THE:MILKMAN
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$599 would kill it no matter what the specs are to be honest. Unless they go the route of high-end Hi-Fi quality wise or something I can't see that sort of price happening again.
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Digital Foundry: Neo GPU are point-for-point a match for RX 480
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$599 would kill it no matter what the specs are to be honest. Unless they go the route of high-end Hi-Fi quality wise or something I can't see that sort of price happening again.
Dr_Biscuit
Banned
Bullet points :
- They don't consider Neo as a new console, it's not a new gen PS4.
- They didn't want to show the Neo (at E3) because the games are not ready yet.
- They are aware that some people might be upset by the release of a new and better iteration of the PS4. They think it will be only a communication issue.
- The idea of the Neo comes directly from the smartphones business model (i.e iterations of the same system).
- No Neo exclusive games.
- They don't want to disclose any sales target for the PS4 eco-system.
- They don't want to confirm if there will be PS4 - PSVR bundle.
- They don't want to confirm the specs of the Neo and how they will deal with the supposed Tflops difference with Scorpio.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Thanks for the breakdown.
Gonna be interesting to see what Sony has under the hood. I'll be getting one whether it is red pill or blue pill though.
DragonKnight
Member
Its for the high end gamer and meant to co-exist with the ps4. There is no price too high for the high end gamer. This product is not meant for the mainstream. Dont know how many times this has to be stated.
Edit: And I really dont get why some of us are so obsessed with the neo being less powerful than the scorpio. I mean does it really matter that much to you?
serversurfer
Member
We already know they're targeting 20M "PS4" by the end of fiscal, and Neo is apparently included in that estimate, so perhaps he was saying they don't wanna give any estimates for the PS4/Neo split just yet?
Thanks for the translation. <3
I was originally planning to flip my PS4, but then I was thinking I might keep it to power a second PSVR for the wife.
Not sure if this deserves its own thread.
Neo specs - http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/
AMD RX480 Overclocking Tool Leaked Shot - http://videocardz.com/61396/new-amd...exclusive-first-look-at-new-overclocking-tool
Neo specs - http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/
AMD RX480 Overclocking Tool Leaked Shot - http://videocardz.com/61396/new-amd...exclusive-first-look-at-new-overclocking-tool
Insane Metal
Member
Lol
Neo > Scorpio confirmed.
We always knew.
Neo > Scorpio confirmed.
We always knew.
Hawk269
Member
That is over 2 months old. Did you not look at the date?Not sure if this deserves its own thread.
Neo specs - http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/
AMD RX480 Overclocking Tool Leaked Shot - http://videocardz.com/61396/new-amd...exclusive-first-look-at-new-overclocking-tool
Did you look at the date of the second article?
ethomaz
Banned
The power state level of the new OC tool for Radeon RX 480 was leaked yesterday.
He is trying to make a comparison between the 911MHz leaked months ago with the option State 2 @ 910MHz for RX 480.
SRTtoZ
Member
5.5 would be great.
State 4 would mean 5.3TFlops for a 15-20% higher power draw.
SolidSnakex
Member
I find it hard to believe that Sony will ever want to associate the PS brand with $599 again.
Crimson_Gold
Member
598 it is then
Hawk269
Member
Sorry was referring to the first thing he linked under the heading of new specs.
ethomaz
Banned
I think that is a good trade... 26% raw power to 23% power draw.
I'm concerned about the temps that reached over 70C at 1266Mhz and how the mixing with APU will affect these states.
It's easy to offer a premium price sku as long as there are options. Not sure id buy at $599 though. I'd need to see some amazing stuff.
SolidSnakex
Member
But there were options with the initial PS3 release, but the meme that stuck around was $599. It seems like part of this gen has been the distancing themselves from the PS3 screwups. And that price was a major one. Here's the 8GB GDDR5 reveal thread where people were convinced that it was going to mean a $599 pricepoint
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514465
serversurfer
Member
I still think PS4 at $299 for the casuals and Neo at $499 for the hardcore strikes a nice balance. That should keep the thrifty folks happy, and still give Sony enough budget to please the technophiles.
DragonKnight
Member
This sounds right.
Depths of Orion
Member
Not unless they're okay with selling the system at a massive loss. I think it'll be around the $499 mark but who knows. Didn't they sell the ps4 at a loss when it first came out?
get2sammyb
Member
Whatever the Neo turns out to be, I just can't see this current PlayStation management team dropping a a huge howler. They've been too smart this entire generation to blunder it.
Calm Mind
Member
RX470 is its best bet at attaining the original rumored specs at that price.
FalsettoVibe
Member
5.5TF would be great. I'd buy for $450
ethomaz
Banned
RX 470 uses the same chip than RX 480... RX 480 is the closest to rumored specs due numbers of CUs.
Stage 4 is the absolute highest I would expect but it would be damn nice.
I don't think you can "just" cram in that 20% gain in draw and the heat to go along with it without some major potential hazards or needs to revisions for a closed box with a very tight thermal budget.
That depends on the CPU.
That's almost 800$ CAD lol. That would be iiiiiiiinsane. That's the kind of price that could push people to PC lol.
There's also a weird library gap for Scorpio as well if it's a year later. Neo will have more upgraded games on it even if the jump isn't quite as large.
Collateral22
Member
450 for a 5.5TF machine would be perfectly fine for me.
Not expecting this to launch below $499, especially if it's over 5tf and has a better than Jaguar CPU.
if its zen + 5.5 tf gpu itll be over 499 thats for sure
is zen even ready for fall 2016 ? what else can they use for a big cpu upgrade without fucking up BC ?
Collateral22
Member
If it's the higher spec one that is rumored with the much better CPU and 5.5TF then 499 is fine too. I'd gladly pay it.
Corleth the Fey
Member
It's gonna be $399. I think people are forgetting the origin of the Neo. When Sony looked into 'slimming' it, AMD probably said for a bit more money, we can actually give you a large power bump on our new fabrication type.
Sony's plan is quite clever. Price drop the original PS4, to catch the price conscious and later adopters. Release a powered up PS4 at the old price to get the early adopter 'hardcore' to buy a console again.
Seriously, you $499 and up people are living in la la land. You are the only people in the world willing to pay that much for game console. And that my friends is no market worth serving as far as any sane console manufacturer is concerned. And Sony have proven themselves most sane this generation.
Sony's plan is quite clever. Price drop the original PS4, to catch the price conscious and later adopters. Release a powered up PS4 at the old price to get the early adopter 'hardcore' to buy a console again.
Seriously, you $499 and up people are living in la la land. You are the only people in the world willing to pay that much for game console. And that my friends is no market worth serving as far as any sane console manufacturer is concerned. And Sony have proven themselves most sane this generation.
SEGAvangelist
Member
5.5tf means 2017 I guess.
Hawk269
Member
I was wondering the same thing. Hopefully we get solid info soon.