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Crackdown 3 delayed to Spring 2018
- Thread starter Theorry
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KZXcellent
Member
Actually forgot about Forza, haha. Well at least they'll have something to tide people over.
statham
Member
I highly disagree.
Obliterator
Member
That's great and all, and I'm sure there is some stuff to please the Xbox Faithful or core fanbase
But barring a shocking surprise State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves, and Crackdown 3 aren't exactly system sellers
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Some time between The Game Awards and E3 2018.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crackdown 3, all in the first half of the year, isn't impressive?
And then we've got Ori and Forza (not announced but most likely), and I'm sure more stuff will get announced.
Looks impressive to me!
Obliterator
Member
I'm talking about sales.
I don't see any of those moving a significant amount of hardware
VanCityGamer
Member
Just curious: do you think State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves, and Crackdown 3 look like great/big titles?
They all look anywhere from mediocre to good to me.
IMO God of War and (hopefully in 2018) Spider-Man both crush any Xbox game announced thus far. Both will score extremely well critically and will also sell a shitton of copies.
wapplew
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Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Even if they have something big for E3, halo and gears are usually 1-2 years away from when they're announced. No way we get a new halo or gears release next year.
Poimandres
Member
- State of Decay
- Sea of Thieves
- Crackdown
Probable...
- Ori
- Halo 6?
- Forza Horizon?
Nice diverse lineup of games there.
Were likely getting all the games you mentioned plus forza horizon and halo 6 next year
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Delay your way into a great software lineup.
statham
Member
those three makes it exciting for me, extra polish. not to mention we will get Halo 6 and FH4, plus more.
They may end up being great games but I'm not sure if they are going to garner a lot of sales and I don't see anyone picking up an xbox to play them either. Now if Halo 6 gets announced that would be another story all together but no news of that happening yet.
PanicFreak
Member
E3 2014 continues to be a major dumpster fire. What are the odds that it takes until after E3 2018 before this thing is released? I'd say 75 percent.
Also, this year is absolutely the worst first party showing by Microsoft. I think the exclusive titles they released on original Xbox the year they killed the original Xbox may have even been better.
Just looked at the list: Conker reloaded, Forza, Jade Empire, Phantom Dust.
Yup, hands down 2017 was the first party showing by Microsoft in the history of Xbox.
Also, this year is absolutely the worst first party showing by Microsoft. I think the exclusive titles they released on original Xbox the year they killed the original Xbox may have even been better.
Just looked at the list: Conker reloaded, Forza, Jade Empire, Phantom Dust.
Yup, hands down 2017 was the first party showing by Microsoft in the history of Xbox.
Obliterator
Member
And you think those jump hardware? Again judging a surprising performance none of that software moves substantial units but Halo 6.
I mean... I don't know what you're really expecting. Halo is microsofts biggest franchise, and forza isn't a slouch either.
What do you think they could release next year that would move hardware? An unproven new ip?
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Besides SOD2, we've already known about sea of thieves and crackdown 3 for years. Microsoft needs something big and fresh. I'm not entirely sure they will. E3 was mostly full of indies and multiplats. Not exactly encouraging going forward. No new halo announced. No new gears.
PanicFreak
Member
The way 343i has been talking, I don't expect Halo 6 until 2019 or 2020.
I don't there's really anything MS can publish that will significantly move hardware period; existing franchise, new IP or otherwise.
statham
Member
God Of War looks mediocre to good to me..
Probably because people have been begging for Microsoft to act more like Sony and spread releases around the calendar year. But when they finally do it's seen as some kind of disaster that a B-list franchise can't make it out in time for Christmas.
Prior to this delay, did anyone honestly consider Crackdown 3 to be a killer app? X1X was always going to launch without a big showcase title.
My apologies for not realising you were being satirical, but my point was just that in many of these types of discussions, there are a lot of people who argue that exclusives don't matter. In the context of game delays (especially of said exclusives), your point is that reactions to Sony delays are very different when compared to Microsoft delays.
But I would argue that the reason for this is not due to an ignoring of facts, but instead the fact that Xbox has a continually-dwindling wheelhouse of exclusives at retail compared to Sony. Even if a Sony exclusive is delayed there are others to be had, and the fact that someone in this very thread trotted out The Order and Driveclub to try and make them look as bad as Microsoft in 2017 says volumes about the gap in each system's respective delays.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Which is a good thing imo.
VanCityGamer
Member
And that's fair. That doesn't seem to be how most gamers and media feel about it though.
Generally speaking, God of War and Spider-Man easily have more buzz and excitment than any of those Xbox exclusives. And I'd bet money they will score and sell significantly higher too.
Poimandres
Member
2005 OG Xbox also had exclusive Oddworld Strangers Wrath, Unreal Championship 2, console exclusive Doom 3 and Half LIfe 2. That was a MUCH better year for Xbox exclusives (and really shows how the market has changed with a surprising number of 3rd party exclusive titles)
LiveFromKyoto
Member
You don't say.
Do you really believe that this is the brunt of criticism towards Microsoft's exclusives lineup?
The Pet of the Month
Member
So it's either don't release exclusive titles and not sell consoles or release exclusive titles and not sell consoles. I'm not really sure if Microsoft Studios should try at all at this point. 😧
Despite that, even my patience has been tested more than enough. I'm very dissatisfied with the offerings of MS Studios this generation, and I really hope someone comes out to talk about the current situation because I don't feel confident in whether the division is interested in producing games like they used to.
Hopefully the delay makes Crackdown 3 a better game. Delays are always frustrating in software development.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Gross incompetence would be MS releasing the game in the state it is in, in the face of all of the constructive criticism and feedback and sending the game to die.
They did the right thing.
They did the right thing.
Obliterator
Member
I have no idea and that's my point.
Fable is dead. Gears and Halo both shrank gen over gen. The Forza Horizon brand did see growth which is a positive. There has seemingly been a budget reduction on the Xbox side of the business over the last couple years.
It's harsh and I want the best but I don't see the Xbox Division in a positive light right now at all
Goodacre0081
Member
this kind of gives them leeway to delay any of those titles now in turn. I could totally see a situation where an unannounced exclusive deal fell through and MS needed to space the games out a bit more.
Halo 6 and Sea of Thieves being 2019 titles.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
The game was announced at E3 2014. The gross incompetence is that it is still in the state it is in despite being a console launch flagship.
Xbox is down because the multiplatform games people want to play are worse on the Xbox one. Releasing a ton of brand new games won't get the xb1 closer to the PS4.
But saying that microsofts lineup next year is bad is a little crazy. They have an open world game super hero game, a multiplayer based pirate game, a first person shooter, an open world zombie survival game, and an open world racing game.
And on the Japanese front as well, look at how many exclusives Sega and FromSoft put out on the system. Hell, in a way it was basically Dreamcast v2 with Jet Set Radio Future and Sega GT 2002. Then you had Phantom Crush, Dead or Alive 3, Otogi, Metal Wolf Chaos, even an exclusive Shin Megami Tensei game.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
MS doesn't expect to gain any ground with the X. It's been stated since it's creation that it purely exists for the small enthusiast.
No. I'd say that the majority of the criticism is that Microsoft's lineup isn't diverse enough, and just features tried-and-true franchises that have become rote and stale. I think that's a fair critique. At the same time it's worth noting that attempts at new IPs were largely unsuccessful (Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break).
Head.spawn
Junior Member
edit: misread that line of posts.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
"The most powerful console in the world"
They're selling it on hardware power, not software variety.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
So then you think they should just follow through with that gross incompetence for good measure?
They are trying to take responsibility for their mistake. At least that's what it looks like to me. They are in a tough spot so that actually grants some respect from me. But I'm weird and able to respect their good choices as well as criticize their mistakes.
I think this was a good move period.
Humdinger
Member
It ain't exactly Zelda, is it?
Crackdown was held up as a standard-bearer for the Xbox, when it was unveiled. It's really fallen from grace.
Apart from the marketspeak ("true 4K," "fastest gaming network," etc.), I think in reality it comes down to "better looking/performing multiplatform games," at this point. Maybe in a year they'll have an argument to make in terms of first-party exclusives that look especially stunning on the platform, but at this point, they're relying on the appeal of 3rd party games that look/play a bit better.
Well I think Halo and maybe Forza are the only titles that would be system sellers at this point. They basically have killed Fable, they cancelled scalebound, and keep delaying games. I mean, CD3 got announced in 2014 and how long have they been talking about Sea of thieves? Its just hard to be excited for these titles. I don't think these games would've moved consoles but delaying them for years like this just kills the enthusiasm for the games.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
What can they realistically do between now and Spring to change the game?
Graphics could be improved obviously.. mainly because textures were pretty bad to begin with, art style could take a few settings tweaks and look a lot better.. but what about animation, physics, destructibility, gameplay? That shit seems like it would be locked in stone.
Graphics could be improved obviously.. mainly because textures were pretty bad to begin with, art style could take a few settings tweaks and look a lot better.. but what about animation, physics, destructibility, gameplay? That shit seems like it would be locked in stone.
While I agree about them spreading their releases out more (although they need more titles to be able to spread out..), I expect that is being ignored due to frustration about yet another delay for crackdown specifically. This isnt planned, its reactionary.
Hey silver lining - maybe MS sees sales do well in q1 and adjusts their release planning?
Sangetsu-II
Member
Are we delaying betas now? So where is that Crackdown 3 beta and SoT beta...yeah, move on with the goal.