Considering how hard they're pushing the "other vendors can choose to implement it too!" angle at their conference right now, I'd be surprised if they tried anything like that.
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DICE: PS4 & Mantle will drive Frostbite design and optimisation going forward
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Considering how hard they're pushing the "other vendors can choose to implement it too!" angle at their conference right now, I'd be surprised if they tried anything like that.
It already is in BF4...and that's a relatively 'first-gen'/early/immature/unoptimised example.
It will be easier to port Mantle code between PC and PS4, the mantle optimizations will work well with the PS4, if the code can be ported quicker and with some optimizations from mantle in place then the PS4 will start from a higher place than the XB1 after the first build of a game is up and running.
Dictator93
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Nice pointless personal antagonism. Trying to make friends I see.
Once i was member but then i took new thread search fail in the knee
DirgeExtinction
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This doesn't mean the next gen console versions will be getting an update that greatly boosts performance, does it?
I'm still confused as to how Mantle will affect the PS4/XB1 versions of Frostbite games.
ThePowerofX
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"The PlayStation 4 blew me away but I’m conscious about being too positive about it because of course we have other partners that are competing." — AMD's chief graphics architect, John Gustafson
Yeah but he didn't say any other vendors are actually using it. What I took from it is there's nothing preventing NV from using it - but the big question is will they.
BlackBuzzard
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Muppet of a Man
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PS4 Lead EA dev platform confirmed. PS4 superior EA console multiplats confirmed.
That's a wonderful quote.
This doesn't mean the next gen console versions will be getting an update that greatly boosts performance, does it?
I'm still confused as to how Mantle will affect the PS4/XB1 versions of Frostbite games.
Let me help you out: because next-gen consoles are now more like PC's than ever, AMD has designed Mantle (an API for usage on PC's) that is closely related to the same library of dev tools used on PS4/Xbone. What this means is that now, more than ever, PC/PS4/Xbone are interconnected and porting from PC to PS4/Xbone or vice versa is fluid and easy in comparison to the days of old. Developers will spend less time tearing their hair out trying to troubleshoot/develop/optimize for multiple platforms, OSes, and API's, and more time getting the most out of hardware/making games look beautiful/sounding great and also making the worlds more immersive and vast than ever.
It also means that games using Mantle on PC will get big performance boosts/fancier effects thanks to devs being able to tap into the hardware more easily/less overhead costs. Everyone wins.
NOT NVIDIA.
DICE AND EA. This API is created by DICE and EA. AMD got involved probably because new consoles have AMD hardware in them so they wanted to start with AMD tech to port over console like API. Essentially AMD provided them support instead of them creating it.
At least that is how it looked like from repi presentation
oh artist, be nice
I am fairly uneducated about computing and hardware but I assume that using Mantle allows you basically to code on the metal directly which was possible on console but wasn't so far on PC.
edit : others replied in greater detail
It was certainly not created by DICE and EA. It may have been created as a response to what EA and DICE wanted, but AMD is the one who developed it.
This doesn't mean the next gen console versions will be getting an update that greatly boosts performance, does it?
I'm still confused as to how Mantle will affect the PS4/XB1 versions of Frostbite games.
I think I remember last time they talked about it, that they would update the next gen consoles. But I may remember it wrong, or it could have changed.
Yo, DICE, how about working on fixing the fucking game that millions of people have already spent $60+ on instead of working on a goddamn API that only ~20-30% of your PC customers will benefit from. No one will give a shit that they get 10 more FPS when the game is still constantly crashing. Priorities totally out of whack.
This doesn't mean the next gen console versions will be getting an update that greatly boosts performance, does it?
Consoles have their own [and even faster and more efficient] APIs. Mantle takes those techniques and translates them to PC space.
The only benefit that consoles will have from Mantle, is that more developers will spend more time working with low-overhead APIs, learning new techniques that can be used on both consoles and PC.
googleplex
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I don't think people understand how huge this is for PC and PS4 gaming.
The PC patch is schedule for tomorrow.
Nothing. Sorry
Mantle is supported by PS4/Xbone. It's a low level API for PC, but is the quite similar to low levels API's on PS4/Xbone. But BIG PROBLEM for XO is the eSRAM and a weaker GPU.
Well, you could go buy a laptop with a Nvidia 650M and it would have the letters A, M, and D in it
vpance
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CPU utilization with mantle compared to DX or GL api
CPU utilization on PC via DX sucks balls.
^ I think that kinda nails it; Consoles already have their own low-level APIs. Mantle is a similar low-level API for PC so that it can get "console-like" optimization as well.
As far as squeezing out more performance in PS4 games, I think that's what console optimizations are for; Mantle wouldn't directly help.
Unless someone can confirm this though, it's all from my behind.
SolidSnakex
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DirgeExtinction
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Still salty that AMD released a product that cratered the price of your card. Good thing is cheaper prices for everyone, even if Nvidia is slightly uncomfortable.Because AMD released some more pointless PR presentasions ?
The problem with AMD is that they talk much and have beatifull visions of future but when time to deliver comes we receive Bulldozers, turtle slow apus, jaguar cores which lose to atom or 290X space heaters and on software front they have such successes as their PhysX alernative with 0 titles support and TressFX with 1 game support.
Yeah it really is suprising some people are sceptical
Besides, this wasnt a presentation by AMD, its quite evident you havent been paying attention.
Heh, it was personal argument between us. He kept insisting that Mantle was pointless and AMD should've gone with a "better" approach and just went with OpenGL. From Johan's presentation, the opposite is true.
Portugeezer
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I hope that means more than just higher resolution on PS4 games vs Xbone versions.
triplestation
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dear DICE,
please make Battlefield Bad Company 3
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please make Battlefield Bad Company 3
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xoxoxoxo
=/ I'm never getting over that.That was obvious the day that the Xbox One was announced
B_Boss
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Why would someone be upset if the price of their card falls? Do people get upset when Apple lowers the price of the current ipad when a new ipad comes out? Are you going to be upset when AMD/Nvidia come out with their next gen cards and it lowers the price of your current card?
In the grand scheme of things, Mantle is still pointless. Need to see much broader adoption by developers and much higher penetration of AMD cards.
jacksepticeye
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Makes me wanna get an AMD GPU.... But I've always been team Green D:
Better to be team flexible. For now the best team is still Team Green. AMD's only claim to fame right now is Mantle, which has a long way to go before it can be taken seriously. Nvidia beats AMD at the high end, Nvidia still has better driver support, AMD has no answer to Shadowplay, and of course let's not forget G-Sync.
Using the same logic I could say the same for G-Sync (despite my enthusiasm for the tech) but that would be silly.
rudieboy77
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So this is going to sidestep directX correct?
Tal Shiar Agent
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Well lets hope that this will mean that Star Wars: Battlefront will run at native 1080p with a solid 60fps.