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CNN: FBI tracked 'fake news' believed to be from Russia on Election Day
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Russia is playing 3-dimensional chess exploiting every weakness inherent to free countries and democracies with zero consequences and runaway success. The guy saying they shouldn't have celebrated was absolutely correct. Without needing to alter a single vote directly Russia was able to determine the outcome of the USA's election and they will be back to do it again in 2018 and we will not be ready for it.
astroturfing
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this Russia thing is FAKE NEWS Trump is a GREAT Leader he has the BEST sons Trump Jr and the Fantastic "Eric". there is no collusion folks, period
BrassDragon
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FlutterPuffs
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That's.... normal chess.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Well no. Why should you blame a victim than the perpetrator?
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Starting to understand why certain right-wing conspiracy theorists are getting nervous.
Normal chess is 2D.
Russia has been sanctioned up the ass by both the US and the EU, so there hasn't been zero consequences. They've just continued on despite those consequences, and now there's an impasse where no one is entirely sure where to go.
Which ones? I avoid paying any attention to them.
TheOfficeMut
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A stupid opinion that completely ignores the pervasiveness and difficulty of monitoring social media, as well as victim blames those with susceptibility issues. We are not perfect and while we should have addressed things better, these disinformation campaigns were carried out on private platforms, so do you mean to say Facebook, Twitter and other organizations instead? In any case, it's Russia who is at fault. Don't be so naive.
Lord Fagan
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Hey, everybody! IT'S FRIDAY!!!
Anybody else smell piss?
Anybody else smell piss?
Autodidact
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How's the situation looking in Germany? I figured Russia would try something in the run-up to their election next month.
Randolph Freelander
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I'm still hoping for the big reveal to be that the election day fake news was that Trump won.
FlutterPuffs
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Beer Monkey
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We'll be fine in 2018 as long as we can get Trump and his admin out before then...oh, shit. It's going to take longer than that.
illusionspark
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I've seen YouTube comments saying exactly the same thing. YouTube comments. Let that sink in.
I would say it's silent here.
The car industry got more serious problems here (regarding banning diesel cars (VW, Audi...)).
We shouldn't be blaming the US as a whole, but a lot of the success of the campaign came from the ignorance of the US, though. I mean, they tried similar things in the French election and it failed spectacularly in the final stretches, and from what I know, all attempts at the German one has been DOA. The sad truth is that there's such a huge amount of our population that are gullible idiots, it is hard not to throw shade at the country itself for part of the problem. I mean, shit, 3/4 of the fake news stories floating around sound fake as fuck, and then if you check on the link themselves, the sites look amateurish and fake as fuck.
But I will agree some of the blame lies on the social media outlets themselves: particularly Facebook and Twitter. Everyone is afraid of opening that can of worms, but it really isn't hard for those sites to police literal fake news. Most fake news sites that people share are so blatantly fake you can tell just looking at the front page. But any kind of news article that lacks sourcing or seems entirely anonymous from the reporter(s) in question should be taken down.
But I will agree some of the blame lies on the social media outlets themselves: particularly Facebook and Twitter. Everyone is afraid of opening that can of worms, but it really isn't hard for those sites to police literal fake news. Most fake news sites that people share are so blatantly fake you can tell just looking at the front page. But any kind of news article that lacks sourcing or seems entirely anonymous from the reporter(s) in question should be taken down.
They're still doing it. You can tell when they want to create a narrative - like Mueller being a "criminal" or "McMaster should be fired".
The bot activity pushing fake news on Mueller and McMaster increased over 5000% within hours of receiving their marching orders. Go on Twitter right now and you'll see one of those two or both of those being pushed under every major news story. Some of the bots are still stuck on the Seth Rich "conspiracy" which is just sad.
The bot activity pushing fake news on Mueller and McMaster increased over 5000% within hours of receiving their marching orders. Go on Twitter right now and you'll see one of those two or both of those being pushed under every major news story. Some of the bots are still stuck on the Seth Rich "conspiracy" which is just sad.
Gurgelhals
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The neo-nazi, pro-Putin conspiracy nutjobs of the AfD are constantly sitting below 10% in the polls. Still a shame that they'll probably manage to get over the 5% threshold and enter the Bundestag this fall, but they'll remain a marginal and isolated faction as no other party will want to work with them.
Having both a relatively healthy media landscape and a functioning educational system helps to prevent this shit from gaining wider traction, I guess...
I mean it's the USA's fault in that a lot of our population is pretty dumb and can't fact check.
It's also the USA's fault in that we have free media, free speech etc.
So you can literally write a story about how the clintons have a child sex ring and post it with zero repercussions.
Either we start censoring some media, which is a slippery slope, or.....? There's not really much of a solution.
It doesn't help that the news outlets that help combat "fake news" are being labeled as the "fake news mainstream media that has a liberal agenda and will take away your freedom guns and religion"
America was asking for it.
hobblygobbly
Member
Russia can't do anything significant honestly, far-right is insignificant, there is nothing for them to latch onto. In fact Linkspartei which are far-left and has pro-Kremlin politicians is a better bet for Russia if they actually had to try than something like AfD (far-right).
Things like the refugees is pretty much a non-issue for example, there's nothing really for them to work with.
Russia capitalised on the atmosphere and sentiment in the U.S, something that doesn't exist in society or in politics in Germany at the moment. The U.S campaign length and the toxic atmosphere is really vulnerable to things like fake news Russia can take advantage of, election campaigns in Germany are very short in comparison (as it is with many countries), there aren't things like "attack ads" either so the election atmosphere/toxicity alone is a lot different.
I guess it kind of was, but it was more just an observation than a 'term' from either side. It was news that was literally fake.
Saint Gregory
Member
Sounds like something a Russian bot would say.
Hasn't it been known for a while that Russia has trolls that post on message boards posing as Americans trying to rile up the gullible into a Trump frenzy? Posting fake news wouldn't be much of a stretch from that.
Samantha Bee on Full Frontal did a part about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OauLuWXD_RI
Samantha Bee on Full Frontal did a part about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OauLuWXD_RI
Pilgrimzero
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Version 3.0
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We kind of were. I mean, we hardly need a Russian disinformation campaign. We have a network of very successful ones right here at home.
The good thing is that they didn't hack the elections.
They hacked and leaked the data of a private corporation and phished a key individual there to launch a propaganda campaign that damaged a candidate they didn't like. A propaganda campaign that employed as delivery methods their incredibly highly rated state sponsored TV Network and the most reputable and factual source of information in human history: The internet.
The term "Hacked the Election" should never be used.
Conciliator
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I know this gets said every thread, and I don't want to downplay the destabilizing, nation-altering horror we are currently going through in any way, but
omg man
this shit is so exciting
omg man
this shit is so exciting
Conciliator
Banned
Fake News, which was a terrible stupid name that was never going to work as a way to communicate to the public what's going on, originally was meant to describe a specific thing: Completely fabricated, foreign-sourced propaganda that was designed to discredit American media and propagate conspiracy theories about Hilliary Clinton and the democratic party, and otherwise sew confusion, and that was promoted on social media by bots. It was not initially meant to describe, for example, Rush Limbaugh spinning some story on the radio, or X channel having X bias. But that distinction was never going to stick.
Acerac
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If I'm able to separate myself from the fact that my country is getting repeatedly fucked it really is fascinating to watch.
To those who say America was asking for it, perhaps the ones who are running propaganda networks were asking for it, but it feels extremely reductive to equate them with America as a whole.
Bedameister
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They've been doing it for some time now and it is known. Not that many people are falling for it though. AfD is not doing particularly good.
HighResTomato
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America has the greatest propaganda machine the world has ever known. Should be a perk in Civ 7.
googleplex
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There are so-called "progressives" that I know that still claim that Hillary rigged/stole the election from Bernie and spout all kind of non-sense about the Clinton foundation
LinkAndEpona
Banned
So it was Russia launching polls and predictions in Hillary's favor? Lol
Bet Trump wishes he could right now
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