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I'm sure she was running the bar fine.
rofl
I'm sure she was running the bar fine.
But what if shes competent in what she's doing (she is) and just...wants to flaunt her sexual characteristics?
I never see people bring this up. Maybe Cindy is just executing a brilliant marketing plan that nobody on Eos thought of yet.
But it's just super meta because it works on the player too lol
Just wait for the 7R rewrites!The most important thing this game proves is that the plot of the game was a mess and continously rewritten even during the Versus days, so much for Nomura's sacred vision.
But what if shes competent in what she's doing (she is) and just...wants to flaunt her sexual characteristics?
I never see people bring this up. Maybe Cindy is just executing a brilliant marketing plan that nobody on Eos thought of yet.
But it's just super meta because it works on the player too lol
I'm getting flashbacks to when people were arguing that Quiet dressed that way because she wanted to seduce Snake and that made her a good character. When the truth of the matter is that she had no agency in her design choices and is just designed to appeal to men specifically and is really out of place in her own game despite the aesthetic clashing with a fanservice character. PRETTY SURE it's the same case for Cidney, as nothing in the game whatsoever indicates that she likes to flaunt her sexuality, because she has none, as that clashes with the idea of her being objectified, like so many other fanservice characters she's completely sexless. Nothing she does ever has anything to do with sex, she's a character being sexualized for the sake of it.Exactly that. You even hear NPC's saying that they are taking their car all the way out to Hammerhead even when there are closer stations. They are going there to see Cindy. She's doing it to keep good business and help take care of Cid. It's the same reason there are bikini coffee stands. If you have a problem with Cindy then why don't you go protest some bikini coffee stands in real life.
If you have a problem with Cindy then why don't you go protest some bikini coffee stands in real life.
The most important thing this game proves is that the plot of the game was a mess and continously rewritten even during the Versus days, so much for Nomura's sacred vision.
I think her being the first character outside of Noctis and co to have a figure being made of her adds to this idea. On Quiet's design Kojima at one stage said he wanted her to look the way she did to encourage cosplay and figure sales, there was no reason other than titillation for her design. Honestly Cindy just annoys me so I don't really bother thinking about her design myself but if I had to, I'd go with a line of thinking like this.I'm getting flashbacks to when people were arguing that Quiet dressed that way because she wanted to seduce Snake and that made her a good character. When the truth of the matter is that she had no agency in her design choices and is just designed to appeal to men specifically and is really out of place in her own game despite the aesthetic clashing with a fanservice character. PRETTY SURE it's the same case for Cidney, as nothing in the game whatsoever indicates that she likes to flaunt her sexuality, because she has none, as that clashes with the idea of her being objectified, like so many other fanservice characters she's completely sexless. Nothing she does ever has anything to do with sex, she's a character being sexualized for the sake of it.
PSY・S;227151146 said:
People are stretching this way too far.
Ferrari was not a writer on the project nor did he specify the magnitude of these "rewrites".
Just wait for the 7R rewrites!
People are stretching this way too far.
Ferrari was not a writer on the project nor did he specify the magnitude of these "rewrites".
No worse, everyone is Gackt!Everybody is Sephirot!
Gentiana is one of my favorite character designs ever.
Why do I need a female character to relate to? I don't play FF games to insert myself but to experience the stories of the characters. Characters, not avatars. I found Prompto not fitting in and lack of self-esteem as a child to be incredibly relatable. Just because you shove a female character in a party, doesn't mean I get anything out of her.
Edit: And for that matter, why is it a company's requirement to represent both genders? Why not all races then? Sexualities? Not every story calls for a playable female character. XV's certainly didn't.
The comparison is ridiculous.
The funny thing about the brand of hyperbole around these XV threads is that it isn't even hyperbole because people literally believe the things they type.
And just look at the picture they used to advertise said figure.I think her being the first character outside of Noctis and co to have a figure being made of her adds to this idea. On Quiet's design Kojima at one stage said he wanted her to look the way she did to encourage cosplay and figure sales, there was no reason other than titillation for her design. Honestly Cindy just annoys me so I don't really bother thinking about her design myself but if I had to, I'd go with a line of thinking like this.
Wasn't talking about that GameFAQs "leak", which sounds like bullshit. The one from the GAF thread from my post above sounds absolutely plausible and not too far off. And now that Ferrari mentioned the Umbra thing the leak sounds even more credible for mentioning the random fact of Umbra originally being a party member in human form.
Of course it happens but with the long development time of this game I really did expect it to be complete. Tabata is most definitely at fault in my eyes for how he marketed Luna as an essential "keystone" to the FFXV title. It would help if she did anything substantial.
Who?What about Jared/ who designed him?
So true. And yet Kaylee, despite not being sexualized, is actually.... sexual! There's a scene (off-screen, not explicit, but still clear as to what's happening) of her having sex with a dude at some point. And she likes to flirt and so on.Cindy's design is literally there to titillate. Down to the gratuitous sexy animations when she services the car.
It'a just backwards. No not need for it. She should have been more like Kayley from Firefly who is very attractive but not sexualised at all.
Awesome post.It's bad when it plays into damaging stereotypes and trends, such as the sexist double standard in popular media's presentation of female characters. Have you considered why, if you take set of random female characters, and a set of male ones, it's mostly the women who are dressed in impractical erotic outfits? Why is it that women are constantly cheapened by being treated as sexy props, even when they're working professionals going about their daily lives?
This reflects a wider social trend of female objectification that attacks women's worth by reinforcing, over and over again, the idea that women's main value is their sex appeal. Apart from anything else they can offer, they've got to be hot.
Presentation matters. If there were a trend where black people were constantly treated like beasts of burden, and in 9/10 of the games you played it was the black guy who had to carry all the backpacks and do all the heavy lifting, and the camera took special opportunities to show humorous vignettes of the black character struggling with his load, would you be OK with that insulting stereotype, which blatantly supports an unequal view of black people?
There are better strawmen to express your indifference to gender issues. Try harder.
...?? What do you mean, "yes but"? That's exactly the problem. If Cindy were a one-off case, I bet no one would care, but she's part of a larger trend of sexism in JRGPs.I still don't understand why all the hate about Cindy
It's oversexualizaded and unrealistic? Yes, but we can find this type of design in 90% of the JRPGs (or maybe 90% of all japanese games), including past Final Fantasy
I don't know what that is... but that ain't armourThe style of her armor kinda reminds of FFIV armor. Ferrari is pretty good.
I don't know what that is... but that ain't armour
I'm getting flashbacks to when people were arguing that Quiet dressed that way because she wanted to seduce Snake and that made her a good character. When the truth of the matter is that she had no agency in her design choices and is just designed to appeal to men specifically and is really out of place in her own game despite the aesthetic clashing with a fanservice character. PRETTY SURE it's the same case for Cidney, as nothing in the game whatsoever indicates that she likes to flaunt her sexuality, because she has none, as that clashes with the idea of her being objectified, like so many other fanservice characters she's completely sexless. Nothing she does ever has anything to do with sex, she's a character being sexualized for the sake of it.
You have a hard time believing this official comment from a source, but you have no trouble believing the BS spouted by the 4chan leak? lolPeople are stretching this way too far.
Ferrari was not a writer on the project nor did he specify the magnitude of these "rewrites".
A story doesn't need to have a beginning and end, it also has a lot of interactions in between that make it memorable. They need to create scenarios that make the game fun, work on building character relations and background and much more.How hard is it to write a Final Fantasy story? I mean seriously. A group from all walks of life join together to stop evil. The evil wants, oh I dunno. Off the top of my head, how about a CRYSTAL?
You can have that one for free, Square.
Did anyone get a screenshot of this? It has been removed from Facebook.
Considering Cindy runs literally the only car garage in the entire country of Lucis, a place where people travel everywhere by car and where vehicles are regularly in need of repair due to demons / beasts / invading armies / supernatural thunderstorms, I don't think she needs to rely on revealing her bra in order to attract customers.
But, of course, we can't prove that that she wasn't designed with some deeper, more substantial reason for running around with her thong visible.
Maybe she breathes through her skin!
lol
The style of her armor kinda reminds of FFIV armor. Ferrari is pretty good.
No, hell no. The boob window is fucking atrocious. No armor is good armor if they leave the chest wide open, and we know it's wide open because horny boys want to jerk off looking at the breasts or something.
What about Jared/ who designed him?
Why do I need a female character to relate to? I don't play FF games to insert myself but to experience the stories of the characters. Characters, not avatars. I found Prompto not fitting in and lack of self-esteem as a child to be incredibly relatable. Just because you shove a female character in a party, doesn't mean I get anything out of her.
Edit: And for that matter, why is it a company's requirement to represent both genders? Why not all races then? Sexualities? Not every story calls for a playable female character. XV's certainly didn't.
I dunno, either. I get "Hot Ryu" but I don't get Gladio; he seems like an empty vessel to just project onto, to me -- not much personality either way. It's funny you bring up the Backstreet Boys because I feel like Square tried to sort of create a J-pop version of that in the cast of four.I would genuinely love to know who these people are, I guess Gladio is catered to me but I just find him ridiculous on every level. The fact that I dislike his character doesn't help, but I also don't find him remotely attractive.
Maybe i'm to 'old' (i'm 30) to be into a character that looks like him. If I could ask my 16 year old self I may have answered differently. I used to like the Backstreet boys so anything is possible (i'm not ashamed either, you have to own up to your bad taste).
Considering Cindy runs literally the only car garage in the entire country of Lucis, a place where people travel everywhere by car and where vehicles are regularly in need of repair due to demons / beasts / invading armies / supernatural thunderstorms, I don't think she needs to rely on revealing her bra in order to attract customers.
But, of course, we can't prove that that she wasn't designed with some deeper, more substantial reason for running around with her thong visible.
Maybe she breathes through her skin!
lol
If you listen to NPC's they talk about going out of their way to get car service done in Hammerhead even when there are closer service stations elsewhere. Her outfit is a cross between a mechanic and grid girls at the race track. It's a themed costume and it keeps the place in good business.
lol @ "I would like to know how you got access to this previously unreleased material"
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1323493
I'm talking about these. The alleged employee came back and stated that Umbra (along with Cor, Aranea and Iris) were permanent party members in Nomura's game. Umbra being able to change forms while fighting like Link in Twilight Princess would have been an amazing mechanic if this is true.
No, I don't mean these. Never saw these before. I mean those from the "FFXV development troubles/Rumored Versus plot leaked" a week or so after release. They mentioned Umbra originally being a human that joined the cast. This coming from Ferrari is really giving that leak some legitimately, damn. It all sounded so plausible too. Especially of you beat the game and saw the "seams" at all the parts where stuff was apparently cut according to leak. Read them if you finished the game, they're super interesting!
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1323493&page=1
Oh, noticed this just now:
Oh, and on a possible Cidney redesign (End-game spoilers!):
In my opinion, just because he did Cidney's design doesn't mean Ferrari is a pervert or a bad character designer.
All with the approval of her adoring Grandfather, who is right there.
I can go along with a lot of excuses for her costume, but hanging around her Grandfather in that outfit is just plain weird and shows that they really have not thought it through.
In my opinion, just because he did Cidney's design doesn't mean Ferrari is a pervert
So wait, a baka gaijin did the character designs for this game?
PSY・S;227170268 said:look at his official cidney illustrations
look at his deviantart lol
Maybe he recharges his energy through photosynthesis?Hopefully in Gladio's DLC they show why a kings guard is allowed to walk around without a shirt on as well.
I kinda want to say Cindy is better than Quiet, not sure how, but she was like on a different league on her own while Cindy looks like typical fanservice girl #4576 (may even work on a GTA game) mostly stands out because she is one if the few notorious women on that paper thin game about Brotherly Bros.I'm getting flashbacks to when people were arguing that Quiet dressed that way because she wanted to seduce Snake and that made her a good character. When the truth of the matter is that she had no agency in her design choices and is just designed to appeal to men specifically and is really out of place in her own game despite the aesthetic clashing with a fanservice character. PRETTY SURE it's the same case for Cidney, as nothing in the game whatsoever indicates that she likes to flaunt her sexuality, because she has none, as that clashes with the idea of her being objectified, like so many other fanservice characters she's completely sexless. Nothing she does ever has anything to do with sex, she's a character being sexualized for the sake of it.
We would need a Cindy DLC to understand her backstory, much like other characters. I could imagine Cid tried to fight it at first and she said something like she's a strong woman and she's the one trying to hold the business together. Don't forget, they have to pay the chef at the cafe. Cid would just have to get used to it and he's still proud of her hard work and mechanical skills.
Hopefully in Gladio's DLC they show why a kings guard is allowed to walk around without a shirt on as well.