybright]

I believe there's already similar legislation in Japan, and it did jack shit to reduce the number of lootbox based games. So, *shrug*

Wow, first Japan made people disclose their gacha rates and now China?

Asian lawmakers saving video games.

Really? When did Japan implement this?

 

[Mr. X]

When did China become pro-consumer?

 

[Iva Demilcol]

This is pretty good.

Other governments should do this as well.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Very reasonable demand. Darn gamble boxes.

 

[Hyun Sai]

Very good. Even if not loot boxes per se, I always remember the shady stuff Warframe devs did (lie on the probabilities) and were exposed for it.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Falun Gong is a sect and in Germany can be even considered as one according to a 2005 court decision. What Falun Gong is doing is the same as the Chinese propaganda. They use the same counter-propaganda and lies that the Chinese government is using.
Check out their YouTube channel...

Li Hongzhi is a horrible person and not better than the Chinese government.

Yeah, it's totally OK for governments to imprison, brainwash, torture and kill people in sects. Also torture, murder and organ harvesting is the same as spreading propaganda. SMFH, "GAF defense force for anything" indeed.

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

Great, should be the industry standard.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

That's pretty much what I've always wanted from Loot Boxes. Just let me know what's inside.

 

[TatteredHat]

Loot boxes are garbage, good to see China do something about it.

 

[Cindres]

Makes sense, in the UK scratch cards give the odds for each prize on the back, feels like the same sort of deal.

 

[HK-47]

People getting heated over cosmetic only loot boxes.

 

[duckroll]

Really? When did Japan implement this?

Ages ago. All mobile games are required to provide exact rates for gacha. It doesn't stop them from making tons of money. It's good to have transparent rates, but people thinking it will change the success of the business model don't know what they're talking about. This is about transparency and accountability. People throw the word "scam" around like they know what it means, the truth is, people like gambling, and it's not unknown odds which stop them from giving up gambling.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Ok, how long until Valve publishes their odds, I want to see just how bad it is for TF2 and CSGO, I have a decent idea of where Dota Stands.

We already have pretty close guesses for what the TF2 drop rates are:
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/ind...ve_series&redirect=no#Mayflower_Cosmetic_Case

Dunno about CS:GO.

 

[Mephala]

This is great. More information to the consumer. I suspect it'll turn some consumers away once they do the maths but it is necessary.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Very good. I'm interested to see the probability for Overwatch loot boxes and Hearthstone packs.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Ill be curious to hear the odds for some games.

 

[LeonSPBR]

That's awesome.

 

[squall23]

shouldnt slot machines do the same? do they in china?

Nope.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Ages ago. All mobile games are required to provide exact rates for gacha. It doesn't stop them from making tons of money. It's good to have transparent rates, but people thinking it will change the success of the business model don't know what they're talking about. This is about transparency and accountability. People throw the word "scam" around like they know what it means, the truth is, people like gambling, and it's not unknown odds which stop them from giving up gambling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglect_of_probability

 

[PdotMichael]

Yeah, it's totally OK for governments to imprison, brainwash, torture and kill people in sects. Also torture, murder and organ harvesting is the same as spreading propaganda. SMFH, "GAF defense force for anything" indeed.

Weltall Zero, please.

Don't eat up everything.

 

[Audioboxer]

Fucking yes. I've been arguing this has needed to be done for a while.

 

[Bluth54]

Its almost surreal how "accepted" lootboxes are nowadays.

They convinced people to spend a lot of money to get almost nothing back. Amazing.

Trading Card packs and blind boxes have been accepted for decades now, why would lootboxes be any different.

 

[Alienfan]

China seem to be at the forefront of a lot of things lately

 

[spekkeh]

Ghina really gets the cyber better than us.

Rip their own Tencent though?
(I have no clue how much of their income is based on lootboxes)

I doubt it would do much frankly. People who engage in gambling know the odds are stacked against them. But it might shine a light on something not everybody explicitly sees as gambling.

 

[Shengar]

Isn't loot boxes basically a glorified kompu gacha?

 

[Tecnniqe]

Yeah, it's totally OK for governments to imprison, brainwash, torture and kill people in sects. Also torture, murder and organ harvesting is the same as spreading propaganda. SMFH, "GAF defense force for anything" indeed.

Having your organs harvested is a little sacrifice for the greater good of RNG ball busting

 

[Weltall Zero]

Weltall Zero, please.

Don't eat up everything.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...95c05608059_story.html?utm_term=.ee4a73939757
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...val-torture-methods-against-opponents-amnesty
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/
http://www.upholdjustice.org/node/112
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
http://www.ishr.org/countries/peopl...tic-torture-in-the-peoples-republic-of-china/

I can "not eat up everything", but I can't rationally fail to "eat up anything". Reports of China's civil rights violations are readily available from any reputable source you care to mention, I shouldn't read them and then fail to update. Feel free, however, to cite reputable sources that say no violations exist at all, and I'll be happy to update the opposite way.

You can praise something for doing something right while criticizing at the same time when they do something wrong.

You realize the post I was replying to was "why can't all countries be like China", right?

For the record, I'm ready to drop the subject as it's off topic, but people seem to keep replying to me specifically.

 

[mclem]

The phrasing in the translation suggests this might apply to any random drop chance, not just pay-per-box gacha systems. Mistranslation, misreading, or would that mean (for example) WoW's boss drop data would come under the auspices of this?

 

[Alpha_eX]

China care more about loot drops than copyright laws.

I'm still bitter about the Fidget Cube.

 

[Inviusx]

Hearthstone about to be blown wide open.

 

[woodland]

Didnt Dota 2 vastly change how its economy works solely cause of places like China since it had so many players in that region?

Cause Valve's other 2 games need a shakeup like this.

Seems like it yes - went from chests w/ single items and being able to purchase items/sets directly to only chests that have "common" items, 1 "rare", and 1 "ultra rare". At about the same time, they took trading away from a lot of items released, changed their drop system, and started focusing on Chinese events like New Year's.

 

[patchday]

Chinese saving us just in time for the Christmas Overwatch event.

lmao!

Yeah this is a really great thing for gamers. Usually we already know the chances through data mining (I opened 100 packs and got 7 legendaries so we do math from there). But still it's a good thing for gamers

 

[TissueBox]

Well...huh.

 

[Fuz]

Very good.

Hope the rest of the world will adopt it too.

 

[Akuun]

Awesome. Having these laws catch up to these newer forms of feeding gambling addictions is a good thing for everyone.

 

[Permanently A]

CHINA DO CARE

 

[Kouriozan]

This is a good thing and should be adopted worldwide.

 

[SomTervo]

You say this as if the lotto isn't hugely successful despite people knowing the odds.

I guess it's not a scam if you're honest about the odds?

 

[Madame M]

China cares about the efficiency of their "rehab" centers, nothing more. They care nothing about the plight of the poor, oppressed MMORPG player.

 

[unrealist]

Eastern countries seem to care about their gaming population more? Gatcha rates in JP .. rules in China and S Korea etc..

 

[CoLaN]

Trading Card packs and blind boxes have been accepted for decades now, why would lootboxes be any different.

Because the random goods inside the game boxes are not even physical. You basically pay for thin air when you get duplicates.

 

[pretty done]

lol @ 0.3% chance for a knife or gloves

Valve are so damn scummy

 

[duckroll]

Because the random goods inside the game boxes are not even physical. You basically pay for thin air when you get duplicates.

Physicality is mostly irrelevant in practical terms. There is value for collectors, but for most people what matters is what they want to use something for.

 

[Dubz]

Very good. Ive always though lootboxes are just scams.

That's because they are jut scams.

 

[Abhor]

Very good. Ive always though lootboxes are just scams.

Have you seen the new rng boxes added to ESO? It's almost like Zenimax deliberately made it seem shady as fuck. We got a good laugh out of the voiced Khajit bandit playing with magic cards.

Amazing that China is the one to push this. Wonder if this will lead to different rates per country or if this will gain moment in other countries. This is pretty much gambling for underaged kids or adults with an addiction.

 

[ramparter]

Nice step forward.