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[Damian.]

bleh, the framerate drops aren't that serious at all.

Any framerate drop from 30 is serious. 30 should be the absolute bare minimum acceptable at any time. Dropping below that goes from a blurry mess to a blurry slideshow mess.

 

[dark10x]

It's 900p too.

These consoles really are mediocre. Leadbetter cheerleading for the weaker console is getting embarrassing.

To be fair, the image quality in Ryse is really not a huge concern. It really does look quite fantastic despite the lower resolution. It's worlds away from numerous other sub-1080p console games being released.

The performance, however, is disappointing.

 

[Chance Hale]

It's 900p too.

These consoles really are mediocre. Leadbetter cheerleading for the weaker console is getting embarrassing.

His article on the One was substantially more harsh than the PS4's.

 

[nib95]

But KKRT00 said it's all real time in-engine?

I don't want to sound catty, but you guys would do well to be cautious to a lot of what KKRT00. He knows his tech, sure, but he is fairly commonly wrong about certain things. There are plenty of examples where he's been flat out misinformed about several titbits.

 

[LittleJohnny]

Resolution doesn't drop all the way to 720p - Crytek chose 1600x900 - but the overall look is very cinematic, from film grain to motion blur to the immense levels of post-processing and pitch-perfect effects work. Ryse works at a sub-native resolution where others flounder partly because the anti-aliasing is quite sublime. The usual issues we have - stair-step jaggies, moire patterns on textures - are all extremely difficult to pick up on here.

Sounds really nice. Why would you pick "Issues" as your title? Everything I read sounds excellent.

Nibs lol

 

[Raist]

But KKRT00 said it's all real time in-engine?

Several "isolated" (as in, not stuff transitioning to gameplay) cutscenes they've shown so far are 1080p native.

 

[Crisco]

Needs more ROPs!

 

[Chobel]

bleh, the framerate drops aren't that serious at all.

Please go to 9:24, 20fps for like 9 seconds.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Yes there are, they are pre rendered:

Several "isolated" (as in, not stuff transitioning to gameplay) cutscenes they've shown so far are 1080p native.

Thought this would end up being the case with some of this stuff. I don't know why people were so adamant that everything was real-time.

 

[nib95]

Sounds really nice. Why would you pick "Issues" as your title? Everything I read sounds excellent.

Nibs lol

I highlighted the good bits too. But a sub 30fps frame rate pretty much most of the time falls under the bracket of "frame rate issues". Or do you disagree?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Went as low as 16fps at one point.

Normally between 26 - 30.

Bullet time! It's a design choice!

 

[Putty]

Phil Spencer said the game was locked at 30fps back in October via Twitter.

 

[MThanded]

Sounds really nice. Why would you pick "Issues" as your title? Everything I read sounds excellent.

Nibs lol

They can't hold stable a 30fps. It's an issue. At points they are nearing 15fps. That's unacceptable.

 

[Majanew]

Needs more ROPs!

HA! If only that were it. PS4's whopping 32 ROPS still has KZSF and BF4 dropping frames.

 

[Skeff]

Sounds really nice. Why would you pick "Issues" as your title? Everything I read sounds excellent.

Nibs lol

Probably because the framerate dips below 20fps at times and is consistently below 30fps.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Phil Spencer said the game was locked at 30fps back in October via Twitter.

Phil Spencer has said A LOT of things.

 

[mackattk]

The framerate dip was a design choice.

24fps to make it more film like?

 

[zainetor]

Please go to 9:24, 20fps for like 9 seconds.

eh, there's really a lot going on in that moment.
This game has the same dips that gears of war had. Disappointing then and now.
I would like a more stable framerate, with slighty less IQ.

 

[coldfoot]

Here's the turret section with sustained 20 fps, with dips to 18 and 16 fps visible in the graph:

 

[Majanew]

Phil Spencer said the game was locked at 30fps back in October via Twitter.

Dead Rising 3 devs said Dead Rising 3 is locked at 30fps also. Liars everywhere.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

To be fair, the image quality in Ryse is really not a huge concern. It really does look quite fantastic despite the lower resolution. It's worlds away from numerous other sub-1080p console games being released.

The performance, however, is disappointing.

You see devs opting 900p (even on PS4) with better AA solutions instead of going 1080p in the future?

 

[jmood88]

The quote from the Pixar guy was interesting:

"The industry status quo is to push ultra-high display resolution, ultra-high texture resolution, and ultra sharpness. In my opinion, a more interesting next-generation metric is, can an engine on an ultra high-end PC rendering at 720p look as real as a DVD quality movie?"

The debate was interesting enough that even a Hollywood CG professional contributed:

"We do what is essentially MSAA. Then we do a lens distortion that makes the image incredibly soft (amongst other blooms/blurs/etc). Softness/noise/grain is part of film and something we often embrace. Jaggies we avoid like the plague and thus we anti-alias the crap out of our images," said Pixar's Chris Horne. "In the end it's still the same conclusion: games oversample vs. film. I've always thought that film res was more than enough res. I don't know how you will get gamers to embrace a film aesthetic, but it shouldn't be impossible."

 

[Paz]

Interesting to see DF confirm what GAF pixel counters theorized months ago, the most impressive trailer/screenshot releases were native 1080p because they were all from FMV's. Gameplay still looks stellar though, although I wonder if running at 25-30fps is one of the reasons for having such a simple combat system? Slow-mo QTE's solve input latency intensive gameplay issues.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Please go to 9:24, 20fps for like 9 seconds.

Gotta be honest, I only watched 5 minutes of combat before I made that statement. It really bored the shit outta me.

 

[Raist]

Went as low as 16fps at one point.

Normally between 26 - 30.

Well I guess this is unplayable for Senjutsusage.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Yes there are, they are pre rendered:

This was the real reason why I asked if Ryse had been dumped. Would like more definitive confirmation.

 

[Loudninja]

Umm I am not sure why DF did not have a more in depth article already.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

Different gen. Same old bullshit.

Can developers ever get a grasp on closed hardware systems? I was really hoping this would be the gen where we would see 30FPS standard across all platforms.

 

[tfur]

Well I guess this is unplayable for Senjutsusage.

Incoming book report on why it's ok now.

 

[Raist]

Umm I am not sure why DF did not have a more in depth article already.

Has the embargo lifted yet?

 

[adelante]

Sounds really nice. Why would you pick "Issues" as your title? Everything I read sounds excellent.

Nibs lol

You'd think they were able to lock it at 30fps with a 900p resolution though. And the framerate dips seem to be almost constant too.

 

[nib95]

Different gen. Same old bullshit.

Can developers ever get a grasp on closed hardware systems? I was really hoping this would be the gen where we would see 30FPS standard across all platforms.

There are loads of 30fps+ games and even 60fps games so far.

 

[Angelus Errare]

This was the real reason why I asked if Ryse had been dumped. Would like more definitive confirmation.

Well Leadbetter states in the article they don't run analysis during certain parts of the video because it's prerendered cutscenes to mask loading.

 

[Raist]

There are loads of 30fps+ games and even 60fps games so far.

And even 60FPS+!

 

[Always-honest]

Eh? We aren't on current gen anymore mate. 1080p + AA (or 900p in this case) = expect mostly great IQ from here on out.

I hope so.. I have seen some pretty horrible crossgen shit. And even Killzone Shadowfall could use some better AA.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

There are loads of 30fps+ games and even 60fps games so far.

I know, but I was hoping it would be the norm even at launch (though I guess it may have been a bit too optimistic!). I'm sure as we progress things will get better, it's just annoying to still see sub 30 FPS.

 

[UnluckyKate]

that cinematic frame rate ?

Game does look amazing though. Such an amazing setting

 

[phosphor112]

Their AA is in fact really good in removing jaggies. But the picture does look blurry. I don't know if it's because it's lower resolution or a very strong FXAA of sorts.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

Just rent Rome in Blu Ray and push some buttons during action sequences.

 

[coldfoot]

Just rent Rome in Blu Ray and push some buttons during action sequences.

Dial Pizza Hut and don't forget to order some mountain Dew with your pizza.

 

[jet1911]

Their AA is in fact really good in removing jaggies. But the picture does look blurry. I don't know if it's because it's lower resolution or a very strong FXAA of sorts.

Mix of that plus heavy post processing I'd guess.

 

[Majanew]

Different gen. Same old bullshit.

Can developers ever get a grasp on closed hardware systems? I was really hoping this would be the gen where we would see 30FPS standard across all platforms.

Funny enough, I was talking about Ryse most likely having technical problems to a friend of mine months ago. I told him Crytek love bringing a system to its knees, so don't be surprised when Ryse looks fantastic but has a shit frame-rate and/or screen-tearing. Crysis 1, 2, 3 on current gen consoles are plagued with bad frame-rates. And Cryengine games like Far Cry 3 are also horrible in the frame-rate dept.

Crysis 4 on PS4/XB1 will probably be the same. Shit frame-rates.

 

[MThanded]

Different gen. Same old bullshit.

Can developers ever get a grasp on closed hardware systems? I was really hoping this would be the gen where we would see 30FPS standard across all platforms.

There are a bunch of solid 30fps and even 60ps games already. Confusing post is confusing.

 

[cyberheater]

Well MS. You only have yourselves to blame. You put a gimped GPU in there and hoped that no one would notice. It's going to be a tough next gen for you. Always being behind.

 

[Mr Moose]

Bullet time! It's a design choice!

LOL

 

[synce]

Looks great. Not even remotely fun, but looks great.

 

[twobear]

So basically at 900p it has better image quality than Forza 5 which runs at 1080p.

 

[nOoblet16]

Cevat Yerli: No compromise !!

 

[Terbinator]

All this footage is doing is making me ache for another LoTR hack and slash like TT/RoTK at this level of fidelity.

 

[maximum360]

Well, it looks like Ryse will be enjoyed for what it is and then trade-in incoming. Same with Killzone. Pretty to look at but pretty meh overall. I had more fun with Battlefield 4 and AC4.