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COPENHAGEN — When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.”
Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.
Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled.
For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence.
Politicians’ description of the ghettos has become increasingly sinister. In his annual New Year’s speech, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen warned that ghettos could “reach out their tentacles onto the streets” by spreading violence, and that because of ghettos, “cracks have appeared on the map of Denmark.” Politicians who once used the word “integration” now call frankly for “assimilation.”
That tough approach is embodied in the “ghetto package.” Of 22 proposals presented by the government in early March, most have been agreed upon by a parliamentary majority, and more will be subject to a vote in the fall.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html

 

[Gander]

Wow, that is a lot to take in. I'm going to ponder that for awhile.

 

[Ka-Kui]

Horrible. Nothing more for me to say here.

 

[TTOOLL]

Finally people are waking up. It's harsh no doubt, but it's necessary.

 

[44Forever]

I think this is not just a problem all over the world, but a problem that has been around since the start of time as well.

 

[manfestival]

I imagine people would go absolutely bonkers if that happened in the USA.

I get the angle though. If you want a welfare check then your children must go through an educational process. People do have the option to refuse government money. I see the good and the bad here.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Well, if they don't want to adapt themselves and their children, then it is the only solution.

 

[Cunth]

Will have to see how it works out, but at least they have the balls to admit one section of society has a huge problem and are willing to try to fix it in the face of guaranteed outrage from concerned internet white people

 

[Breakage]

I don't see what's wrong here. But the fact that it has to be enforced with the threat of stopping welfare payments highlights the folly of trying to integrate large groups of Muslims into Europe.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Seems like a harsh overreaction in response to an another harsh overreaction. Maybe if European countries took a more nuanced approach to immigration and didn't put themselves into this mess, they wouldn't have to educate their new neighbors in such a strong-armed sort of way.

But it also makes you wonder: if these immigrants were so eager to come to these countries, how on earth are they not looking up these traditions themselves? How could you be so disrespectful to your new home that you wouldn't teach your children about these traditions? To me, it seems like if these immigrants had any self-awareness about their situation, they miiiiiight spend a moment to teach their children about the new home they've moved to.

There's a particular (distasteful) view held by the alt-Right/far-Right that goes something like this: "Muslims are intentionally invading the West by out-breeding and killing us. They don't care about our countries! They just want to immigrate us out of existence". While I do not agree with that view, the behavior of these immigrants is playing right into that narrative. How can you honestly say you care about the country you're moving to if you don't have the foggiest notion of their culture or their ideals or their cultural history?

 

[King of Foxes]

Well just ignoring the migrants and hoping they adopt local culture and customs hasn't work so I see no problems with this.

 

[Gander]

I think all religions seek growth to replenish their numbers but I think Islamist's take that notion to a whole other level. If you try to leave the faith your family maybe threatened or you maybe threatened. I say that to say this, it is not above conception that they are using migration to spread Islam.

Denmark has a right to say we want to help you but we don't want our country changed

 

[Panda1]

Seems like a harsh overreaction in response to an another harsh overreaction. Maybe if European countries took a more nuanced approach to immigration and didn't put themselves into this mess, they wouldn't have to educate their new neighbors in such a strong-armed sort of way.

But it also makes you wonder: if these immigrants were so eager to come to these countries, how on earth are they not looking up these traditions themselves? How could you be so disrespectful to your new home that you wouldn't teach your children about these traditions? To me, it seems like if these immigrants had any self-awareness about their situation, they miiiiiight spend a moment to teach their children about the new home they've moved to.

There's a particular (distasteful) view held by the alt-Right/far-Right that goes something like this: "Muslims are intentionally invading the West by out-breeding and killing us. They don't care about our countries! They just want to immigrate us out of existence". While I do not agree with that view, the behavior of these immigrants is playing right into that narrative. How can you honestly say you care about the country you're moving to if you don't have the foggiest notion of their culture or their ideals or their cultural history?

You sound like the most molly cuddled person. Have you ever been to a ghetto or immigrant neighbourhood do you know anyone outside your own bubble.
Not one fucking person looks at England or USA or Norway and wrtites a list of pros and cons and looks at the culture or music. People work out where they can make the most money or have better things. This does not mean having to learn 1 thing about the country language or culture. Do you think millions went to German for the culture and sauerkraut or were told they can get state benefits and became citizens and milt the state hard.

 

[Atrus]

This sounds like a skewed narrative; propaganda if you will.

From the details, this is a free but mandatory pre-school enrollment for migrant children whose parents are recieving welfare that is being spun as an attack on migrants and refugees. I note the suspicious singling out of "Christianity and Easter" as part of the Danish values comment and not the scope or extent of what is taught which could be as simple as one sentence and moreover lessons on the rights of sexual minorities and so on that could be labelled as Christian from a Muslim perspective.

 

[Government-man]

You sound like the most molly cuddled person. Have you ever been to a ghetto or immigrant neighbourhood do you know anyone outside your own bubble.
Not one fucking person looks at England or USA or Norway and wrtites a list of pros and cons and looks at the culture or music. People work out where they can make the most money or have better things. This does not mean having to learn 1 thing about the country language or culture. Do you think millions went to German for the culture and sauerkraut or were told they can get state benefits and became citizens and milt the state hard.

Refugees are not in a position to do this calculation. They're placed in these neighbourhoods (some of which get too much of a bad rep, I grew up in one) by the government not having a good handle on integration. They're people with defects like the rest of us and are not incentivized/given-the-opportunity to adapt themselves enough.

 

[Kadayi]

Seems like a harsh overreaction in response to an another harsh overreaction. Maybe if European countries took a more nuanced approach to immigration and didn't put themselves into this mess, they wouldn't have to educate their new neighbors in such a strong-armed sort of way.

But it also makes you wonder: if these immigrants were so eager to come to these countries, how on earth are they not looking up these traditions themselves? How could you be so disrespectful to your new home that you wouldn't teach your children about these traditions? To me, it seems like if these immigrants had any self-awareness about their situation, they miiiiiight spend a moment to teach their children about the new home they've moved to.

There's a particular (distasteful) view held by the alt-Right/far-Right that goes something like this: "Muslims are intentionally invading the West by out-breeding and killing us. They don't care about our countries! They just want to immigrate us out of existence". While I do not agree with that view, the behavior of these immigrants is playing right into that narrative. How can you honestly say you care about the country you're moving to if you don't have the foggiest notion of their culture or their ideals or their cultural history?

Islam doesn't advocate integration in its teachings. It's an isolationist culture. Basically, you're supposed to only really deal with other members of the faith and keep interactions with non-muslims to the minimum. It's perfectly ok to say run a shop and deal with customers from all backgrounds, but it would be frowned upon to socialise with non-muslims for instance. Mileage varies dependent on how liberal your upbringing may be, but it's fair to say that a great many of the more recent immigrants to Europe are very entrenched in this outlook.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

You sound like the most molly cuddled person. Have you ever been to a ghetto or immigrant neighbourhood do you know anyone outside your own bubble.
Not one fucking person looks at England or USA or Norway and writes a list of pros and cons and looks at the culture or music. People work out where they can make the most money or have better things. This does not mean having to learn 1 thing about the country language or culture. Do you think millions went to German for the culture and sauerkraut or were told they can get state benefits and became citizens and milt the state hard.

I grew up in a freshly-ghetto neighborhood, the result of the fleeing GM factories in Michigan. "Race" was almost never a conversation because every neighborhood was mixed and everyone rode bikes and played in the streets with everyone else. Besides, we all played the same inner-city games like "is that gunshots or fireworks?" late at night. "Racism" was just a flavor of schoolyard insult. No one could afford to genuinely believe it or live like a racist. We were packed in too closely.

My grandparents and great-grandparents were of German-Jewish descent who fled during the 1930s rise of the National Socialist party in Germany. My great-grandfather on that side actually fought for the Kaiser in WW1. Iron Cross and everything. The other portion of my ancestry is impoverished Irish immigrants, many of them bastard children when they arrived in America. I'm unable to trace my family lineage on that side much further than my great-grandfather who was a drunk and cheated on my great-grandmother, likely siring relatives I've never met.

I've been on food stamps more than once in my adult life. I grew up shoulder-to-shoulder with Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Moroccan, Sudanese, Kenyan, Saudi, Israili, and many other immigrants and foreign-exchange families. When I was a child, the dad of our good neighbor-friends up the street left on a trip for a few weeks to visit his family in Africa. When he came back, he told us they were all dead and that he saw their bodies discarded on the floor of his childhood home. He was a Rwandan Tutsi. His son and I used to make home-movies together.

Kindly fuck off. You've been brainwashed to believe that anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint must not "get it". You're simply wrong. Live in the real world a bit and maybe you'll return with a true appreciation for what others have gone through and for their culture. When an immigrant shows up with any attitude other than "geez, I'm so happy to be here, so happy to have a new place to start a life for my family. I am going to make the best of this" then they can fuck off, too. Experiencing hardship doesn't permit you to carry it with you and impose it wherever you go. Experiencing oppression doesn't mean you can relocate elsewhere and replicate it there.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Well, if they don't want to adapt themselves and their children, then it is the only solution.

For me, it mainly depends on if it's "This is what us Christians believe, now let's all get along" or if it's "This is who God and Jesus really are, anyone else is lying to you. Your children will accept our God, or no food stamps for you!"

Think of the reverse of that, and I hope you wouldn't accept it.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

For me, it mainly depends on if it's "This is what us Christians believe, now let's all get along" or if it's "This is who God and Jesus really are, anyone else is lying to you. Your children will accept our God, or no food stamps for you!"

Think of the reverse of that, and I hope you wouldn't accept it.

Northern Europe already passed the stage of crusades. At least they are not evangelics. Are there any heavy religious countries in the western or northern europe? there is none. I am more than sure that some government will enforce Islam easier than Christianity today lol
I am more than sure that those Christian beliefs are something akin Christmas and so. After all when some migrants destroy christmas trees (I remember reading about that) then I presume children of migrants should be at least educated not do that. Or the countries will have another set of Erdogan voters or pro sharia guys.

 

[Kamina]

If it is a values/morals thing then i approve. Many (often ilsmaic) countries for example do not know how to treat women accordingly, so it is good that the children get some training here from early on. They can also understand from early on that freedom of religion is a thing, so nobody can later easily radicallize them. (Not that many islamic parents dont do this already, but i am certain its better to have than not)

 

[Super Mario]

Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments.

Liberal to English translation: they must attend school to help them integrate to society, or they don't get free money.

What a blow to the Liberal narrative yet again. There goes the utopia known as Denmark. Funny how things change when you are no longer a small, homogenous area.

 

[Blood Borne]

Absolutely disgusting. While I understand its aim, it is immoral and tyrannical for government to indoctrinate values. This is a parents' job.

 

[Kamina]

Absolutely disgusting. While I understand its aim, it is immoral and tyrannical for government to indoctrinate values. This is a parents' job.

So Denmark should leave the teaching of western values to freshly immigrated parents which themselves have no clue whatsoever of these values?

 

[Tumle]

I’m from Denmark.. and they way this article is skewed is very disheartening.. they make it sound like they will take there children away for 25 hours straight.. this is mandatory kindergarten and childcare for 25 hours over a week..
There are immigrants who have lived here for 40 years upward that don’t even speak danish.. also there is a big problem with kids from these families not being good at there native language (danish) because of this.. this is not about learning Muslim children about Christianity but about danish customs and such that might come from Christianity.. but please look at the statistics about how many Danes believe in god.. and you would understand that the notion is indoctrinate Muslim children into Christianity is dishonest.. I’m not sure the law that they set in place is good though since I think it should be done on a family to family basis.. not because they are poor..

 

[Blood Borne]

So Denmark should leave the teaching of western values to freshly immigrated parents which themselves have no clue whatsoever of these values?

Western values can be taught organically by getting rid of welfare and social programs.

 

[Tumle]

Western values can be taught organically by getting rid of welfare and social programs.

Hahaha nah thanks it’s great here, the way it is
Also we are talking about western values not American republican values

 

[Alx]

This sounds like a skewed narrative; propaganda if you will.

From the details, this is a free but mandatory pre-school enrollment for migrant children whose parents are recieving welfare that is being spun as an attack on migrants and refugees. I note the suspicious singling out of "Christianity and Easter" as part of the Danish values comment and not the scope or extent of what is taught which could be as simple as one sentence and moreover lessons on the rights of sexual minorities and so on that could be labelled as Christian from a Muslim perspective.

There might be some interpretation there, but it still seems quite awkward to single out a part of the population and give them different rights.
I'm all for making pre-school a requirement, though, but for ALL kids. That way they'll a be naturally exposed to the language and local culture. 1 yo seems a bit early though, I'm not sure what the kids will be "taught" when they still soil themselves and can barely talk.

 

[Tumle]

There might be some interpretation there, but it still seems quite awkward to single out a part of the population and give them different rights.
I'm all for making pre-school a requirement, though, but for ALL kids. That way they'll a be naturally exposed to the language and local culture. 1 yo seems a bit early though, I'm not sure what the kids will be "taught" when they still soil themselves and can barely talk.

The native language? I’m sure it sounds strange.. but a lot of immigrants don’t know the language even though there is 3 years of mandatory danish lessons..

 

[Blood Borne]

Hahaha nah thanks it’s great here, the way it is
Also we are talking about western values not American republican values

People who migrate to countries without any welfare and social programs are people who really and truly want to better their lives. Getting a job and working for years is the best way to understand and assimilate into a society.

Staying at home and receiving welfare payments and other social benefits, does not motivate people to go out to work and mingle with people.

 

[Atrus]

There might be some interpretation there, but it still seems quite awkward to single out a part of the population and give them different rights.
I'm all for making pre-school a requirement, though, but for ALL kids. That way they'll a be naturally exposed to the language and local culture. 1 yo seems a bit early though, I'm not sure what the kids will be "taught" when they still soil themselves and can barely talk.

Could be mandatory daycare to ensure both parents in immigrant welfare households are looking for jobs. In Canada, you get support for the first 12 months on welfare to look after your child. Thereafter, you are supposed to be seeking work and get support for daycare.

 

[luigimario]

So does this only count towards muslim "ghetto kids" or to all "ghetto kids"? If it applies to all, great, but if it is only singling out one group that's kinda iffy.....maybe its the Danish government that needs lessons in western values.....

 

[Captain Zyrain]

So does this only count towards muslim "ghetto kids" or to all "ghetto kids"? If it applies to all, great, but if it is only singling out one group that's kinda iffy.....maybe its the Danish government that needs lessons in western values.....

Anyone living in those areas, so it would apply mostly to 'poor' people, which also happen to mostly be Muslim, but not exclusively.

To those claiming the measures single out Muslims, he said: “That’s nonsense and rubbish. To me this is about, no matter who lives in these areas and who they believe in, they have to profess to the values required to have a good life in Denmark.”

I'm fine with this. It sounds harsh, and the optics look kind of bad, but I think it's worth a shot. What are other ways you can get immigrants to assimilate into your culture?

Tying it to welfare payments/support seems fine as well, as you're free to not accept the culture and not accept the money.

 

[base]

Coming from the Netherlands. We have integration issues here. Plenty of people are using up the system by sitting whole time at home and getting even more money than working people. Small children are taught disrespect to our values. Its like it's not our country anymore. If you say something bad about them you are a racist. So simple for some people.

 

[base]

People who migrate to countries without any welfare and social programs are people who really and truly want to better their lives. Getting a job and working for years is the best way to understand and assimilate into a society.

Staying at home and receiving welfare payments and other social benefits, does not motivate people to go out to work and mingle with people.

It's not only about the welfare system.

I had 6 Arab guys working a month at my department at work. Suddenly all of them went sick and didn't show up at work for 2 years. Ofcourse the company had to pay them.

They don't want to change their lives. All they do is showing us who's the boss in our countries right now.

 

[Azurro]

It's incredible that it has to get to that point, I suppose things were going terribly for that to happen. It's a shame, but people do have to adapt to their new country and get to know their values so that they don't grow up in a bubble.

 

[Panda1]

I grew up in a freshly-ghetto neighborhood, the result of the fleeing GM factories in Michigan. "Race" was almost never a conversation because every neighborhood was mixed and everyone rode bikes and played in the streets with everyone else. Besides, we all played the same inner-city games like "is that gunshots or fireworks?" late at night. "Racism" was just a flavor of schoolyard insult. No one could afford to genuinely believe it or live like a racist. We were packed in too closely.

My grandparents and great-grandparents were of German-Jewish descent who fled during the 1930s rise of the National Socialist party in Germany. My great-grandfather on that side actually fought for the Kaiser in WW1. Iron Cross and everything. The other portion of my ancestry is impoverished Irish immigrants, many of them bastard children when they arrived in America. I'm unable to trace my family lineage on that side much further than my great-grandfather who was a drunk and cheated on my great-grandmother, likely siring relatives I've never met.

I've been on food stamps more than once in my adult life. I grew up shoulder-to-shoulder with Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Moroccan, Sudanese, Kenyan, Saudi, Israili, and many other immigrants and foreign-exchange families. When I was a child, the dad of our good neighbor-friends up the street left on a trip for a few weeks to visit his family in Africa. When he came back, he told us they were all dead and that he saw their bodies discarded on the floor of his childhood home. He was a Rwandan Tutsi. His son and I used to make home-movies together.

Kindly fuck off. You've been brainwashed to believe that anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint must not "get it". You're simply wrong. Live in the real world a bit and maybe you'll return with a true appreciation for what others have gone through and for their culture. When an immigrant shows up with any attitude other than "geez, I'm so happy to be here, so happy to have a new place to start a life for my family. I am going to make the best of this" then they can fuck off, too. Experiencing hardship doesn't permit you to carry it with you and impose it wherever you go. Experiencing oppression doesn't mean you can relocate elsewhere and replicate it there.

Ah you have blacks friends arguement !! and I did not say once about hardship and oppression save that for whatever straw man you are screaming against. And i was right then you have no experince of emmigrating settling with others or any experince out of Murica

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Ah you have blacks friends arguement !! and I did not say once about hardship and oppression save that for whatever straw man you are screaming against. And i was right then you have no experince of emmigrating settling with others or any experince out of Murica

Ah the "move the goalposts" argument.

I'll just report you and move on.

 

[LordPezix]

Western states operating Islamic welfare systems to help Muslims with a stipulation of education on the countries traditions with the aim to create contributing tolerant citizens, doesn't sound that bad to me.

 

[NahaNago]

It seems a bit much especially since it starts at the age of 1. Shouldn't pre-school somewhat educate these kids on Danish values outside of the Christian portion.

 

[DiscoJer]

I don't see how this is horrible. Send your kids to preschool or you don't get welfare is hardly hard fisted. And the "Christian" angle is silly, Denmark, like most Western Europe countries, are about as "Christian" as any retail store in the US - they might observe holidays, but that's it.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

It seems a bit much especially since it starts at the age of 1. Shouldn't pre-school somewhat educate these kids on Danish values outside of the Christian portion.

I don't see how this is horrible. Send your kids to preschool or you don't get welfare is hardly hard fisted. And the "Christian" angle is silly, Denmark, like most Western Europe countries, are about as "Christian" as any retail store in the US - they might observe holidays, but that's it.

All I could tell from reading the article was it talked about Christmas, which (and hopefully our Danish members can clarify) seems to be wayyyyy more about tradition than actual Christianity.

(https://www.visitnordjylland.com/ln-int/christmas-north-denmark/danish-christmas-traditions)

So it's more about the culture than a religion.

 

[cryptoadam]

The portion about Christmas and Easter was obviously put in there for sensationalism. I highly doubt Denmark is indoctrinating 1 years olds to fight the crusades. They will probably make cookies learn about Santa and paint some eggs. If you read further down the article one of the women complains about how her kids learned so much about Christmas. Its a hook to get people outraged. Go check out ERA it works on their simple minds.

These immigrants aren't for now contributing to Denmark's society but they are taking a whole lot. Giving them free day care in exchange for the state taking care of them and sending them a cheque every week is a fair trade off. It also opens more time for them to get an education or a job while their children are better integrating into Danish society.

Now the rest of the laws they talked about are too far right for me. Muslim immigration is becoming a huge issue in Denmark and across Europe. The left and center have been un prepared for this and have let it fester and the rise of the far right is in response to that. Interesting times ahead for Europe.

 

[Tumle]

It seems a bit much especially since it starts at the age of 1. Shouldn't pre-school somewhat educate these kids on Danish values outside of the Christian portion.

It’s not about teaching 1 year olds it’s about getting them out amongst other 1 year olds and getting the experience of being around danish kids and the adults looking after them.. getting them to meet other kids outside of there own families.. for Danes it’s natural to send there kids to daycare and kindergarten.. Even if it is optional.. when your not exposed to the culture of the country you live in before your 6 can become problematic and alienating.. it’s not so much the fault of the immigrants, it’s just a difference in culture.. and how we in Denmark sees it as just as much societies, obligation to take care of the kids as it is the families, where it’s mostly just the families job where the parents come from

 

[Tumle]

All I could tell from reading the article was it talked about Christmas, which (and hopefully our Danish members can clarify) seems to be wayyyyy more about tradition than actual Christianity.

(https://www.visitnordjylland.com/ln-int/christmas-north-denmark/danish-christmas-traditions)

So it's more about the culture than a religion.

Yea it’s more about the old time Viking jul tradition and then slapping on some Jesus just to appease the Christians
But it’s more about Christmas gnomes and feasting, drinking julebryg(Christmas beer) dancing around the Christmas tree and giving presents.. Christianity is more of an afterthought

 

[Arkage]

Teaching them liberal democratic values is great. Convincing them those values are worth it despite the high unemployment is another matter.

 

[Tumle]

Teaching them liberal democratic values is great. Convincing them those values are worth it despite the high unemployment is another matter.

Danish unemployment is at around 4.8% as of February 2018.. doesn’t sound very high to me..

 

[Captain Zyrain]

I do think it's interesting that elsewhere this discussion is labeled "Denmark harsh new laws for non white non Christians".

That is certainly one way to put a spin on the discussion before people even read it.

Danish unemployment is at around 4.8% as of February 2018.. doesn’t sound very high to me..

One of the quotes from the article:

Mjolnerparken is, by the numbers, one of Denmark’s worst ghettos: 43 percent of its residents are unemployed, 82 percent come from “non-Western backgrounds,” 53 percent have scant education and 51 percent have relatively low earnings.

Is that only in "ghettos" where its so high?

 

[NahaNago]

It’s not about teaching 1 year olds it’s about getting them out amongst other 1 year olds and getting the experience of being around danish kids and the adults looking after them.. getting them to meet other kids outside of there own families.. for Danes it’s natural to send there kids to daycare and kindergarten.. Even if it is optional.. when your not exposed to the culture of the country you live in before your 6 can become problematic and alienating.. it’s not so much the fault of the immigrants, it’s just a difference in culture.. and how we in Denmark sees it as just as much societies, obligation to take care of the kids as it is the families, where it’s mostly just the families job where the parents come from

I can kind of see that when you have Denmark kids raised on Christmas, easter, or other cultural things and the muslim kids skip all of these cultural holidays/events because the parents don't celebrate them. The view on society raising a kid I'm not completely for but I can understand the appeal of it. I'm just weirded out over them focusing on the kids when it is the adults that they are having problems with.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

I can kind of see that when you have Denmark kids raised on Christmas, easter, or other cultural things and the muslim kids skip all of these cultural holidays/events because the parents don't celebrate them. The view on society raising a kid I'm not completely for but I can understand the appeal of it. I'm just weirded out over them focusing on the kids when it is the adults that they are having problems with.

They've probably realized by now there is no changing/saving the adults at this point. Might as well start with a new generation and hope they grow up respecting Danish values?

 

[Tumle]

I can kind of see that when you have Denmark kids raised on Christmas, easter, or other cultural things and the muslim kids skip all of these cultural holidays/events because the parents don't celebrate them. The view on society raising a kid I'm not completely for but I can understand the appeal of it. I'm just weirded out over them focusing on the kids when it is the adults that they are having problems with.

Yea I understand that.. I’m not a big fan of the politicians that have put this into work.. because they are pretty right leaning(well the ruling party is right wing, there supporting party is ultra right wing when it comes to immigration).. but i don’t see this as a bad “experiment”, because there are groups of immigrants that have closed them selves out of the Society they live in..

who’s fault is it? I’m not sure there is a clear answer for that.. also I’m not sure that this is the only thing that has been put forward to combat the imgigrant ghettos forming.. if it is then it’s probably because the parties that have pushed this through sees the older generations as a lost cause.. and that’s unfortunate..

I need to read up on what else they have put forward.. I’m afraid that, that is more damaging than this is.. which I actually find kind of ok

I don’t know how it is where you live.. but here the right and the wellbeing of the child always comes first.. Not saying that they would just remove children from there parents on a whim.. but specially educated social workers are helping parents to tackle there problems and only in very very few instances will find it necessary to remove the child.