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Famitsu and Media Create Sales: 12/22 - 12/28
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Flying_Phoenix
Banned
jesusraz said:
With the Wii selling like it is I'm sure that it has a diverse enough userbase to support almost any genre. Certainly a JRPG. I can imagine the game coming out after Tales of Mothership and riding the hype train or possibly launching during a short drought.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I really couldn't see Konami putting Suikoden VI on PSP.
I can't imagine them being comfortable with the horrendous sales of Suikoden I+II, and the release of Suikoden Tierkries for the DS makes me think they're not too eager to put another on Sony's handheld.
I can't imagine them being comfortable with the horrendous sales of Suikoden I+II, and the release of Suikoden Tierkries for the DS makes me think they're not too eager to put another on Sony's handheld.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Decent/good hardware sales do not necessarily translate into being a fertile land for "almost any genre." In particular, Wii does not have a good track record with RPGs (Some of that would be do to lack of RPGs, and Dragon Quest X will change that somewhere down the road. Up until now, though, it's not doing so hot), and most Japanese RPG fans have been led to believe that the 360 is the system of choice outside of SCEI and FFXIII games.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
donny2112 said:
The only RPG I remember bombing on the Wii was Opoona.
Tales of Symphonia 2 did very well especially for a Tales spinoff (outselling every Xbox 360 RPG, including Tales of Vesperia by nearly double), and Dragon Quest Swords is currently the best selling next gen RPG.
That's a better track record than both the PS3 and Xbox 360, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.
jeremy1456 said:
One thing that the 360 and PS3 had going for it is that, up until the DQX announcement, third-parties seemed to want users to look to those consoles for RPGs in the console-space. Post DQX announcement, things could be end up being different. As far as sales, Tales of Symphonia: KOR didn't do as well as I expected, and I usually think of Dragon Quest Swords as a very non-standard RPG. It's not that I think that PS3 and 360 are actually better for RPG sales in Japan (despite what third-parties seem to want), but just that the Wii's track record isn't particularly good on its own. As I said, some of that is do to a great lack of games to form a long track record from.
At the very least, it's not safe to assume that since the Wii is selling decent/good that it automatically has the right userbase to support a Suikoden VI release. Core games haven't been faring great in Japan for the Wii, and RPGs typically have some of the most hardcore followers outside of Dragon Quest and Pokemon.
Does that make more sense?
ThatObviousUser
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jeremy1456 said:
Whoah, really? Dawn of the New World did that well? DQS did that well??
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Andrex said:
I believe DQS is just short of 500k in Japan, whereas Dawn of the New World is somewhere in 200k - 250k.
ThatObviousUser
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jeremy1456 said:
And no current-gen JRPG has sold 500k yet?
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Ariexv said:
Because this is a Famitsu thread I think we're just talking about Japan.
Dragon Quest Swords has also sold 500k worldwide.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Andrex said:
Nope, not in Japan.
EDIT: Just ignore what I had previously typed here - I forgot for half a second we were talking about consoles.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
donny2112 said:
Some notes:
- Tales of Symphonia:KoR didn't meet your expectations? It was a spin-off if you set it any higher then you're setting yourself up for dissapointment and just unrealistic expectations. I mean the game has sold more then any other Tales game on any current gen system in Japan.
- Core games in Japan haven't been fairing well on ANY system. There are successes as well as failures. Just look at the bombs the DS has been having as well as the roses. I can say the exact same with the PSP and PS3 as well. The Wii has it's success's (Tales of Symphonia KoR, 428, Dragon Quest Swords, One Piece) and it's failures (Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Tenchu IV, Bleach Versus). And looking at these titles closely it's easy to see why the ones that failed failed. Tatsunoko vs Capcom contrary to popular belief was more of a budget title then a blockbuster as it was Tatsunoko who asked Capcom to make the game not the other way around. Not to mention that the game was very poorly marketed hence why it didn't do well in the Wii nor in the arcades. I don't know the story about Bleach Versus (but it IS a Treasure game and we all know how those usually pan out) but do these failures mean that the Wii can't sell fighting games? Of course not because while Bleach Versus bombed an enhanced port of the Gamecube fighting game did fairly well in the charts (especially for what it was). The game was probably marketed as it was probably advertised correctly and came out during the right time. Hell if I was just focusing on flops = game can't sell I could have said that casual rhythm games can't sell on Wii because of Let's Tap's market performance however that one Drum game is lit up the charts.
I'm not saying that the Wii is some core software selling machine. What I am trying to say is that it's up to the publisher to decide how well the game does. And well yeah due to the fact that the Wii has such a huge userbase the higher amount chance that it will have a certain userbase on it. I am aware that some consoles with significantly smaller userbases sell some genres better like how the 360 sells shoot-em-ups better then the Wii (similar to how the SEGA Saturn did compared to the Playstation) but for a genre as broad as JRPG I'm certain that the Wii would do fine. Also let's not forget about the "World-Wide Factor".
Andrex said:
Yep. Not to mention that it has the best selling console Fire Emblem since the SNES versions (so better then both the Gamecube ones).
BishopLamont
Banned
It done more better then ToV and is a spin-off, considering most DS RPG's besides the FF's, DQ's and Pokemons do 100k-200k, don't you think it sold to expectation? Even other third party games in general haven't done quite well.donny2112 said:
jeremy1456
Junior Member
HK-47 said:
We're discussing console game sales.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
I love how Tales of Symphonia 2 is now just a spin off and has done wonderfully, and also how it is close to 300k or doubling Vesperia, such a stellar milestone btw. Sure guys, whatever floats your boat. "TOS2" is another disappointing performance in a dying series, but hey, its on the Wii, in the kingdom of blind men the one-eyed is king.
Captain Smoker
Member
It has sold 710.000 worldwide (shipped).jeremy1456 said:
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Suikoden VI already has a platform.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
But isn't it a spin-off? Not done by the original team, lower budget, etc.
I will not argue that it's sales were steller (they were not) but most signs point to it being a spinoff. Calling it TOS2 is giving it more credit than even Namco Bandai gave it (they didn't put a "2" after it, unlike other Tales of sequels).
And of course that is why I am a lot of other Symphonia fans were less than excited with it. We all wanted a sequel and we got a spin-off.
But I agree with all your other points. It should have sold better due to the larger base and a lot of people are trying to spin it as more of a success than it was. But it can also be seen as spin to say it was the next main game in the tales series and that it flopped (because it was on the Wii?).
But I guess wether you call it a main game or spin-off depends on you bias.
Wii fans: Just a spin-off and sold great for that.
PS3 fans: It's a main game. Tales of fans don't want it on the Wii
360 fans: TOV did good for the 360 userbase
There is some truth and some spin to all of these.
SilverLunar
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
This game doesn't seem to follow closely in the footsteps of the last one in some ways -- for example, the fact that you can have monsters in your party. Why change things, particularly when Symphonia was one of the most popular games in the series so far?
TG: From a gameplay standpoint, there were a lot of new elements that we really wanted to try and implements, such as the monster recruitment mechanic you mentioned. While these would be seen as a radical shift of focus in a traditional Tales game, approaching the title as a spin-off gives us the confidence to freely attempt these new systems.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19327
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Indeed it is, I said 'now' because before the release, there were quite a few people who still tried to argue what it was to those like me who said it was a spin-off from the start, and they suddenly changed their argument when it was released and it sold like it did. I don't think those are series fans but platform fans to be honest, just trying to pick up things to throw.Vinnk said:
I always use "TOS2" now because of that, the official nickname is TOS-R and its a spinoff following the story of TOS, no doubt there.
Augemitbutter
Member
suikoden VI would bomb on wii, its the wrong userbase.
tierkreis isnt doing that well, so i doubt theyll bring another for DS anytime soon. i hope VI gets announced soon.
tierkreis isnt doing that well, so i doubt theyll bring another for DS anytime soon. i hope VI gets announced soon.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
How are we defining "well"?cvxfreak said:
Power Pro comes to mind, though. The most recent DS and PSP games are over a quarter million each, and up there with the best of the GBA releases.
Both have Tales games over 200K, though it's been a while.
Augemitbutter
Member
where its always been, of course.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Suikoden VI hasn't been anywhere yet. Suikoden in general has always been on PS1, PS2, GBA, PSP, or DS.Augemitbutter said:
Paracelsus
Member
cw_sasuke said:
This is not Dragon Quest.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Yeah, it's Suikoden. I'm pretty sure that's what they were talking about.Paracelsus said:
Really, why would it do any better on PS3 than Wii?
jesusraz
Member
As I said before, until Wii gets a few more RPGs under its belt it's hard to tell just how VI would do on it.Augemitbutter said:
As some have already pointed out, DQS and Fire Emblem sold well. ToS: KoR didn't fare too badly, depending what side of the fence you sit on, and even Zelda wasn't a massive disaster considering it was a launch game and was released on GC as well (albeit online-only).
So you can't exactly come out with a sweeping statement like 'it's the wrong userbase'...not just yet anyway
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Oh, Tabris. You don't remember you were kicked out of all Sales-Age threads including M-C, NPD and Famitsu, for essentially not knowing what you're talking on about?
Silly, silly Tabris.
Silly, silly Tabris.
Eteric Rice
Member
Augemitbutter said:
The userbase will follow it.
At least, if enough RPGs hit the Wii.
Dragona Akehi said:
Wat.
JoshuaJSlone said:
True, but lets not discount Square and Enix entirely, and lets look at all PS1-era Rpgs which hit 400K+ without the help of the Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest names:
SaGa Frontier - 1.09M
Parasite Eve - 994K
Xenogears - 892k
Tales of Destiny - 829k
Arc the Lad II - 817k
Legend of Mana - 707k
Star Ocean: The Second Story - 700k
Chrono Cross - 689k
SaGa Frontier 2 - 675k
Tales of Eternia - 669k
Brave Fencer Musashi - 649k
Valkirye Profile - 635k
Tales of Phantasia - 550k
Front Mission 2 - 496k
Breath of Fire III - 435k
PoPoLoCrois Monogatari - 406k
16 titles that I recognize from 13 non-Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest series. On top of that, 4 titles (all over 600k) are completely new franchises.
Discounting Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Pokemon games, how many Rpgs have been released to >400k sales in the past 5 years for all consoles? I'd be willing to bet the list is shorter than the one above which only represents the PS1. Also, when was the last time a new jRPG franchise broke 600k? Kingdom Hearts?
Discounting the big three from S-E and the Pokemon games, there seems to be 1/2-1/3 as many gamers interested in jRPGs (in general) currently as there was in the PS1 era. Numbers from nearly every series have been on a downward trend since then.