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Digital Foundry: Star Wars Jedi Survivor's New 60FPS Mode - A Massive Improvement? PS5/ Xbox Series X/S Tested!
- Thread starter adamsapple
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Summary
Patch:
- Patch 'promises solid 60 FPS' at the cost of stripping RT in Performance mode
- RTGI and RT Reflections removed, even in cut-scenes which still rendered at 30 FPS.
- At worse it effects lighting, occlusion, neon signs etc. Old RT light looked more 'convincing'
- One additional benefit of stripping RT is that lighting doesn't 'pop' anymore, which was seen in the original setup sometimes.
- Removal doesn't hurt the game as much as you'd think.
- RT Reflections are replaced with SSR. Looks "alright". Can show messy artifacts. SSR 'completely fail' when it comes to water surfaces.
- DF thinks just removing SSR completely would have been a better choice
Visuals:
- New patch has foliage draw distance increased, noticeable in long shots
- Launch version had IQ issue with low resolution upscaling to FSR with visual artifacting
- Post-patch, some artifacting but resolves a better image overall with less artifacting
- Resolution has increased across the board.
- Areas which were 720p before are near 1080p now. Significant improvement in IQ
- PS5 and SX have identical improvements with similar cut-backs in RTGI and reflections
- Performance:
- Pre-patch was pretty rough, avg between 40~60 in opening mission with lows of 30s.
- Post-patch "straight 60 FPS". With minor one-off traversal drops here and there
- Quality mode:
- Retains 30 FPS and original RT. No real change in any visual features
- Frame drops are also mostly still present in the same areas.
- One stress area in Kobo on PS5 which ran at 20s before now runs even worse in the 10s. This is an oddity.
- PS5 has native VRR option added but it doesn't really change much, but it looks like LFC has been added. Now it operates much the same as Series X with VRR
- Any time it falls below LFC range (24fps) tearing and judder returns.
- Series S is more or less the same as launch.
- Performance is consistent, 30 FPS only, no drops seen in testing.
- DF would have liked to see them attempt a 60 FPS mode, with lower visual quality if needed.
Patch:
- Patch 'promises solid 60 FPS' at the cost of stripping RT in Performance mode
- RTGI and RT Reflections removed, even in cut-scenes which still rendered at 30 FPS.
- At worse it effects lighting, occlusion, neon signs etc. Old RT light looked more 'convincing'
- One additional benefit of stripping RT is that lighting doesn't 'pop' anymore, which was seen in the original setup sometimes.
- Removal doesn't hurt the game as much as you'd think.
- RT Reflections are replaced with SSR. Looks "alright". Can show messy artifacts. SSR 'completely fail' when it comes to water surfaces.
- DF thinks just removing SSR completely would have been a better choice
Visuals:
- New patch has foliage draw distance increased, noticeable in long shots
- Launch version had IQ issue with low resolution upscaling to FSR with visual artifacting
- Post-patch, some artifacting but resolves a better image overall with less artifacting
- Resolution has increased across the board.
- Areas which were 720p before are near 1080p now. Significant improvement in IQ
- PS5 and SX have identical improvements with similar cut-backs in RTGI and reflections
- Performance:
- Pre-patch was pretty rough, avg between 40~60 in opening mission with lows of 30s.
- Post-patch "straight 60 FPS". With minor one-off traversal drops here and there
- Quality mode:
- Retains 30 FPS and original RT. No real change in any visual features
- Frame drops are also mostly still present in the same areas.
- One stress area in Kobo on PS5 which ran at 20s before now runs even worse in the 10s. This is an oddity.
- PS5 has native VRR option added but it doesn't really change much, but it looks like LFC has been added. Now it operates much the same as Series X with VRR
- Any time it falls below LFC range (24fps) tearing and judder returns.
- Series S is more or less the same as launch.
- Performance is consistent, 30 FPS only, no drops seen in testing.
- DF would have liked to see them attempt a 60 FPS mode, with lower visual quality if needed.
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saintjules
Member
Reported the update the other week, but good to see DF talking about it.
I guess it truly pays to wait.
I guess it truly pays to wait.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
LOL game looks much better without RT.
IQ definitely looks better, but any place with SSR, it looks way way worse.
Should have just used cube maps and no SSR at all.
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Loving it, best new SW content out there. This makes me want a third person Metroid.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
akaFullmetal
Member
I'll now get the game, been waiting for them to fix this.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
RT on current gen consoles is a waste of FPS unless the game was designed from the ground up with RT lighting in mind and not tackled in at the end for lulz. Look at Metro Exodus, that has has full RTGI on PS5 and runs at 60 FPS and its not even a linear game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The cut-scenes are always targeting a higher resolution, and outside of some one-off drops, they're pretty much 30 all the time.
And yeah, that river part is actually worse now lol.
Insane Metal
Member
Almost 10fps on a ps5 game, amazing stuff lol.
GHG
Member
There's been a recent patch for the PC version but it doesn't seem to have improved much, still widespread reports of the game crashing in the Steam reviews.
On the bright side, by the time it's actually fixed it will be over 50% off.
I'm not sure if there's a boost to geometry but IQ making everything else seem less blocky.Yeah.. but also check this out. Geometry also gets a boost....
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Another one?
I'll play it in performance mode!
I'll play it in performance mode!
Md Ray
Member
Yep, it's in line with the previous and current version's 'Quality Mode'. They traded RT for better outdoor shadow quality (though this one's not mentioned), geometry (also I think not mentioned), foliage draw distance, and better frame rate in Performance mode.Yeah.. but also check this out. Geometry also gets a boost....
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
now I’ll buy it
Mr.Phoenix
Member
smh... I guess you couldn't help yourself. That has nothing to do with RT or PS5.It's clearly some sort of Bug. I mean that part got worse between patches and the mode in question hadn't really changed anything. The whole game screams its something that was just poorly optimized across the board, on both consoles and PC.
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RickMasters
Member
This is why it’s good to leave games in your backlog sometimes and play something that does work properly. I’ll probably play this at some point but right. If it’s all about starfield, SF6, been dipping back into NMS for its new content, and finishing up FM7 in preparation for the new forza. I ain’t even played the first game yet so maybe during Xmas holidays I’ll play the two star wars games back to back. As they both will run at a nice 60.
MALpractice311
Member
How much more evidence do we need that ray tracing is a waste of time and resources on $500 plug and play consoles? They are not $2000 PCs. Stop forcing ray tracing where it isn't working.
Physiognomonics
Member
LFC is nice on PS5, it means VRR is working down to 24fps. Is it the first multiplat game using LFC on PS5?
Why the others developers don't do it in all games?
Why the others developers don't do it in all games?
Fake
Member
Oliver never mention any bug in that scene. RT in water bodies reflections normally are heavy demaning. Even so if you noted in the video, as soon as he get out of the body of water the fps get better. And by the way the devs talked over their blog, we can't sure if this game will ever get everything fixed. The only hope will be the old gen release with a patch for next gen in the same day, but if you missed the last DF Weekly Show is very unlikely.
And WTF are you talking about 'you couldn't help yourself'? Are you high or something?
Mr.Phoenix
Member
So a particular scene gets worse from patch 6.5 to 7, and they have not done or added anything new in the mode in question. Not a higher rez, not any new features.. it just gets worse. While the rest of the game in its entirety gets better.
And you need someone to tell you that it's a bug?
twilo99
Member
Ray Tracing is fine if you have the hardware to do it properly, the current consoles DO NOT posses such hardware.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Really glad I decided to wait for GP on this one. Sounds like it had some issues.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It sold very well, normally games which sell well come to EA Play by 10 or 12 months.
Immortals of Aveum is probably gonna come a lot sooner cause that game didn't do that well.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Agreed.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Wonder if they could have left it as a option though for folks with VRR also the future consoles.
winjer
Gold Member
For future consoles, the best option would be an option to unlock frame rates on the quality mode.
King Dazzar
Member
I held off buying this due to all the bad reports from a technical perspective. But just picked it up on sale for PS5 following the good news with patch 7. Only played the first 10 minutes. But my initial impressions are excellent and beyond my expectations. Great performance so far, excellent visuals (I'm using an 8k upscale on my TV to enhance the detail, which adds a touch more detail). But even so I thought it may look a bit low res etc - but needn't have worried. And must mention the brilliant haptics.
Big thumbs up from moi!
Big thumbs up from moi!