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Coaches run a drill used by Navy Seals, High School Football player dies as a result

Joshua Mileto, a junior at Sachem East High School, was one of five players holding the 10-foot log above their heads when something went wrong around 8:40 a.m. in Farmingville.

The log smashed the 5-foot-6, 134-pound Mileto in the head, Suffolk police said. Emergency workers took him to Stony Brook University Hospital where he died.

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Questions began emerging about whether the drill was appropriate at the high school level.

The Navy SEALS use a similar drill in their famously tough training course, which involves carrying the log with their arms extended over a sand berm.

While a spokeswoman for the school said that drill has been used “commonly” at Sachem East, six New York football coaches with more than 100 years of combined experience told the Daily News they had never seen it and wouldn’t use it.

“I've never heard of it,” said Don Santini, a coach for 37 years and former president of the state High School Coaches Association. “I don't even know why I would have the players do such a thing.”

Added retired coach George Mangicaro, who ran the team at Liverpool High School north of Syracuse for 23 years, “I’ve never heard of it. I’ve never used it. You can build team camaraderie, but you can't sacrifice safety.”


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/hs-football-player-dies-log-fell-head-drill-article-1.3400220


Sachem East graduate Carlin Schledorn, who played football as a junior, said carrying the log — about 12 feet (3.7 meters) long and the diameter of a utility pole — was a "team building" exercise.

"It's very big. It's like a tree, and it's a challenge for people who weightlift," he said. "Five or six people do it at once.

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Some colleges and other high schools around the country have incorporated log-carrying drills and other military-inspired exercises into their football preparations in recent years, sometimes bringing in SEALs to teach and motivate.

Players at Indiana's New Albany High School teamed up last month to tote 6-foot-long, 200-pound logs 2 miles from a local amphitheater to the school.

SEALs and Green Berets trained the players first on how to lift the logs and carry them on their shoulders, coach Steve Cooley said. Accompanied by coaches and a police escort, the groups paused for water and put the logs down every one or two blocks, and each six-person squad had an extra man who could sub in if someone got tired.

"The purpose was not to try to see how tough they are ... the purpose was to accomplish a goal," Cooley said. "It was very rewarding for all of us."

But after Mileto's death on Thursday, sports safety expert Douglas Casa questioned the wisdom of having teenagers perform an exercise that involves carrying a heavy object and that was developed for Navy SEALs, "potentially a very different clientele."

"There's so much potential for things to go wrong that I would really want people to think twice before doing something like that," said Casa, executive director of the University of Connecticut's Korey Stringer Institute, which works to improve safety for athletes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/high-schooler-dies-log-falls-football-drill-49139981


It's time to take a serious look at high school football. It's bad enough with everything coming out about CTE but now we're having coaches running teenagers through fucking Navy Seal drills for "team-building"... completely unnecessary loss of life here. A kid is dead because of macho bullshit
 
Those coaches should be charged. Shit like this is ridiculous. The kind of over the top masculine bullshit you see in youth football in this country is fucking toxic. What a fucking waste of a young life.
 
Those coaches should be charged. Shit like this is ridiculous. The kind of over the top masculine bullshit you see in youth football in this country is fucking toxic.

Yep.

Negligence and the school should be sued into oblivion.


And remember there's now what potentially dozens of teenagers who now had to witness their friend die because of alpha male team building was more important than safety.

I'm sure the defense will be it was likely optional but these are kids how many are going to opt out... they'd probably be afraid of being thought of as weak. You don't present this. 7 adults or something were there and none thought to object.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Military worship + high school sports culture
 

Keri

Member
I can't even imagine how his parents feel. I think if it were my child, I'd go scorched earth against the school and the district. Probably not the healthiest of responses, but I wouldn't rest, until everyone from the coach up to the principal was fired or blacklisted for child abuse.
 

RS4-

Member
Nothing says team building like gathering at a funeral over a very pointless death.

Completely stupid, staff should be charged. Can't defend shit like this at all.
 

Kite

Member
I've done this log carrying team building exercise several times in sports, army and company events. Diff is that the log for the sport and company mandatory fun day bs was not that thick or heavy since both genders ere doing it.. and you carry it on your shoulder. Holding it over your head is insane, especially for high school kids.
 
Shut their entire sports program down forever. It's already fucking stupid that we let children risk CTE. Any school that bolts a sidecar of random deadly activities onto the side of their football program just for the fuck of it isn't responsible enough oversee people chasing a ball around.
 

the chris

Member
Shut their entire sports program down forever. It's already fucking stupid that we let children risk CTE. Any school that bolts a sidecar of random deadly activities onto the side of their football program just for the fuck of it isn't responsible enough oversee people chasing a ball around.

Agreed, I work at a sports clinic and seeing teenagers coming in for not only concussions but torn knees, shoulders and who knows what else really makes you wonder why we even allow high school and under sports.
 

Ric Flair

Banned
Shut their entire sports program down forever. It's already fucking stupid that we let children risk CTE. Any school that bolts a sidecar of random deadly activities onto the side of their football program just for the fuck of it isn't responsible enough oversee people chasing a ball around.
Why punish the kids? Fire the coach and hire someone who isn't fucking stupid with children's lives.
 

vern

Member
Practice and drills should always be directly relevant to the sport. Carrying a log doesn't teach you shit about football and I'm pretty sure at no point during the game do you need to run around carrying shit above your head.

Bad coaches. Poor kid.
 

Neece

Member
Agreed, I work at a sports clinic and seeing teenagers coming in for not only concussions but torn knees, shoulders and who knows what else really makes you wonder why we even allow high school and under sports.

So your solution would be to shut down all sports for kids and teenagers?
 

the chris

Member
So your solution would be to shut down all sports for kids and teenagers?

No, I just wish these kids wouldn't have so much pressure mounted on them for games.

A lot of parents are also more concerned about when their child can be cleared to play rather than making sure their fully healed.
 
Terrible


My dad, uncles and grandma used to talk about their highschool coach who had some ridiculous practices when they all played.
(he eventually went on to coach Alabama)
Said they were allowed so little water and breathers kids would drink water from puddles on the field and sweat from their towels.
 
Yeah too many HS coaches view coaching there as a stepping stone to "real" coaching gigs and try and churn these kids out at the expense of their bodies and minds to do it.

All involved should be charged, they give the rest of us who are trying to make headway into it to actually make a difference in kids lives and be positive role models a bad name with this disgusting and utterly unacceptable behavior.
 

BigDug13

Member
Sailors who want to be Seals go through a battery of physical exams before they're determined to be capable of doing the training. You don't just incorporate that shit into a High School just because the kids seem big enough to play football and not conducting your own equally rigorous battery of exams and parent permission for minors, just like the military.
 

Apdiddy

Member
Most high schools barely have enough money to pay teachers but have enough to pay coaches near six figures so they can do stupid shit like this. I hope they get arrested and the parents sue them for everything they are worth.
 

thefro

Member
Practice and drills should always be directly relevant to the sport. Carrying a log doesn't teach you shit about football and I'm pretty sure at no point during the game do you need to run around carrying shit above your head.

Bad coaches. Poor kid.

It's supposed to be something different in the preseason as a team-building thing... lots of colleges have been doing it so you see high schools copycatting it.

I'd suspect in this case the log was too big for high school kids to carry safely and the coaches didn't know how to train everyone to do the drill.
 
Man, fuck high school football. There's been nothing but pure fuckery with that shit in my area.

My principal for the first three years wound up getting forced out because she was secretly funneling money intended for other programs into the football team.

Our rival school, one of the top teams in the state, had an all-expense-paid (100% by the district) trip to Florida (so across almost the entire country) to play one game, which they lost by a huge margin. They stayed in a 5-star hotel, with separate rooms, for an entire week, and also got Disney World tickets. Again, entirely paid for by the district. And they lost. 5-star hotel.

The same football team has been in the news nationwide lately due to a massive hazing scandal (full-on sexual assault), which has both the coach and the principal (who actually was the principal who replaced our corrupt principal senior year, before moving schools after I graduated) looking at potential felony abuse charges due to them likely knowing about it and doing nothing. I'd be shocked if the cover-up didn't go all the up to the district, honestly, given that the school has always been *the* football team around.

Burn all this shit to the ground. School is for fucking learning.
 

jfkgoblue

Member
Terrible


My dad, uncles and grandma used to talk about their highschool coach who had some ridiculous practices when they all played.
(he eventually went on to coach Alabama)
Said they were allowed so little water and breathers kids would drink water from puddles on the field and sweat from their towels.
That's because until the 70's, most coaches believed that going without water during practice made you stronger for games. It wasn't until Florida came up with Gatorade that this attitude changed. It was a ridiculous thing to believe even back then.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Don't they do those log training exercises in the navy seals because they'll need to be able to carry heavy military equipment around as a group in operational scenarios?

It's not merely a team building exercise - it's preparing them for hauling around huge ass objects as a group.

What part of football requires this? Why are you having children perform military drills?

This is stupid.

Fucking football culture.
 

Trace

Banned
Burn all this shit to the ground. School is for fucking learning.

100% agree. It's weird as fuck looking from the outside in at the amount of "team spirit" "masculine" bullshit that goes on in certain US high schools and then transitions to colleges. They're supposed to be places of learning.
 
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