JustSomeone
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How is the magic in the game?
Does it take forever to unlock like in previous PB games?
Does it take forever to unlock like in previous PB games?
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Elex |OT| Gothic 5: Risen From Jank
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Moff
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no you can join a faction pretty soon and will have access to their special abilities.
however, magic is pretty weak in this game. there is really only 1 good spell, but that one at least is devastating and a lot of fun to use.
I also think the magic abilities look really, really bad. embarrassing actually. Which is odd because Magic in risen 3 was awesome and looked great. I don't think there is a game where magic was more fun than Risen 3.
So I don't know why PB didn't put much effort into magic in Elex.
xrnzaaas
Member
Maybe it was because I was building my character more as a warrior, but the cultivator's bow felt worthless to me at the start of the game. You just barely scratch enemies and you can do a lot more damage even with a basic axe. I returned to ranged weapons only in late game when I got access to a plasma rifle and a flamethrower, but even then they weren't my primary weapons, because you can run out of ammo very quickly.
Moff
Member
no that is my impression as well. Ranged weapons get very strong in the late game but there is no way around melee for early and midgame in Elex in my opinion.
BlackSalad
Member
Whats up with the ominous letters? I've found two so far
"Fred was here"
Who is Fred and why is he leaving notes
"Fred was here"
Who is Fred and why is he leaving notes
His Majesty
Banned
Wondering that as well, haha.
BlackSalad
Member
Some google sleuthing uncovered that Fred is a skeleton who takes selfies around Magalan
https://twitter.com/hashtag/SkeletonFred?src=hash
Honome
Member
Sorry to ask it here but Arcania The Complete Tale is on sale on PSN for only 4 bucks. Does it worth it for that price on the PS4? Does it have many bugs? Is the campain and story interesting? Is it a good game for people that love exploring?
I was interested in Elex but the price is too high for me at the moment and i may probabky wait for a sale.
I was interested in Elex but the price is too high for me at the moment and i may probabky wait for a sale.
His Majesty
Banned
To answer your questions:
- No
- Yes
- No
- No
It was not developed by Piranha Bytes and frankly has no place in the Gothic series. It is uniformly terrible and its name should remain forgotten.
Honome
Member
Thanks for the quick answer, mate. I didn't know it was not made by PB. Gonna avoid it and wait for an Elex sale.
pots555
Member
I may be the only one in the world, but I liked it. Not on the same level as Elex but still fun in my opinion.
Before I lost the chance to post here because we're in the darkest timeline ever I just wanna say this game is everything I hoped it would be. It's straight Gothic style mixed with post-apocalyptical Sci-Fi elements and I love it. Probably the best PB game so far for me. It has everything you'd wish in a PB game with snarky humor, lovely junky animation and one hell of difficult spike. Good job developers.
If the combat( and horrible gear based stat leveling) was worth a damn for me, I would have never stop playing this game..
a lot of things I find do work well despite the jank but after realizing I was not having fun, I went to return Elex to the gamestop I frequent. the manager basically told me I was number 4 that week and the majority lamented the combat/difficuly. Kudos to those who stick with it and can overlook that aspect because much of everything else looked like it would be a treat..still hoping for a patch I'd buy it again in a heart beat if it fixed things.
You are fighting against the controls more than you are fighting the enemy. The gifs from earlier in the thread prove they had combat down pat in older games and somehow ended up fudging this up.
This isn't a dark souls situation where the difficulty is fair and balanced. This is jank game design that is causing people to give up on what may have been a great experience for them.
Are you so selfish in your lust for jank that you would not want them to fine tune their craft and make it, I don't know, "fun" to fight a high level enemy without cheesing?
Moff
Member
The controls are not the problem. The problem is that the progression is 100% gear based and many players simply try to kill everything they encounter before they have the needed gear. Which is like 80% of enemies in the starting location.
When you have that gear, which might be 20 hours in or more, you'll realize the combat is fun. No Bloodborne perfection but more than servicable.
I would not be opposed if they added a story mode. But please don't ruin this gem by destroying the balance.
When you have that gear, which might be 20 hours in or more, you'll realize the combat is fun. No Bloodborne perfection but more than servicable.
I would not be opposed if they added a story mode. But please don't ruin this gem by destroying the balance.
snail_maze
Member
Damn, I won't have my PC the next weeks or I would probably pick it up, but the impressions here make it seem pretty good all things considered. Looking forward to it when I can spend time on it
Definitely not in my experience. I had been punished in The Witcher 3 for example, when Geralt starts doing a long animation attack instead of a shorter one and it was hard to distinguish if it'd be either one at first, while in ELEX I noticed a clear pattern to the animations and turn rates during a first couple of encounters. I did fail a lot with striking/combo-ing the enemy afterwards, but that was entirely on me as I've been shutting down my brain sometimes thanks to being used to less punishing and easier combat systems.
As long as I kept concentration the melee combat in ELEX felt pretty smooth and entirely in my control. At least in 1 vs 1 situations.
P.S. I finally had enough strength to change from Rusty hatchet after 25 hours of gameplay, lol. Within next 5 hours my power level, thanks to incredibly generous quest line (went from 13 to almost 18th level during attack on Converter with Clerics where I didn't do much, just followed them in the rear since I had no damage yet and watched them rip through Albs) and crafting a lot of Elex potions. With 30-40 strength I felt confident in most encounters afterwards. I don't think I've played a game with more satisfying character progression since older D&D games.
The difficulty has very little to do with "jank". Part of the issue is they don't explain the combat system well. Then again, Demon Souls didn't explain shit either. I only bring up that reference because you mentioned Dark Souls.
People who find the game difficult misunderstand the way this game is designed, which I don't entirely blame them because most RPGs today are designed to be more accessible and simplified. This game doesn't have scaling enemies, nor should it. You're not expected to kill most of the monsters when you first start. You have the ability to level outside of combat and you have the ability to sneak for a reason. You can also run away and get help from NPCs. PB games lean more towards character progression and as a result progression feels a lot more satisfying when you start getting high level gear and abilities.
Steamspy numbers
BOOM.
Not nearly enough. I would have bought the collector's edition but for some reason, the physical version requires Steam which I don't have and won't get. Yet, you can buy it on GoG without problems and it's single-player only anyway.
I also watched a bit of CohhCarnage in the last 2-3 days and I have to say that his general attitude is pretty refreshing...unlike what you saw from gaming outlets which just trashed everything.
Moff
Member
it's not a full price game anyway, at least in my region it's like 70% of the standard price and cdkeys has it for 36 bucks in my region.
I think it will be a better experience after 1 or 2 patches but I loved it already in the launch version.
BlackSalad
Member
I agree with this. I hit ~24 hours last night and gained enough stats to get into the next "tier" of weapons. I feel much more comfortable exploring, knowing that I can take on most enemies 1v1, skull enemies aren't as scary anymore.
Multiple enemies are still problematic and take much more strategy but that is a fun part of the gameplay in itself.
Outlaws are completely underrated. I don't think people are taking advantage of the chems and related perks, they can make a huge difference.
His Majesty
Banned
I wanted to join the Clerics but their base is shit. So it'll either be Berserkers or Outlaws (yet to visit).
xrnzaaas
Member
Their base really is a let down. Looks amazing from the outside. Outlaws best base. Domed city for best city tho.
How's playing as an Outlaw? Their abilities look pretty terrible from the upgrades screen, just a bunch of chem recipes. I'm never one to really use consumables outside of health potions. Beserker magic looks terrible to use and Cleric's seem ultra cheesy but possibly the strongest?
got a small complaint. infinite elex.
they should rebalance it to a finite amount.
Broken at the moment and plz dont abuse for your own gamefun (might have already been stated here.):
from what i've seen, the outlaw stims can be pretty badass (in theoryDD) .
thers one, that gives you 30% attackspeed for example. didn't find any other way to increase attackspeed knowingly
didnt use it.
on a harder playtrough i will probably take them tough.
they should rebalance it to a finite amount.
Broken at the moment and plz dont abuse for your own gamefun (might have already been stated here.):
crafting energy paks low to mid.
from what i've seen, the outlaw stims can be pretty badass (in theory
DD) .thers one, that gives you 30% attackspeed for example. didn't find any other way to increase attackspeed knowingly
didnt use it.
on a harder playtrough i will probably take them tough.
Moff
Member
everything you write is spot on
Outlaw skills are a joke, before they game released I imagined their stims could be abilities like Max Payne bullet time or other fun features. Now they are just simple buffs.
However the truth is that all the faction skills are incredibly lackluster, they did not put much effort into this.
Magic in general looks embarrassing, really bad, feels weak, lacks punch and damage. Risen 3 did this a million times better so it's weird how this came to happen.
The only exception here is one ability in of the cleric faction weapons, the spell "Black Hole", which looks decent, is fun to use and incredibly devastating.
But apart from that all the spells look and feel bad. The Chain lightning for instance is a tiny ugly white ball, very hard to hit enemies with it and when you do they get a very cheap "electric" skin. As I said, embarrassing. The fire spells looks really bad. I don't know what happened here, as I said, Risen 3 had really fun (and admittedly very overpowered) Magic that looked and felt just great.
Weapons have similar balancing issue that do not make sense, but at least some of the high weapons are a lot of fun to use and do a lot of damage. The best weapons in this game are Plasma Rifles. They do more damage than rocket launchers and flame throwers but still get all the mobility, while the mentioned heavy weapons restrict rolling and the jet pack.
My final Character is cleric, has a legendary Plasma Rifle for single target, the Black Hole for groups and the second best 1hand sword in the game just for fun and style, and it's very very fun to play. If you choose other options I am not sure you'll have the same experience. On my second playthrough I choose Berserker because I want to see more how their magic works.
BlackSalad
Member
I'm enjoying it, it is a buff heavy type play style, some pretty good weapons like the sawed off shotgun. If you're role-playing interest is in the mad-max type category then it'll be worthwhile. The NPC's also have a lot of personality and its just kinda fun, they're a bunch of anarchist drug users that just back stab each other and steal everything.
The quests in the fort are pretty entertaining too, at the very least I'd suggest going through that progression before deciding on a faction.
Skills kinda suck. From a story perspective looks like the best faction to me. All the characters in Hort are incredibly dull.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Anything said about a patch yet?
Moff
Member
Only that they are working on it
Thanks for all the feedback on the factions! I'll go explore the quests before deciding. Haven't come across the Outlaw space yet at all. Done most of the Beserker stuff but not yet got inside the Cleric city.
Also wondering this! I'm hoping they support the X close to launch.
Also wondering this! I'm hoping they support the X close to launch.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
That's always good news. It's at least something. No details though? Probably a bug fix patch, not yet for Pro and One X?
In a interview earlier this year they said they were gonna support Pro and One X. They said Pro would be 4K. So One X should at least be on par. But it's a very small team, could take a while.
Moff
Member
Game seems to sell very well, a lot better than Risen 3. Happy for PB, I think some of the streamers really helped bringing attention to this game despite the poor reviews. I also think one factor might be that we really didn't have a good Open World RPG in quite some time, so some people need to scratch that itch.
This thread also has already almost twice as many pages a the Risen 3 thread had in it's whole span.
This thread also has already almost twice as many pages a the Risen 3 thread had in it's whole span.
BlackSalad
Member
I started the game on og ps4 then treated myself to a birthday present and bought a pro. A pro patch would definitely be welcome but as is with boost mode there is a noticeable improvement over the OG ps4 with framerate.
So tempting to leave work and go jump back in to magalan, ugh...
So tempting to leave work and go jump back in to magalan, ugh...
...This. First game in a long while that made me feel this way too.
Jag
Member
This game is so terrible in so many ways. Horrible voice acting, shitty UI, map that doesn't let you mark spots, horrible inventory, no understanding of character mechanics, dumb as shit AI and companions. Ability to cheese everything from encounters to money.
But yet I haven't stopped playing it since release and I'm totally loving it.
This game is a perfect example of why fun gameplay usually tops everything else.
But yet I haven't stopped playing it since release and I'm totally loving it.
This game is a perfect example of why fun gameplay usually tops everything else.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I noticed something odd. When I rotate the camera so that it's behind my character it looks fine. But if I go backwards and I rotate the camera behind my character again it looks darker/dimmed. Why does this happen? Definitely looks off.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
Had a quick session on Elex last night... 3.5 hours later and i realise it's 22:00 and i'm hungry!
I've been on a wander-spree and have some great weapons for when i'm leveled enough and i'm wandering around some ruins with frikkin' plasma frikkin' spitting beasties... my level 4 ass has no chance Sod it, i'm getting my butt back to Goliet tonight and level up a bit.
Damn, i love this game. Cheers, PB!
I've been on a wander-spree and have some great weapons for when i'm leveled enough and i'm wandering around some ruins with frikkin' plasma frikkin' spitting beasties... my level 4 ass has no chance
Sod it, i'm getting my butt back to Goliet tonight and level up a bit.Damn, i love this game. Cheers, PB!
Jag
Member
It's the similar formula for many PB RPG games. You start out pathetically underpowered and are not coddled or hand held. It's survive or die. You aren't dropped into a nursery environment, allowed to build up a bit before you are shuttled off to the next zone that is appropriate for your level.
There is real danger and stakes. Maybe you can kill that level 20 beast at level 1 if you want to give it a shot or more likely spend the early levels running for your life. Eventually you grow in power through questing and exploring until you can go back and kill everything that ever scared you.
That's fun gameplay.
It's also great looking environment, crash free, fast load times and a decent fast travel system. There are enough good things to overcome the bad.
Jag
Member
Gareth Bryne
Member
Nice, just in time for a Friday afternoon session after work.
Time to go get splattered silly again by enemies while looking for mo' money.
Time to go get splattered silly again by enemies while looking for mo' money.