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Developers hate Series S
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Schmendrick
Member
Not saying this is true as twitterusers tend to talk a lot of bullshit as the day goes on, but as a developer myself I could at least understand not wanting to have to deal with that situation.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Well there's no guarantee at all that they're releasing stuff for Switch 2. Traditionally they miss most larger 3rd party games. Switch 2 is likely going to be a flood of PS4 gen ports that people can now play portable.
The Cockatrice
Member
Series S is not a portable device, but wear that tag proudly my guy.
you know the difference
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Not the same and deep down you know this
Feature parity is what seems to be the problem here
Matsuchezz
Member
Not only developers I hate the little bugger too. It disgusts me. People will be in denial to the grave.
Best deal in gaming and series s are god sent
Best deal in gaming and series s are god sent
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K2D
Banned
I have an incling that data streaming (streaming and culing textures for LOD reasons) and direct storage is hampered by series s and therefore cannot be used for gameplay features on multiplatform games.
I hope the most ambitious upcoming games ditch the series consoles if this is the case.....
I hope the most ambitious upcoming games ditch the series consoles if this is the case.....
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NoLootBoxDev
Member
The steam deck has 16gb of ram and I bet the switch 2 will as well
I would love to know the complaint because I bet it has to do with ram configuration and nothing else
If ms had just given the s 16 gb of ram I bet these complaints wouldn't exist
Mr Moose
Member
Scared of being bought by MS like the id dev.
nightmare-slain
Member
Microsoft need to let Series S versions cut features or let developers make games just for Series X.
They also need to be open and let owners know that they arent guaranteed all games or parity going forwards.
Bring the Series X down in price and bring out a Pro model.
They also need to be open and let owners know that they arent guaranteed all games or parity going forwards.
Bring the Series X down in price and bring out a Pro model.
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Salz01
Member
You hate Alex or the Series S…..
NeverYouMind
Member
Me enjoying playing my Series S while reading this:
Those are one unit and devs aren't forced to put their game on those handhelds.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Its true, what we heard as devs prior to release, wasn't true. We here didn't received XSS for development for over 2 years. XSX dev kits are overpowered even to XSX retail units and that GDK software profile, really works how they told it, but it seems it just limits resolution and VRAM (SW wise), but then you get hands on true HW and its...a mess.... X1X is better designed and more powerful GPU wise in a lot of scenarios.
So yeah, I was hopeful for some major API update, but sadly thats probably not coming for it. There is a lot of cool tech in consoles, which sadly isn't that useful when you are RAM bound.
So yeah, I was hopeful for some major API update, but sadly thats probably not coming for it. There is a lot of cool tech in consoles, which sadly isn't that useful when you are RAM bound.
Interfectum
Member
Makes the Series S seem more pathetic, doesn't it?
RagnarokIV
Member
Dunno but a few tweets in and I nope'd out. Generic 'game journalist' type
The lack of RAM and Microsofts requirement of parity is the issue here. The steam deck is a different beast entirely and getting steam deck verified does not mean its expected to have all the features of other PC systems, simply that it runs ok when the correct settings are applied.
Really is going to be a nightmare once the PS5 Pro gets released.
Really is going to be a nightmare once the PS5 Pro gets released.
1.6 tf is way less.of a problem than less ram, 4k to 1080p to 720p, 1/9 the floating point on gpu, (not exactly but res drops free up loads of cpu) reduced particles, reduce other graphics effects will free up way more computational power than they will ram
Calling 911 Melts Beams
Banned
they just hate poor people
good
Interfectum
Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Deck has more RAM than Series S.
No Because Deck can run at lowest setting at 1280x800 or less and the game still being Deck verified + no dev is obligated to make their game Deck verified. Series S still have to maintain basically the same graphics settings at lower resolutions only.
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Riky
$MSFT
That's why I said different compromises, you can only do so much with a 1.6 tflop machine but Devs are happy to get their games Steamdeck verified when it hasn't got anywhere near the userbase of Series S. So I don't think Xbox will have to worry, the gap between One X and One S was in fact far larger in GPU, CPU and speed of ram but developers managed just fine. Publishers have the final say and Devs will do what they are paid to do .
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Duchess
Member
Today I learned that if you make a game, you MUST release it on Switch and Steam Deck.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Again the problem does not seem to be getting the game to run it’s the forced parity
You even just said the possible fix allow Devs to make compromises even to the series s
GreyHand23
Member
Switch 2 is one platform and will have the sales to justify it. Steam Deck is just an extension of the PC which is already supported.
RagnarokIV
Member
Yup, shoot the messenger, not the mounting evidence in front of your eyes.
You what? I don't care about Series S. This guy just winds me up with shit like:
Don't be roping me into your arguments.
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Riky
$MSFT
PC that shares a GDK with Series consoles.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
This again?
Most of the devs that complain are able to somehow get their unoptimised games to run on worse PC hardware than the Series S. Hell, even BG3 from Larian has the following minimum spec…
OS: Windows 10 64-bit. Processor: Intel I5 4690 / AMD FX 8350. Memory: 8 GB RAM. Graphics: Nvidia GTX 970 / RX 480 (4GB+ of VRAM)
Most of the devs that complain are able to somehow get their unoptimised games to run on worse PC hardware than the Series S. Hell, even BG3 from Larian has the following minimum spec…
OS: Windows 10 64-bit. Processor: Intel I5 4690 / AMD FX 8350. Memory: 8 GB RAM. Graphics: Nvidia GTX 970 / RX 480 (4GB+ of VRAM)
Interfectum
Member
What does his views on FF16 have to do with developers he's talked to at Gamescom? Again, attacking the messenger instead of the message.
Zheph
Member
so 12 GB of RAM
balls of snow
Member
Keep the pressure on. Ms will come around and change the clause. And suddenly, the usual twithards will say its the bestest most logical idea Phil has ever had.
Topher
Gold Member
Minimum memory requirements are above what XSS has.
Of course, you need to learn to code instead of releasing shit that uses 4 cores / 8 threads at best while stuttering below 60 FPS with an RTX 4090 at 1080p.
Not only the GTX 970 has the same, if not worse bandwith (see: the 0.5GB controversy) and smaller memory (3.5GB hence the controversy) , the CPU is vastly worse than the one in the current consoles.
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