KidA Seven
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exarkun said:
He just didn't have the raw talent Goku had.
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He just didn't have the raw talent Goku had.
Green Biker Dude
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quite the opposite. vegeta was supposed to be the one naturally gifted. that was the whole point of their first fight, and then he even got a bunch of free powerups near/during the freeza fight whereas goku had to train for the most partKS Seven X said:
in the cell saga they even show that vegeta doesn't know how to train properly. while he and trunks just keep fighting, goku spaces out the fights with the appropriate resting and hence him and gohan reach fpssj
Unknown One
Member
Well Goku is a fighting genus. Anybody who followed dragonball would know that. He almost kicked Master Roshi's ass after 8 months of training even though Master Roshi was holding back.
Vegeta is more of a brawler, while Goku is a martial artist.
Vegeta is more of a brawler, while Goku is a martial artist.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Green Biker Dude said:
Didn't Vegeta and Trunks go into The Room Of Spirit and Time twice and they were still nowhere close to as strong as Goku and Gohan by the time the Cell Games started?
Vegeta and Trunks were trying to reach SS2, Goku was just concerned about maxing out SS1 of him and Gohan. He knew Gohan natural rage would take him to the next level when the time came. He figured no matter how much he trained he wouldn't be able to reach it even in 2 years, so he ended up leaving the chamber early and gave the rest of the time to the other two.Jamesfrom818 said:
Plus we don't know if Vegeta and Trunks were weaker then Goku after there second training stint during the cell games. Cell was holding back against Goku and handled him easily, They only fought the Cell Jr's which they were pretty equal with.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I thought Vegeta was supposed to be a tactical genius? That was one aspect of his character I always wished was played on more. Loved his fight against #19.
Also, one thing that bugged me about the Room of Spirit & Time: It's commonly pointed out that Goku made bigger strides in his training because he paced himself out while Vegeta trained himself to death. But wouldn't Sayian physiology of growing back stronger after near-death mean that Vegeta's method was more appropriate?
/super-nerd :lol
Also, one thing that bugged me about the Room of Spirit & Time: It's commonly pointed out that Goku made bigger strides in his training because he paced himself out while Vegeta trained himself to death. But wouldn't Sayian physiology of growing back stronger after near-death mean that Vegeta's method was more appropriate?
/super-nerd :lol
That has always been Vegeta's training method:lol Goku actually knows how to train to make himself stronger plus when he does get beat down he gets the Sayian bonus.Keru_Shiri said:
Plus it takes a long time to recover from near death so it is not like he can do that everyday.
Vegeta has always been about raw power, every fight has him just overpowering and destroying them with energy blasts.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Keru_Shiri said:
Goku and Gohan trained in SSJ together while Vegeta trained normally by himself. Thats how I remember it anyway.
Keru_Shiri said:
That whole "near-death" revival is a little confusing, I agree. Krillin just needed to blast Vegeta once in a fatal part of the body to allow Vegeta's power to practically double in an instant once he was healed -- but I don't think it's the same as Vegeta simply wearing himself down by training a lot and pushing himself to his limits.
Plus, Goku just learned to be way more efficient than Vegeta in using his power at that time.
/ultra-nerd
TheVampire
Banned
exarkun said:
Vegeta was stronger than Goku a few times in the series:
-First meeting on earth (or that might of been equal)
-When the first androids appeared and he showed he was a stronger SSJ than goku (piccolo confirmed this)
-When vegeta and trunks were the first to go into the Time Chamber and then came out more powerfull
So I guess only 3 times during the series.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
TheVampire said:
Wasn't that just because of the heart disease?
I'm trying to decide on what Dragon Box volume to get first. I know it makes sense to go with the first set, but I've seen those episodes so many times so I feel like waiting on those. DBZ isn't really a series that I would watch straight through at this point anyways.
I might get either the latest set or the second one. I'll probably wait on the third set as well because I'm not exactly excited to watch the whole Goku vs Freeza fight again.
I might get either the latest set or the second one. I'll probably wait on the third set as well because I'm not exactly excited to watch the whole Goku vs Freeza fight again.
Finally got a chance to see the reanimated version of the OVA Saiyajin Zetsumetsu Keikaku that comes with Raging Blast 2... god the animation/drawing style is terrible. Maybe it's a good thing they never redid the series with modern animation technology because it would probably be a disaster.
Unknown One
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I only watched the Anime, but there was a hint that they were nowhere close to Goku. The way they reacted when Goku said he quit. Vegeta couldn't believe that Gohan was stronger then him.Celsior said:
Kagari said:
They should just reanimate the entire series with Movie 9-level of animation. That shit still looks fantastic, even to this day.
Episode 120 is a good example too. Honestly, I don't think any other episode in the entire series comes close to looking as good as this one. Soooooo good. I'm gonna grab my Dragon Box and make some screen caps soon, just for the hell of it :lol
Anth0ny said:
Yeah there were a few animation styles that were done really well in the series, and one that was just down right terrible: http://www.kanzentai.com/eps-dbz.php?id=128 / http://www.kanzentai.com/eps-dbz.php?id=132
Kagari said:
I actually disagree with you here, the new animation style (in terms of the character designs) fits Toriyama's design philosophy as of recent times. The eyes do have that issue of not looking like they have a soul, but that's something that is a problem with digitally painted animation.
That special had characters off model a lot, I blame Toei's Philipines branch who did a lot of work on it (and were actually the reason we knew of its existance months prior).
mysticwhip
Banned
Masunaga Keisuke was the best animator that worked on DBZ.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I've always thought that Dragon Ball steals a lot from Tarzan.
Lost boy trains with animals - check (well, Goku had a grandfather that teached him (almost nothing) about civics and stuff, while Tarzan had some children books on his father's house, where he learned to read and write).
King of animals - check
Super hero - check
Super human powers - check
etc
To add to this, we have the inevitable Gohan and Korak's comparisons.
Both born weak and well educated, then scape to the jungle/train with Piccolo, basically doing their father's way backwards (Although Korak was a lot manlier than Gohan, and much less of a cry baby).
Both series turned to shit at the end, in Tarzan's case, it was after the fourth book (the third book was pretty shitty IMO), in Dragon ball's case it was after Freezer (both series turned slowly to shit, if you get what I mean).
Lost boy trains with animals - check (well, Goku had a grandfather that teached him (almost nothing) about civics and stuff, while Tarzan had some children books on his father's house, where he learned to read and write).
King of animals - check
Super hero - check
Super human powers - check
etc
To add to this, we have the inevitable Gohan and Korak's comparisons.
Both born weak and well educated, then scape to the jungle/train with Piccolo, basically doing their father's way backwards (Although Korak was a lot manlier than Gohan, and much less of a cry baby).
Both series turned to shit at the end, in Tarzan's case, it was after the fourth book (the third book was pretty shitty IMO), in Dragon ball's case it was after Freezer (both series turned slowly to shit, if you get what I mean).
Nothing I hated more than those episodes. I used to get screen caps online and draw them back in the day and there used to be some awesome episodes but looked like dog shit. I remember the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight and Vegeto fights looked like that for the most part. I was very disappointed.Kagari said:
I asked on GAF a while ago about that and was told that there were teams of artists. One team being more skilled than another is the reason that there are good looking episodes vs shit ones. But, it's actually a style?? That blows me away. How could they think it looks good?
SUPARSTARX
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I just gotta say, Dragon Ball Kai is the best thing to happen in anime for me lately.
I've watched a good portion of DBZ on VCR tape when I was little and it was dubbed in Cantonese-Chinese.
Rewatching all of this is really refreshing in remastered hi-definition.
I've watched a good portion of DBZ on VCR tape when I was little and it was dubbed in Cantonese-Chinese.
Rewatching all of this is really refreshing in remastered hi-definition.
I always take GT's ending as
That last episode always makes me cry.
The first saga in Dragon Ball is heavily based on the Chinese legend of Sun Wukong, the boy monkey king, and his journeys (in Journey to the West), which is where many of the things you're comparing it to are directly from. That's actually what Toriyama set out to do with Dragon Ball, adapt Journey to the West. Obvsiouly it became more popular than he could ever imagine so he started creating his own material (with plot points being plucked from other things he was influenced by, like say, the Terminator films).
Goku having died in battle against Xi Xing Long/Synn Shenron, and that the one who says goodbye is simply Shenron granting Goku the ability to say goodbye. Goku may have died even earlier than that, as Omega/Synn asks "Who are you?" before dying. Both Vegeta and Roshi say "Goku... are you?" as they talk to him, implying something (in the Funi dub both dialogues are changed to something like "You're training alone again aren't you?", and "Let's remember the old times"). When Shenron awakens Goku, he seems to know what Shenron wants when he asks him to hop on his back, knowing what was up. Heck, in Krillin, and the turtle's dialogue, both were talking about life and death, and wham, there comes Goku. The strongest evidence I have for Goku having died rather than just telling his family to screw off, is Pan. Pan notices Goku's gui on the floor (which the Goku who said goodbye had a heavily ripped version of on), and Vegeta tells her to keep care of it. I'm also pretty certain both Chi-Chi and Bulma knew he was never coming back.
As for Goku combining with Shenron, I guess that's symbolic of them both being protectors of the Earth who are now leaving for good. As for when Grandma Pan sees Goku at the tournament, it's a ghost paying a visit, just like the ghost who told Gohan he could beat Cell, and the one who helped Goku Jr. in the TV special.
As for Goku combining with Shenron, I guess that's symbolic of them both being protectors of the Earth who are now leaving for good. As for when Grandma Pan sees Goku at the tournament, it's a ghost paying a visit, just like the ghost who told Gohan he could beat Cell, and the one who helped Goku Jr. in the TV special.
That last episode always makes me cry.
manueldelalas said:
The first saga in Dragon Ball is heavily based on the Chinese legend of Sun Wukong, the boy monkey king, and his journeys (in Journey to the West), which is where many of the things you're comparing it to are directly from. That's actually what Toriyama set out to do with Dragon Ball, adapt Journey to the West. Obvsiouly it became more popular than he could ever imagine so he started creating his own material (with plot points being plucked from other things he was influenced by, like say, the Terminator films).
Here's the rest of the Dragon Ball Heroes animation. Looks pretty nice.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
So I'm reading the manga. Just got to the part where they hit Namek and my interest is struggling. Really, since the Saiyans showed up it's been a lot less interesting. Should I keep going through? Stuff like Red Ribbon was awesome, but I'm not quite feeling it right now.
The first chapter of Dragon Ball SD is floating around. It's cute, and that's all I can really say. It is in its own world, and doesn't appear to be directly connected to Toriyama's story as it is retelling certain events but with some small twists. The background art is kind of lacking, but I guess Naho Ooishi probably doesn't have many, if any assistants to help her fill that in.
man i love dragon ball kai. so great not having to go through all that shitty filler. especially during the freiza saga. i'm up to episode 64.
i think its superior due to the characters and their abilities. its nice seeing different characters having different fighting styles. i enjoy dragon ball but its mostly the same fighting styles just with more power. you can do way more in the one piece world than you can in the dragon ball world.Galactic Quail said:
GaimeGuy said:
1) Goku fights Kid Buu, asks Vegeta to hold him for a while so he can go 100% and oneshot Buu (can't kill him otherwise due to Buu regenerating)
2) He takes a lot longer than he thought he would need and Vegeta asks what's up
3) Goku drops to base and says he can't go 100% in SSJ3 due to being alive, it drains too much Ki
4) They wish Earth back, make a huge Spirit Bomb
5) Last wish grants Goku his strenght back so he can push the Spirit Bomb all the way