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[I NEED SCISSORS]

Of course. Which is why is doesn't mean anything.

I might get one when I pick up my 3DS. I have a DSL with a few games which I really cannot be arsed lugging round with the new system.

 

[Somnid]

They are called public keys for a reason. You can't hide these things because they are used to verify signatures so some thorough poking around on the ROM will unearth it. It's somewhat disadvantageous, sure, but it doesn't mean much in the overall scheme of things because the expectation is that these do get out. The private key is the killer. While this could set in motion some reverse engineering it's not going to matter since 3DS is only 1 month away.

 

[Dacvak]

So, wait, this means nothing?

 

[Raistlin]

2011 will be known as the year the gaming industry collapsed.

Yeah 'cause the consoles last gen weren't hacked ... or the gen before that ... or before that ...

 

[jvalioli]

These threads always suck because not everyone on GAF is a Comp Sci major and actually understands the public and private key system.

 

[Chris R]

These threads always suck because not everyone on GAF is a Comp Sci major and actually understands the public and private key system.

You don't have to be a comp sci major to understand public/private key encryption.

 

[Naked Snake]

Man, if

Spoiler

(when)

the 3DS is ever cracked, woe on Nintendo.

Somebody is going to find a way to jailbreak nearby systems using streetpass. And that's only if somebody doesn't find a way to brick them using that method first.

Oh fuck

 

[ZAK]

If they can decrypt DSI games, they can probably find some overflows, if they find some overflows, they can probably get into the OS. If they can get into the OS, then shit's going down.

But I thought DSi memory was encrypted? So even if you overflow, you're still effectively writing random bytes?

 

[jvalioli]

You don't have to be a comp sci major to understand public/private key encryption.

Of course. I was just making a point.

 

[Platy]

This gen has been really weird about consoles getting unlocked.

Near Dolphin nothing is really weird this generation =P

 

[MrBelmontvedere]

ding ding. This key being known is nowhere near the disaster that sony faced with the ps3 key

the damage for DS and it's variants (not counting 3DS) had already been done. the difference is that with the PS3 key piracy became (basically) as simple as it is on DS.

 

[InsaneZero]

the damage for DS and it's variants (not counting 3DS) had already been done. the difference is that with the PS3 key piracy became (basically) as simple as it is on DS.

This is the DSi, not the DS. DSi mode is still nowhere near as free as DS mode.

 

[abstract alien]

Man, if

Spoiler

(when)

the 3DS is ever cracked, woe on Nintendo.

Somebody is going to find a way to jailbreak nearby systems using streetpass. And that's only if somebody doesn't find a way to brick them using that method first.

This would be remarkably disastrous.

 

[MrBelmontvedere]

This is the DSi, not the DS. DSi mode is still nowhere near as free as DS mode.

could have fooled me. DSi already had copies of games working and region locking defeated. not sure what additional freedom can be gained here.

 

[Stumpokapow]

This is great news for anyone who wants art assets, sprite rips, music rips, or to find disabled/hidden/debug features in games!

 

[Rich!]

I'm actually hoping the 3DS gets cracked. I'm hopefully going to the USA later this year, and I'd actually like to be able to buy games there that will work on my UK console.

 

[Tempy]

could have fooled me. DSi already had copies of games working and region locking defeated. not sure what additional freedom can be gained here.

Do you have a link for this? I swear I heard about some recent DSi breakthrough, but I'm unable to find it.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

That doesn't make sense - I think there were only two SNES games larger an 4MB (32 megs), on Genesis it's probably just as rare.

The only Genesis game I know of that is larger than 4MB is Super Street Fighter 2.

 

[ElFly]

These threads always suck because not everyone on GAF is a Comp Sci major and actually understands the public and private key system.

Neither is anyone at Sony!

 

[Stumpokapow]

could have fooled me. DSi already had copies of games working and region locking defeated. not sure what additional freedom can be gained here.

Well, the common key won't allow all this stuff, but there are still unrealized goals:

- Homebrew installed to the main menu
- Homebrew that makes use of the DSi's additional power
- Flashcard-free game management stuff (I'd much rather put my games on an SD card and launch from the main menu than put my games on a micro-SD, plug that into a flash card, and boot the game)

 

[zigg]

could have fooled me. DSi already had copies of games working and region locking defeated. not sure what additional freedom can be gained here.

DSi-enhanced (i.e. only the DS-mode binary is "defeated"), DSi-exclusive, and DSiWare games are all still locked away. Of course, the latter isn't really something you could buy out-of-region in the first place, leaving one who's interested in foreign DSiWare with business problems as well as technical.

Do you have a link for this? I swear I heard about some recent DSi breakthrough, but I'm unable to find it.

Might have been this? http://davejmurphy.com/dsi-mode-homebrew-anyone/

 

[M3d10n]

i'll just leave this here

I hope this is fake. No, nothing to do with piracy, but the fact the both the upper and lower screen are stretched in DS mode, which will look hideous.

 

[red shoe paul]

So, wait, this means nothing?

In terms of 3DS backups, no. To be honest it's been known underground for awhile now about DSi and DSiWare hacking and there are only a few select people who know what to do with it.

 

[electricpirate]

These threads always suck because not everyone on GAF is a Comp Sci major and actually understands the public and private key system.

Is the dsi even using public/private encryption? I am used to standard rsa terms, so I'm not sure what they mean by common key. If this was just standard public private, shouldn't we be able to sign, or decrypt signatures from this?

I'm not sure, I know rsa really well, but don't understand the dsi's algorithm I guess.

 

[-KRS-]

I believe the DSi uses RSA encryption as well. It has an RSA logo on the box if I'm not mistaken.

 

[zigg]

I believe the DSi uses RSA encryption as well. It has an RSA logo on the box if I'm not mistaken.

RSA is a company that does a lot more than just the RSA algorithm.

The RSA algorithm in itself is insufficent to secure a hardware device against tampering, in any event. You could sign everything in the world and never have your key mislaid but if the device can be convinced to ignore signatures (usually by way of some other bug), it'll do no good.

 

[TheOGB]

This is great news for anyone who wants art assets, sprite rips, music rips, or to find disabled/hidden/debug features in games!