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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Digital Foundry: Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne - Retro PC Time Capsule vs PS2 - Can Consoles Cope?
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Lumpyoatmeal
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I got this game when it came out and I never bothered to play it. This shit is somewhere in my storage, I need to find it.
squarealex
Member
Just check on ebay.com, the game is at 10 / 15€ on Xbox version..
A bit shame, I would lovit see PS2 / Xbox vs PC
intbal
Member
Already finished watching it, but I think he said "in time". So I suspect he couldn't wait for it to be shipped to him.
But the digital purchase would have been instant.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps it can't be purchased digitally on the Xbox 360 store in Germany.
fatmarco
Member
It would be a more legitimate discussion.
For whatever reason I'm reminded of the Ace Combat 7 tech discussion, where he only compared Ace Combat 7 to the every Ace Combat game from 1-5, completely ignoring both Ace Combat 6 and Assault Horizon on the Xbox 360, the problem being that Ace Combat 7 was only impressive (imo) when not compared to its actual direct technological predecessors in Ace Combat 6 and AC (This is further exacerbated by the fact they literally gave away free digital copies of Ace Combat 6 with pre-orders of the Xbox version of 7, so the idea they might not have had access to it is nonsense).
Having said that, the PC version of Max Payne 2 has always totally smoked the console versions. Even the Xbox version isn't anywhere near it (maybe more due to the fact it was a barebones port).
Onironauta
Member
Or maybe he wanted to avoid emulation at all costs
NeverYouMind
Member
Max Payne 2 was a graphical showcase for the classic Xbox. I also grabbed a digital copy on Series S. It seems really dumb to compare a downgraded console copy to an enhanced PC port.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All OG BC Xbox games being BC enhanced is a fantastic way to replay. I have Jade Empire's BC version and the only thing I wish it had was a 16 : 9 wide-screen mode. It's 4 : 3 and equivalent of 4K at 60 FPS.
i rmemebr playing max payne on PC when it released and I believe it was PC only for a while? i don't remember it on ps2.
for what it's worth, around that time I do recall most games that were ported either way, be it pc to console or console to pc, always were not nearly as good as their native platform. console games suffered on PC due to windows 2000/xp poor drivers and lack of low level hardware access and PC games suffered on console due to low effort ports.
for what it's worth, around that time I do recall most games that were ported either way, be it pc to console or console to pc, always were not nearly as good as their native platform. console games suffered on PC due to windows 2000/xp poor drivers and lack of low level hardware access and PC games suffered on console due to low effort ports.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
The PS2 version of Payne 2 is awful, especially compared to the original Xbox version. Still have mine. The fact John said he couldn’t easily get a copy is horseshit. They’re out there still for cheap and you can grab it digitally on the XB BC library.
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diffusionx
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I played MP1 on Xbox, it was a good port but IIRC the PS2 version of MP2 was notoriously bad. I ended up playing the 2nd game on PC in a pirated copy (sorry Remedy lol).
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Senua
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He said he couldn't get it in time for the video
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Nope they couldn't and the PS2 version was big pile of steaming shit even compared to PS2 games.
I even saw PSX textures
So it'll be PC Vs Consoles
The loser will shut up and stop making stupid comments.
Nah seriously Max Payne 2 on PC was on another level, but that PS2 version could of been better.
It was terrible.
I even saw PSX textures
That's why we're gonna do a comparison of your Copy of Max Payne 2 Vs Max Payne 2 Remake on consoles.
So it'll be PC Vs Consoles
The loser will shut up and stop making stupid comments.
Nah seriously Max Payne 2 on PC was on another level, but that PS2 version could of been better.
It was terrible.
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intbal
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Dug out my Xbox copy of Max Payne 2 (that's a lie, it was on the shelf beside me).
Haven't played it in about twenty years.
Tried it in both my Xbox and 360.
Visually there's no difference, so the 360 emulation is a perfect match (360 emu is supposed to add MSAA to OG Xbox games, but it doesn't do it with all titles. And I couldn't tell in this case). Performance seemed more erratic on 360.
Compared to what John showed on the PS2, the Xbox version has significantly more detailed textures, lighting, and geometry. It has cutbacks to scene complexity, however, just like the PS2. Fewer objects, no mirrors, etc. The aiming on the Xbox version seems rather poorly-tuned (I remember that aspect pretty well). I don't like the "Fast Aim" button click instead of just giving Max a faster camera speed all the time. It's pretty clunky and hard to control.
Ultimately, there's no real reason to ever play Max Payne 2 on Xbox or 360 if you have an Xbox One or higher, since it's backwards compatible and much better on the new systems.
(the one expection being CRT support on Xbox/360)
Haven't played it in about twenty years.
Tried it in both my Xbox and 360.
Visually there's no difference, so the 360 emulation is a perfect match (360 emu is supposed to add MSAA to OG Xbox games, but it doesn't do it with all titles. And I couldn't tell in this case). Performance seemed more erratic on 360.
Compared to what John showed on the PS2, the Xbox version has significantly more detailed textures, lighting, and geometry. It has cutbacks to scene complexity, however, just like the PS2. Fewer objects, no mirrors, etc. The aiming on the Xbox version seems rather poorly-tuned (I remember that aspect pretty well). I don't like the "Fast Aim" button click instead of just giving Max a faster camera speed all the time. It's pretty clunky and hard to control.
Ultimately, there's no real reason to ever play Max Payne 2 on Xbox or 360 if you have an Xbox One or higher, since it's backwards compatible and much better on the new systems.
(the one expection being CRT support on Xbox/360)
Tarnpanzer
Member
Thats not true.
I played both games in 4K/60 on Series X.
So John is actually right, because he would need a physical Xbox Copy on original hardware.
edit: Read your post again, u are right in terms on playing on 360.
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SlimySnake
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PS2 was just a very weird mid gen release of sorts. came out in march 2000 in japan, but didnt see release in the west until november. By the time the Xbox came out, it was almost 2 years old. Of course, it was going to be dated and struggle in comparison.
I played Max Payne on the xbox and it was fine. HL2 and Doom 3 were also released on the Xbox, but the PS2 just couldnt run them. Alex shouldve done a comparison with the Xbox.
YeulEmeralda
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Is Max Payne 2 even legally available for PC? I recall they delisted it from Steam.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
KuraiShidosha
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God I'm so grateful to have been around and enjoying these masterpieces when they launched and that I wasn't a PS2 shitter. Played them all on my gaming PC at the time, an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.3Ghz and Radeon 9700 Pro. Handled them beautifully.