M_A_C
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Thats what I've heard also, that the dark zone is the part with worst performance on XB1, and it seems like DF didn't even test it.
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Digital Foundry Performance Analysis: The Division beta (PS4 Vs. Xbox One)
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Thats what I've heard also, that the dark zone is the part with worst performance on XB1, and it seems like DF didn't even test it.
Nothing to do with being serious about parity, more likely that now the consoles have been out over 2yrs that devs are understanding the architecture more.
Cynn
Member
I put in about 5 hours and didn't notice any drops. Seemed the same as the PS4 beta that I'm also playing.
I'm curious though, where the parity? The beta for the PS4 seems to run flawless while there are obvious hiccups in the XB1 version. Despite the native resolutions on both, seems like the PS4 will get a performance boost. Especially with the final product.
This might be the first MMO style game I grab for the PS4. Hopefully the end product works out.
This might be the first MMO style game I grab for the PS4. Hopefully the end product works out.
dragonzdogma
Member
Before we praise anything is the game any good and worth my 60 bucks, what's this game about? Last tom clancy game I played was rainbow 6 something.
WickedLaharl
Member
The screen tearing is really bad and the textures take a significant hit. I really hope they do a comparison based on the dark zone.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That is just the effects so far, in this build, of an inferior spec'ed machine showing it's performance hurdles while trying to get it up to parity of the other version.
So to flip the perspective, the PS4 has a performance baseline, and they are trying to get the Xbox as close to it as possible. It is still an asset parity, just one is suffering a little more due to it.
I will gladly take this over Destiny and the last gen content parity holding the game back from current gen abilities if one was to compare the two visions.
I think the beta was phenomenal. I won't explain what the game is about because there's enough info out there.
Still...nothing wrong with giving massive props for a good technical accomplishment. Even if the game ends up not being for you.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
And with this, I'd say case closed.
Uh majority of console games have pretty complete asset parity, and especially for Ubi's cross-studio production expecting anything but would be completely unrealistic. Every now and then you do see a few differences in certain materials (due to differences in shaders, texture usage, compression and last-minute optimization), but usually the pipeline is set to produce total parity in assets between the console versions, because approaching better quality per-version is far from worth the ROI.
And performance is certainly a part of the equation, thus the game doesn't reach parity between versions.
There are still plenty of clauses in licensing that dabble on version parity, but as a developer I guarantee that a lot of this "visual parity" stuff is mostly just conspiracy theory (even with regards to Ubisoft and a "company policy", but not a lot I can say nor show on that).
There are certain business/production realities that end up effecting some of these factors, but it's a complex matter of trade-offs between market shares, production efficiency, proprietary technology (for example, I've heard rumors of a scenario where late in development it has been hard to squeeze much more of the visuals when there simply is no room for more draw calls, which actually both consoles can be on pretty similar terms on performance, but then you're talking about API stuff etc. which can't be talked here) and a lot more.
Lakerchick4life
Member
Game looks AMAZING. Will probably get it for the XBOX ONE..just not sure from where, best buy gives you a 10 dollar reward certificate and I have GCU, but with amazon I have prime(Ends on Feb 8th) and I have a gift card so decisions decisions
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Why? If it's easier to get to target on PS4, which is easier to develop, shouldn't there be then more time used to make other version good too. If you have year to make game and PS4 version is "perfectly working" after 8 months, should they use more manpower to make xbone version good, or just keep developing and risking that other version is more of a mess than it should be? I just don't think these things are as black and white as some of you seem to think in this thread.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Yeah. PS4 doesn't have screen tearing, there you go. That shit isn't easy or cheap to pull off.
Also, I'd imagine the PS4 has more of an overhead advantage so when it comes to higher stress tests it'll do a better job of staying at 30 fps w/ 33.33ms input response time.
...or not. Either way, game looks and performs great on both consoles. And I'm glad they made it 1080p on xbox one, that 900p shit on xone needed to stop.
Also, that's the ps4 version with chromatic aberration off and increased sharpness (IN-game sharpness setting mind you, I don't recommend fucking with your tv calibrations just for one game) up to 70. The game has a nice image quality, I don't know why the developers are trying to hide with a soft, chromatic aberrated look.
It won't in near future and beyond.
ninjablade
Banned
yea thats why most graphically demanding games are running at a high resolution on ps4, with better frame rate.
If it's anything like their other games, ubisoft typically has very CPU heavy releases (ass Creed, far cry). It may not be parity for the sake of parity but both systems strengths/weaknesses are just equaling out in this engine. That said, some may have expected marginally better visual fidelity on the PS4 with perhaps less of a fps drop in cpu intensive scenarios on the xbone. Or if many of the other posters on here are to be believed,it's an MS money hat scenario. I don't buy it though as ubisoft has released games at higher resolutions on ps4 than xbone before.
If I like what I am playing tonight I'll likely buy it on PC anyways. I can use my elite controller from my xbone or kb&m and not have to microanalzye every detail on DF, just max it out and let it roll (assuming it's not an unoptimized POS)
It can't be helped considering the hardware, anytime 1080p is achieved Xbox owners are just happy to have it provided the tradeoff's aren't too severe.
On the whole though 900p isn't an issue for me since a lot of games run at that res (and below) so I don't get too used to one particular resolution.
ChaoticBlue
Member
if a multi platform game performs the same on the xbox one as the ps4, i think it's a win for the xbox one.
CrimsonEclipse
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Zombie James
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Oh good, it's 2016 and we're still dealing with parity. Intentionally underutilising hardware isn't going to do Ubisoft any favours.
ChaoticBlue
Member
parity is good. i feel good about playing the division on my xbox one knowing it's the same as the ps4 version. thank you ubisoft. you got yourself a sale here.
Norwegian_Imposter
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My only issue with this is some texture pop in. Like bus signs etc they look great when you've been around them long enough for the texture to set in. Anyone else get that. (Happened on both Xbox one and ps4)
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Please be joking.
Waylon Drums
Member
Parity is good if your version would be the lesser version without it, sure.
boredandlazy
Member
I would say it'd be more a look of confusion regarding the logic used rather than any form of resentment.And on the other side of the fence, staring at you:
That's the trick! but don't feel bad when the patches come along
Given the reasons he gave I would say he's deserving of that look plus a few others.And on the other side of the fence, staring at you:
93xfan
Banned
This game looks mediocre all around and they decided to hold the PS4 version back for parity reasons? Yet another reason for fence sitters to pass on this game.
edit: Don't get why they made X1 the lead platform in the first place. Just make the best looking 1080p game you can on PS4 and lower the resolution/effects to get the X1 version running okay.
Yeah, it's so awesome when devs don't take advantage of the hardware they're provided.
VG Tech's framerate analysis vids show some dark zone footage and in those cases PS4 seems to hold up just as well as in DF's footage while XBO gets a bit shakier. I imagine these situations and later game missions will be where the differences manifest more often.
Xbox One:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvF_TwLtUEM#t=09m54s
PS4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsiu1kpfrY#t=10m21s
Xbox One:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvF_TwLtUEM#t=09m54s
PS4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsiu1kpfrY#t=10m21s
Melchiah
Member
And I guess parity will be bad, if next gen the tables are turned around?
So, you buying only parity games and some exclusives.
17 Seconds
Banned
would be nice if console war nerds could shut up about parity and we could just talk about how the game looks great and runs well on consoles.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
Why are people mentioning the parity thing when its blatantly running worse (performance wise) on the xbox one.
Lets not ptretend that these consoles are more than cheap POS when it comes to hardware. Claiming parity is a little silly. there isn't parity, it';s just the xbox one version is at 1080p and totally fine. THe ps4 version perfoms better and seems to look better in shots I have seen, so why are we talking parity.
Im buying on xbox one. I love all my gaming hardware and i don't understand why anyone would think the ps4 should see some crazy increase on every game. A graphics card is one component. I could put my titan x with a 5960x or put it with an intel celeron and see some massive performance differences.
Having a better GPU is only one part of the puzzle,both consoles have wack CPU's and on the devision Im at 100 percent CPU a lot of the time on my overclocked i7 which smokes the console CPU's
C'mon guys just think a little level headed here. It's not like the ps4 beats the xbox one on every piece of hardware in it.
Hats off to you man! I completely agree. Massive have done a great job.
Edit. I just watched the dark zone videos and if the xbox one dropping a, at most, 3 frames is seen as terrible performance this gen then I think this is the best gen of consoles we have had so far.
PS4 version looks sublime! This looks like an exclusives level of detail
Lets not ptretend that these consoles are more than cheap POS when it comes to hardware. Claiming parity is a little silly. there isn't parity, it';s just the xbox one version is at 1080p and totally fine. THe ps4 version perfoms better and seems to look better in shots I have seen, so why are we talking parity.
Im buying on xbox one. I love all my gaming hardware and i don't understand why anyone would think the ps4 should see some crazy increase on every game. A graphics card is one component. I could put my titan x with a 5960x or put it with an intel celeron and see some massive performance differences.
Having a better GPU is only one part of the puzzle,both consoles have wack CPU's and on the devision Im at 100 percent CPU a lot of the time on my overclocked i7 which smokes the console CPU's
C'mon guys just think a little level headed here. It's not like the ps4 beats the xbox one on every piece of hardware in it.
Hats off to you man! I completely agree. Massive have done a great job.
Edit. I just watched the dark zone videos and if the xbox one dropping a, at most, 3 frames is seen as terrible performance this gen then I think this is the best gen of consoles we have had so far.
Yeah. PS4 doesn't have screen tearing, there you go. That shit isn't easy or cheap to pull off.
Also, I'd imagine the PS4 has more of an overhead advantage so when it comes to higher stress tests it'll do a better job of staying at 30 fps w/ 33.33ms input response time.
...or not. Either way, game looks and performs great on both consoles. And I'm glad they made it 1080p on xbox one, that 900p shit on xone needed to stop.
Also, that's the ps4 version with chromatic aberration off and increased sharpness (IN-game sharpness setting mind you, I don't recommend fucking with your tv calibrations just for one game) up to 70. The game has a nice image quality, I don't know why the developers are trying to hide with a soft, chromatic aberrated look.
PS4 version looks sublime! This looks like an exclusives level of detail
M_A_C
Member
The stats linked in those videos are telling:
Xbone - Total Torn Frames - 998
PS4 - Total Torn Frames - 0
CircleOfFire
Member
Solid performance all-around. Nice job! (No I'm not sarcastic)
Not entirely. Some scenes show subtle differences. Like this one, the texture on the stand is sharper on the PS4 than on the XB1 for example.
Skimming their comparison shots there's a few examples of this, not sure why I should be surprised that this wasn't picked up.
Whelp that sure nixes parity claims. Basically they went for a solid XB1 and took essentially same content to PS4 so sure there's not a huge visual difference but going by this the PS4 is going to be more stable fps overall with zero to no torn frames which in my book (as I hate screen tearing) shows that while perhaps not directly utilized the extra bit of omph in the PS4 is still delivering a better performance.
XB1 still looks decent though and overall looks like it's mostly solid bar the fps drops and torn frames in the more demanding moments.
John Wick
Member
It's an Xbox marketed game. Obviously Politics have been in play. Just wasting the extra juice in the PS4 GPU.
At least we'll get a good laugh from all the people claiming DX12 as the holy grail and the gap decreasing etc
John Wick
Member
Owners of the PS4 expect their version to utilise the extra GPU power to improve the graphics in the game not just match the Xbox One version. Better lighting,AA,AO etc. You need to calm down with your attitude. 30-40% more powerful GPU is significant!
John Wick
Member
Witcher 3 says hi after about a year of patching. Which version ran better at launch? Or the first 6 months?
Where did you find this?