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[plantedunicorn]

It's beyond me why these nerfs are implemented in PVE.

As someone who gives little shit about PVP, I'm tired of them nerfing everything and not giving a fuck what it does to the PVE. In my opinion I feel Sunsinger needed some sort of PVE buff. In fact, all Warlock classes needed some PVE buff.

 

[bagandscalpel]

Global reload speed for every single weapon

Did you forget "buff" or "nerf" in that sentence? Or is that saying that all KF raid weapons now have the same reload speed?

EDIT: Thanks for the clarifications.

 

[LifEndz]

I wonder if Deej thinks he's a funny guy or if he's just being condescending as all hell.

 

[Mixolydian]

Bummer. Was waiting for today to decide if I would return, but I guess not. The upcoming tweaks seem arbitrary in some cases (not all). What's with nerf ing thorn again? Wasn't it already basically dead after the last nerf? Well, dead as in hardly anyone used it, at least in my experience.

 

[Melchiah]

The one thing they should have changed, is the need to go to the Tower to get bounties, gain access to inventory, and how you need to reload the area when you change a character.

 

[SimpleCRIPPLE]

Did you forget "buff" or "nerf" in that sentence? Or is that saying that all KF raid weapons now have the same reload speed?

They're getting a global reload buff.

 

[Namikaze1]

Did you forget "buff" or "nerf" in that sentence? Or is that saying that all KF raid weapons now have the same reload speed?

I forgot to add buff.

 

[Trace]

I'm convinced that Bungie still has no idea what makes PvP about their game fun and how they ruined it in The Taken King.

 

[LifEndz]

I'm convinced that Bungie still has no idea what makes PvP about their game fun and how they ruined it in The Taken King.

"We're watching to see what you enjoy, and doing our best to ruin it."

 

[robertlebrone]

So the balancing philosophy is if something is popular, nerf it so people feel like they have options?

This has been the philosophy from the beginning.

 

[celestial body]

So as someone who hasn't played since the month TTK released, is there anything new (ie: content) that would make me want to come back in this update?

Is this getting a TTK scale DLC in the fall?

There's this free update coming next week which re-introduces POE, has a new strike and ups the light to 335 and some overall changes eg infusion being 1:1 now, gun balance etc. Really depends if you enjoyed POE or not.

Then there is a "large expansion" later on in the year, probably in September.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

Auto Rifles: Based damage for bullet hoses are coming down a bit
Based damage for low rate of fire ARs like Suros Regime is coming up

Hand cannon: Increasing ammo inventory

Snipers: Changes on zoom distance (RIP shortgaze)
Two additional frames of zoom time
Snapshot nerf (from 30% to 20%)
Stability is reduced a bit for snipers all around

Pulse Rifles: Based damage for guns like Spare change is coming up a bit

Fusion Rifles: blanket stability increase


Exotics
Mida Multi Tool: removing High Caliber Rounds
Less flinch

Suros Regime: spinning perk will kick in a little later (4 bullets later than usual)
Focus Fire got a range buff

Hawkmoon: Range got increased a bit

Last Word: Hip Fire boost got nerfed. Bad.

So high impact pulse rifles will make a hard come back? My Messenger <3 Also, my Darkblade Spite and Thesan is going to annihilate people in the crucible holy shit.

Thorn is dead.

Thorn: minimized DoT damage
Reduced duration of pulse

Ice Breaker: you will no longer get ammo from switching this to a different weapon (RIP IB switch tactic)

Thorn should've been dead from the beginning. Scrubby ass gun used as a crutch.

Sunsinger:
- lower flame shield
- reduce flame shield frequency
- Radiance + Fireborn doesn't last as long

Stormcaller:
- super drains a lot faster now if spamming your lightning
- perk that adds an aura around does a bit more damage in PvE

Voidwalker is getting a bit of a buff

LOLOLOLOL I have no sympathy for Warlocks.

 

[Namikaze1]

Forgot to mention but Firebolt is getting nerfed.


Kidding.

It isn't.

Nothing is is being done to it.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

May just be enough for me to jump back on the bandwagon

Spoiler

Till hard mode content becomes farmable again.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

So the Stormcaller super is even more unless in PvE now? Be surprised if it can kill a single yellow bar enemy.

 

[TheFlow]

these nerfs shouldnt apply to pve. just makes everything more of a pain.

 

[Melchiah]

As someone who gives little shit about PVP, I'm tired of them nerfing everything and not giving a fuck what it does to the PVE. In my opinion I feel Sunsinger needed some sort of PVE buff. In fact, all Warlock classes needed some PVE buff.

Yeah, it sucks for PVE players. It's a downer that my most used sub-class is going to be nerfed next week. I'm even less interested to play the harder PVE content now than before.

 

[EloquentM]

these nerfs shouldnt apply to pve. just makes everything more of a pain.

This is something I'm hoping they're correcting in destiny 2. It seems it might be a limitation of their engine currently Or they probably just don't care

 

[Strangelove77]

So PvE is shittier now. Good to know.

 

[Chamber]

Sunsinger:
- lower flame shield
- reduce flame shield frequency
- Radiance + Fireborn doesn't last as long

Stormcaller:
- super drains a lot faster now if spamming your lightning
- perk that adds an aura around does a bit more damage in PvE

Voidwalker is getting a bit of a buff

They did us dirty.

 

[reson8or]

As someone who gives little shit about PVP, I'm tired of them nerfing everything and not giving a fuck what it does to the PVE. In my opinion I feel Sunsinger needed some sort of PVE buff. In fact, all Warlock classes needed some PVE buff.

Totally agree, Nova bomb is complete shit in PVE unless your just killing trash.

 

[Marvel]

They did us dirty.

Yeah.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

They did us dirty.

My heart hurts. This is terrible

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Less heavy in pvp is a good thing. Fuck thorn. Also it sounds like you can get to max level without lfg now. Good update. I'm back next week.

 

[Melchiah]

This is something I'm hoping they're correcting in destiny 2. It seems it might be a limitation of their engine currently Or they probably just don't care

Whether I'll buy Destiny 2 or not, depends greatly on how PVE is going to be handled. If everything continues to be done according to the PVP side, I might as well pass.

 

[EloquentM]

Destiny global nerf + division may nerf = fuck this shit

Let's inflate the time sink and difficulty of PVE guys our fan base will love us for it.

 

[Arrrammis]

Destiny global nerf + division may nerf = fuck this shit

Let's inflate the time sink and difficulty of PVE guys our fan base will love us for it.

Well, on the bright side, Dark Souls 3 releases on tuesday as well, so there's still something to look forward to .

 

[pasta_fire]

So these are the changes we have to deal with until the fall DLC? Interesting. Bring on Dark Souls.

 

[Trace]

Well, on the bright side, Dark Souls 3 releases on tuesday as well, so there's still something to look forward to .

That's the thing. I may have given these changes a bit of a shot, but Dark Souls 3 + Ratchet and Clank and then Uncharted next month means I have no time for any of them.

 

[RecRoulette]

I appreciate Bungie respecting my time and allowing me to play other games while I wait for October.

I never get these updates, it's like they fix one necessary item and then "fix" two more random things no one asked for just to mess with people

 

[celestial body]

Destiny global nerf + division may nerf = fuck this shit

Let's inflate the time sink and difficulty of PVE guys our fan base will love us for it.

On PvE side it sounds like they reduced the grind though. Many more activities to get max light gear and increased drops overall. Plus there is 1:1 infusion so updating your favourite gear doesn't cost you light. Unless I'm misunderstanding the streams.

 

[Melchiah]

Well, on the bright side, Dark Souls 3 releases on tuesday as well, so there's still something to look forward to .

I was worrying how I'll find time for both, but the news about PVE nerfs erased that problem for me.

 

[EloquentM]

On PvE side it sounds like they reduced the grind though. Many more activities to get max light gear and increased drops overall. Plus there is 1:1 infusion so updating your favourite gear doesn't cost you light. Unless I'm misunderstanding the streams.

No you're right there (the grind comment was more so for division) but by scaling classes to pvp they're inflating the difficulty of certain characters in pve. Those changes definitely don't make me want to use my warlock alt ever.

 

[Trace]

I appreciate Bungie respecting my time and allowing me to play other games while I wait for October.

I never get these updates, it's like they fix one necessary item and then "fix" two more random things no one asked for just to mess with people

"We're going to take the popular items and nerf them like the community asked for. Also, we're going to nerf these other five items because we think they look funny. On the other hand, we're nerfing all your PvE stuff, because we need our current content to last another five months."

"Btw we're also buffing a bunch of PvP stuff that is fine currently so we can have something for you guys to complain about later and we can pretend we're doing something."

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

They did us dirty.

Yeah.

My heart hurts. This is terrible

 

[EloquentM]

Someone put a warlock face on toby

 

[darkistheway]

Well, on the bright side, Dark Souls 3 releases on tuesday as well, so there's still something to look forward to .

There is still time for From to join in on the Great Nerfing of 2016.

 

[EmeraldSwords]

So PvE is shittier now. Good to know.

Yep. PVE just keeps getting fucking shittier every time. These guys seriously have their thumbs up their asses and are so clueless as to how to balance their game.

Oh and fuck off Deej.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

Someone put a warlock face on toby

And label Jameson as a Nightstalkers while the other guy is a Titan.

 

[XAL]

same

oh no easy mode destiny has been balanced

 

[EloquentM]

same

oh no easy mode destiny has been balanced

It's not even about it being easy mode. They effectively chopped off the warlocks legs lol.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I don't play much PvP, and when I do it's with my Hunter, so not a huge impact to me. But the weapon nerfs and adjustments are going to adversely impact PvE, which is a serious bummer.

It's not even about it being easy mode. They effectively chopped off the warlocks legs lol.

Well, they spend all their time floating around anyways.

 

[XAL]

It's not even about it being easy mode. They effectively chopped off the warlocks legs lol.

long overdue leg choppin'

 

[Marvel]

long overdue leg choppin'

lol

Time to put more time into that Hunter I just made haha

 

[reson8or]

long overdue leg choppin'

Don't worry, they'll still wreck you.

 

[XAL]

Don't worry, they'll still wreck you.

lol ok sad kid

I play all 3, warlocks were just disgustingly easy to wreck everything with. The nerfs were a long time coming and are completely deserved.

 

[Insaniac]

Well, if those ArcLock duration nerfs are anything like what they did with the Hunter achlyophage, then its time to switch classes. ArcLock will probably be the new Bladedancer in PvE

 

[Servbot #42]

I'm trying to decide if this is a good time to jump into Destiny or to wait until the next expansion, depending on how this April update is received i'll probably bite now, maybe.

 

[Melchiah]

I don't play much PvP, and when I do it's with my Hunter, so not a huge impact to me. But the weapon nerfs and adjustments are going to adversely impact PvE, which is a serious bummer.

I recently reached 300 with my year one Hunter, so that would be an option, but I like to play as a Warlock more. Sunsinger worked better for me in solo PVE missions, like Fear's Embrace.

 

[EloquentM]

I don't play much PvP, and when I do it's with my Hunter, so not a huge impact to me. But the weapon nerfs and adjustments are going to adversely impact PvE, which is a serious bummer.



Well, they spend all their time floating around anyways.

long overdue leg choppin'

Warlock is my fave alt because you feel like a grenade launching tank. Now I feel they'll be flimsy like my primary hunter which sucks because they're not even close to as agile as the hunter in pve.