Edgelord79
Gold Member
Exactly. Having to zoom in that much makes pixel counting utterly irrelevant in this case
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Digital Foundry to stop counting Pixels in 2022.
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LordOcidax
Member
The battle for less resolution and more details+Better fps is about to start… BTW… Sony should be happy with this news…
Whats the last video they uploaded that had relevant pixel counts
TransTrender
Gold Member
Didn't watch the video, but what's their business model going forward? Counting pixels is what drives their audience to watch.
bender
What time is it?
Showing the lower and upper bounds of that dynamic range you were able to notice is far more useful than the subjectivity of someone's eye.
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If they don't, others will. In fact, VGtech is practically dedicated to counting resolution and the people will be there.
I do not understand the decision except for the saving of time that it supposes. Because the resolution data is important to know to what ends a hardware is performing, which is what matters in this type of analysis. their analyzes will now be less interesting because they are incomplete.
If they believe that with this they are going to reduce the console war and it is a blow to the toxic fanboy ..... rather the decision is a victory for those toxic fanboys I think.
I do not understand the decision except for the saving of time that it supposes. Because the resolution data is important to know to what ends a hardware is performing, which is what matters in this type of analysis. their analyzes will now be less interesting because they are incomplete.
If they believe that with this they are going to reduce the console war and it is a blow to the toxic fanboy ..... rather the decision is a victory for those toxic fanboys I think.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think as the technical analyst, it's their job to cover stuff like this. Otherwise, how are they any different than say the Gamespot reviewer whose job it is to offer the subjective analysis?
I got a lot of flack for a thread I created on DF's Deathloop analysis where he said something along the lines of 'it isnt trying to push graphics boundries and thats ok because it is pushing game design, art and overall polish.' And I was like I dont come to you for an analysis on game design and art style. Like WTF.
DF needs to figure out what they want to be. And I will be honest, if they want to ditch framerate and resolution analysis and focus only on the tech and how each game looks compared to other games in terms of lighting, character rendering and ray tracing then fine, lets compare Deathloop to Ratchet and ask just why the fuck two next gen only games look a gen apart. Lets discuss just why one game looks significantly better than the other and critique the devs for failing to hit the mark. Let's NOT dismiss mediocre looking games because they are polished and have good gameplay. That's not their job.
If Horizon is being compared with Zelda in game reviews by industry critics then DF should compare Zelda's graphics to Horizon and be critical about it. GT7 comes out next year. If they want to do pixel counting then fine, but for every 2D tree in GT7, I want a rant from Richard, a meltdown from John and a snide remark about lack of ray tracing in gameplay from Alex. Ten Points from Griffyndor. Rate the games. Give every game's graphics a score. So when GOW comes out 8 months after Horizon and looks a gen behind, we can say yes, it falls short of other games on the platform.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Really should focus on upscaling artifacts.
They drive me nuts personally, and would love to know on a per-game basis how bad they are.
They drive me nuts personally, and would love to know on a per-game basis how bad they are.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
DF changed. I'm just not sure when it transitioned.
Way back I remember those old 360 and PS3 articles. They were much more about counting and comparing specs, and not so much into subjective opinions.
Three Jackdaws
Banned
They know their investigation and findings in cross-platform comparisons have been weaponised and used as fodder for console wars.
It's been the most toxic leading up to and as of now this current-gen (PS5/SeriesX), John even admitted this.
If they can follow through with their claims it will be refreshing but of course the wars will find a way regardless.
It's been the most toxic leading up to and as of now this current-gen (PS5/SeriesX), John even admitted this.
If they can follow through with their claims it will be refreshing but of course the wars will find a way regardless.
Cherrypepsi
Member
I pretty much agree with this
It's becoming more and more irrelevant especially with how good reconstruction and uspcaling techniques have become.
If you want the numbers, VGTech has proven to be a reliable source for that.
It's becoming more and more irrelevant especially with how good reconstruction and uspcaling techniques have become.
If you want the numbers, VGTech has proven to be a reliable source for that.
Portugeezer
Member
For years now, a lot of their content isn't even game comparisons.
Build up last gen was more toxic, and DF milked that shit so they can cry me a river. This gen is just petty because the consoles are pretty close.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Why you missing out on your current mates on the list?Hm. They reported this after both kretos, theapp99 and Bryan having vacations from this forum.
A coincidence?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This. Lets not forget they made their name on the early PS360 face/offs.
bender
What time is it?
I don't mind subjective takes. Hell, we all know that John likes motion blur. I just prefer the basis of an analysis to be data points as the foundation. Different aspects of graphics technology bother people. Screen tearing is a no-go for me. I'm usually okay with 30FPS. I never notice frame pacing. Someone else is probably the polar opposite of me, but if we have data sets about games, it will let us decide what platform to choose if any at all.
With the popularity of the XSS and Switch and design goal differences in XSX (wide-slower) and PS5 (narrow-faster), I think the resolution discussion is still a useful tool.
*shrug*
JimboJones
Member
Makes sense with higher resolutions and more and more games going with temporal or Ai upscaling solutions.
Interested to see what metrics they will use for image quality going forward though.
Interested to see what metrics they will use for image quality going forward though.
sncvsrtoip
Member
strange, I would still like to have information what resolution is game running on ps5 and what on xsx as this can be important for my decision on which console will play multiplatform game
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Awesome
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They said they will still mention if a game looks sharper on one platform over the other.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Excess
Member
As a PC guy, I actually like to know this stuff. I like knowing if it's dynamic res, DLSS, etc.. Just because it's negligible to the eye, it does not mean it's not worth discussing, unless you're one of those people who create threads about it on NeoGAF to score points or deflect criticism.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
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Topher
Gold Member
Gordon Freeman
Member
This is bullshit.
DF acts like checkerboarding is perfect and not noticeable. It is. To me. I hate it.
No thanks. Other channels do better and quicker work for raw numbers anyways. I’ll only watch DF for their banter now then.
Good job becoming useless to those that actually own all consoles.
DF acts like checkerboarding is perfect and not noticeable. It is. To me. I hate it.
No thanks. Other channels do better and quicker work for raw numbers anyways. I’ll only watch DF for their banter now then.
Good job becoming useless to those that actually own all consoles.
It's all in the wrist
Member
I think checkerboarding looks bad.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
NXGamer
Do you still count?
I'm no fan, but I can see why studios may decide to use this instead of native 4k in particular.
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TheDreadLord
Gold Member
But if you are interested on the technical side of things this is one of the data you want to have. And it isn’t only about pixels… there are many other parameters of interest. I hope that they won’t become a simple review channel as I am not interested in hearing their opinion about games.
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Tschumi
Member
Again, just wanna point out that there's documented evidence on this forum of me saying that NeoGAF's console wars are partially built off DF setting the terms of game evaluation (and those terms being purely technical and dry), and that any game we would consider 'pretty' would have to be native 4k+ and 60 fps.
So, DF clearly agreed with me (indirectly of course i'm not that delusional) that they've created a storm of fanboyism on a largely irrelevant metric and have decided to stop evaluating it it.
So, DF clearly agreed with me (indirectly of course i'm not that delusional) that they've created a storm of fanboyism on a largely irrelevant metric and have decided to stop evaluating it it.
intbal
Member
There are already people working on it. Although it's over my head.
StateofMajora
Banned
Well… that’s a mistake. I won’t be bothering to watch anymore!
This is just stupid. Pixel count matters. Returnal on my 49” tv looked noticeably more blurry because it was 1080p and uses unreal’s TAA. Upscaling can only do so much esp. since upscaling techniques vary in quality so much.
Like seriously wtf pixel counts are what started DF lol.
Are they not going to tell you what a switch game is rendering at even?
This is just stupid. Pixel count matters. Returnal on my 49” tv looked noticeably more blurry because it was 1080p and uses unreal’s TAA. Upscaling can only do so much esp. since upscaling techniques vary in quality so much.
Like seriously wtf pixel counts are what started DF lol.
Are they not going to tell you what a switch game is rendering at even?
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StateofMajora
Banned
DF lost the plot anyways always whining when a game doesn’t have TAA… man they really prefer blur over sharpness. With that said it kinda makes sense from their weird perspective.
When you bitch about native 4k plus 4x msaa (forza) you’re kind of useless anyway as an opinion piece.
When you bitch about native 4k plus 4x msaa (forza) you’re kind of useless anyway as an opinion piece.
Dlacy13g
Member
While I applaud the notion, I feel like this is a bit of window dressing on their part. Pretty confident their highest viewed videos are the comparison videos more times than not. So while they say they want to get away from it, I am guessing they will still find a way to highlight those things without directly doing so and thus still fuel the views of the warrior class that they thrive on.
Dust-by-Monday
Member
Sounds to me they don’t want to admit that an Xbox Series S game is running 540p ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think frame rate analysis is more important than resolution anyway
I think frame rate analysis is more important than resolution anyway
kingfey
Banned
console sales, and sale numbersBut how will we WAR!!!???
Hoddi
Member
Yer, if a game is running at 540p on the S then it will also only be running at ~1080p on XSX/PS5. That's a Pyrrhic victory at best.
Those are honestly my favorite threads.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
It makes sense. Games nowadays have such advanced reconstruction tech, dynamic resolution etc. that it is silly to still count pixels.
PS5 and XSX games are very clean, I think that pixel counting can be useful in some cases where the game is noticeably blurrier or to analyze new methods of upscaling and image reconstruction.
PS5 and XSX games are very clean, I think that pixel counting can be useful in some cases where the game is noticeably blurrier or to analyze new methods of upscaling and image reconstruction.
dcmk7
Banned
They don't say that, they say it's significantly below 533p. Might even be 300-400p mark for all we know.. they haven't revealed the actual number as of yet.