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Fighting Games Weekly | Nov 24-30 | Fighting Geriatrics Community

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enzo_gt

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Week of November 24th to 30th, 2014.

Fighting Games Weekly is the weekly discussion thread for all things fighting games. News, events, streams, videos, players, drama, everything fighting game related.

Don't know what to watch right now? Check the FGCPros Twitch Group or Jaxel's Stream Viewer. If you want to watch multiple streams at once, you can use Jaxel's customizable multiviewer as well.

New to FGC-GAF is the FGC-GAF Index which lists the fighting games GAFers plays as a neat reference with some rough statistics to boot. To add yourself to the index, quote this post and use the survey link below. Please remember to save/bookmark the "Edit your response" link so you can edit your responses if/when you buy a game already on the list or a new game that releases in the future.


Last week's thread. An archive of previous FGW threads is available here.​


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DreamHack Winter 2014 [ Saturday ] [ 11AM Sweden | 5AM EDT | 2AM PDT ]


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The FGW Spotlight will return next week!
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Code: 
11/28  Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (EU) (AUS: 11/29, JP: 12/06)
12/04  Guilty Gear Xrd -Sign- (JP) (NA: 12/16)
Q4     Arcana Heart 3: LOVE MAX!!!!! (EU)
Q4     BLADE ARCUS from Shining
Q4     Rise of Incarnates
Q4     Skullgirls Encore
Q4     Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm
SPRING Dead or Alive 5: LAST ROUND
04/15  Mortal Kombat X
2015   Dragon Ball Xenoverse
2015   Rivals of Aether
2015   Under Night In-Birth (NA/EU)
TBD    Beast's Fury
TBD    Next The King Of Fighters Title (tentative)
TBD    Tekken 7
TBD    Tekken X Street Fighter
TBD    Yatagarasu: Legend of Raven


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Super Desperation Radio [ 9:30PM EDT | 6:30 PDT ]
  • Hellpockets and various other members of the KoF community discuss KoF and happenings in the FGC.
Marvel Mondays [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • Out of the ashes of The BOX Arena, comes the San Diego FGC's newest organized weekly for UMvC3.
UltraChenTV: First Attack & Lv3 Focus [ 11:30PM EDT | 8:30PM PDT ]
  • Weekly FGC show dedicated to match analysis, teaching, commentary, news, debates, and more! Hosted by UltraDavid and James Chen.


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Kachitagari TV (JP) [ 9PM JST | 8AM EDT | 5AM PDT ]
  • Bon-chan, Kazunoko and Fuudo's new show, focusing primarily on SSFIV AE ranked matches but is branching off into other games as well.
NYC VF [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • NYC VF crew presents VF5:FS tournaments casuals out of The Next Level arcade in Brooklyn.
The Break Weekly [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • New Jersey's largest weekly featuring UMvC3 and Injustice.
The On Blast Show [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • JamessMK & DarKNaTaS host a raw and uncut weekly talk show discussing events in the FGC with various FGC personalities.
UltraChenTV: The Tuesday Show [ 11:30PM EDT | 8:30PM PDT ]
  • Weekly FGC show dedicated to match analysis, teaching, commentary, news, debates, and more! Hosted by UltraDavid and James Chen.
The Show That Sucks [ 1AM EDT (following day) | 10PM PDT ]
  • iPlaywinner hosts a weekly talk show featuring alpha stream monsters Harrison and Honzo Gonzo.


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Game Spot Versus KoF Casuals (JP) [ 7PM JST | 6AM EDT | 3AM PDT ]
  • KoF 1998UM, KoF 2002UM and KoF XIII C action from Japan.
TOPANGA TV (JP) [ 9PM JST | 8AM EDT | 5AM PDT ]
  • Description needed.
Next Level Battle Circuit [ 8PM EDT | 4PM PDT ]
  • NYC's biggest weekly at The Next Level Arcade in Brooklyn featuring SSFIV AE, UMvC3 and TTT2. If the Teamsp00ky link is not working, it is likely on the backup stream on Arturo's channel.
Wednesday Night Fights [ 12AM EDT (following day) | 9PM PDT ] [ON HIATUS]


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HBTB Live [ 8PM EDT | 5PM PDT ]
  • Hold Back To Block hosts a weekly roundtable discussion of various happenings in the FGC.
Melee It On Me [ 9PM EDT | 6PM PDT ]
  • A bi-weekly Smash podcast discussing recent events, news and issues in the Smash community, hosted by Scar, Prog, Cactuar and Sheridan.
Ghost Battle Series [ 9PM CST | 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • Galloping Ghost Arcade presents an Injustice weekly out of Chicago.
The Fray [ 10PM EDT | 7PM PDT ]
  • A weekly FGC talk show hosted by iPlaywinner, featuring a varying, ensemble cast of prominent members of the fighting game community.
ATP LIVE! [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • Aris' new weekly show, discussing whatever he wants to! The format resembles old ATP podcasts.
The Runback [ 12AM EDT (following day) | 9PM PDT ] [ON HIATUS]
  • The UMvC3 and KoF XIII branch of Wednesday Night Fights also hosted at Super Arcade in Walnut, California.


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The Smash Break Bi-Weekly [ 6PM EDT | 3PM PDT ]
  • The Break hosts a new Melee bi-weekly to replace Rokunaya Bi-Weeklies which are ending.
Thank God It's Team Stickbug [ 7PM EDT | 4PM PDT ]
  • Arturo streams a BlazBlue and Guilty Gear bi-weekly out of Next Level arcade in Brooklyn.
KaoTV! (JP) [ 11PM JST | 10AM EDT | 7AM PDT ]
SALTY! [ 11PM EDT | 8PM PDT ]
  • A bi-weekly Skullgirls event hosted by members of the Skullgirls development team, often featuring preview builds of the game.


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Rebel Up [ 7PM EDT | 4PM PDT ]
  • Super Arcade's anime bi-weekly, featuring GG, BB, P4A, SG, Gundam and older anime games as well.


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GGPO VanBats [ 4PM EDT | 1PM PDT ]
  • Weekly GGPO Vampire Savior ranbats streamed by GAFer Rotanibor.
Super Smash Sundays [ 4PM EDT | 1PM PDT ] [ON HIATUS]
  • Level|Up and Team OXY partner up to create a new weekly for the SoCal Melee community, featuring doubles and singles.


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On GAF we have various members that stream fighting games from time to time too. If you would like to add your channel to this thread, send me a PM.

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Often, some fighting games can seem intimidating to players new and old. Below are a bunch of resources that may be of aid to new players, or handy as references.
  • Learn How To Play Fighting Games Free eBook from Shoryuken is a fantastic primer for new players to the genre.
  • Footsies Handbook is a guide to the potentially elusive, but integral part of doing well in any fighting game.
  • NeoGAF's Arcade Stick Thread is the place to go for questions about anything arcade stick-related.
  • Step Up Your Game is an editorial series by Justin Wong that covers a multitude of topics, notably focusing on strengthening your mental game and playing smarter instead of harder.
  • Tips for first time competitors will help you straighten out those nerves and expectations when you head out to your first tournament.
  • Domination 101 is almost a cult classic article in the FGC, which has Seth Killian telling us how he really feels about the idea of "cheapness" in fighting games.
  • Team-building Guide by our very own Karsticles, which helps make it easier to approach team-building in MvC games, and games with similar synergistic elements.
For a list of NeoGAF OTs for specific fighting games, as well as a list of non-GAF fighting game communities that may be of interest, check out the FGW Archive where these resources can be found on separate sheets at the bottom.
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If you have any suggestions for the OP, please do not hesitate to post in this thread or (preferably) PM me to let me know.
 
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Dlent

Member
Great throwback tourney, kind of a pity that there wasn't TTT1 or any GG there. Daigo actually won GGXX at EVO 2004, but I guess that victory wasn't as hype.

Or maybe....

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Rotanibor

Member
During the 3S exhibition, at first I wanted to turn my head away at how bad the play was, but when the full parry happen again I laughed for like 3 minutes straight and it became totally worth it.

edit: also we ran Vampire Savior and Alpha 2 side tournaments at 37reloaded

http://i.imgur.com/KMXdiML.png -- Vampire Savior bracket from 37reloaded
http://i.imgur.com/VyhB4Pf.png -- Alpha 2 bracket from 37reloaded

brackets are there if anybody is interested. Couldn't get Valle to enter A2 once again sadly. ): One day I will force him to play with me damn it! I should probably play a bit more A2, not quite at the point I can beat NerdJosh in it yet.
 
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petghost

Banned
Daigos sol was so ugly lol. Ume volcanic viper just doesn't have the same ring to it. That dude would whiff vvs like full screen.

What a moment that exhibition was though.
 
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gutabo

Member
Vice said:
Iirc, he spent a lot of time this year focused on Marvel and KI rather than SF due to having a better chance at dominating those two at majors. At least until Evo.
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He dodged a MM against Khaos(talking to khaos in the mvc2 fb group):
Kenneth Villalobos November 18 at 4:57pm - After Sanford S Kelly, I want Justin Wong. After that, I'm done.

Justin Wong November 18 at 5:00pm - But I suck right now. I don't want you to kick me in the head a million times

Kenneth Villalobos November 18 at 5:01pm - Justin Wong DON'T GIMME DAT

Justin Wong November 18 at 5:03pm - I'm serious!! I been on that sf4! 30gs on the line for 1st place in 3 weeks!!!
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Azure J

Member
QisTopTier said:
no
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Damn, Cody got curved lol

Anth0ny said:
I'm learning Rosalina.

I don't give a fuck anymore.
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I want to put Rosalina and Palutena on the team, especially after that wonderful Palu combo video came to my attention in the Smash thread. At the same time, that'd be more time not spent leveling up my Pit, learning crazy things with Greninja, piling up bodies with Zero Suit Samus or reminiscing about the good old days with Marth.
 
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FSLink

Banned
God damn that Daigo 2014 parry.

RE: top tierz:
I'm already on that Diddy Kong train so I think I'll stick with him, Robin, and Ness. I like Marth in Smash Wii U too despite hating how he felt in Brawl.

I think Palutena is secret top tier with the indefinite Lightweight glitch, but that'll probably get patched out later.

I sent a few friend requests to a few of you here on Miiverse, hit me up for games whenever. I usually play with customs on, no equipment.
 
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JoeInky

Member
I just saw the K9 salty sprint.

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I think this might be my favourite reaction to a game ever, he doesn't just leave, he straight up runs away.

I have no idea what the guy in the blue shirt is doing.
 
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ElTopo

Banned
OP's post forgot to mention the KOF UM's coming to Steam very soon.

Also, FightCade got updated again. 3S feels really good, comparable to 3SOE post-patch.
 
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Anth0ny

Member
I definitely want to learn greninja too.


Horrible realization: I had more fun playing brawl Marth, meta knight and snake than ANYONE in smash 4 so far :(
 
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Coffeeling

Member
BadWolf said:
Really enjoying the uh... character variety.
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You should be enjoying it, you're a KOF fan after all :p

Flame Iori / Karate / Kim v. Kim / Karate / Claw Iori?
Iori / Chris / Daimon v. Kyo / Daimon / Iori?
Are you not entertained?


Speaking of which, it annoys me to no end when people say SF4 has great character diversity because 8/~40 characters see play in the top 8 - or 7/~40 (only two repeats!!11!one).

Then KOF13 gets complaints because 15/36 characters see play? And it's somehow more stale?
 
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CommandThrower

Member
JoeInky said:
I just saw the K9 salty sprint.


I think this might be my favourite reaction to a game ever, he doesn't just leave, he straight up runs away.
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Forrest Griffin?


New character Kan-Ra comes out for KI in a matter of hours for Ultra Edition owners, and he's definitely one of the more interesting new characters I've seen in long time. Ranged pokes, ranged command throws, and probably the best use of traps I've seen in a fighting game. Can't wait~!
 
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Marz

Member
FSLink said:
God damn that Daigo 2014 parry.

RE: top tierz:
I'm already on that Diddy Kong train so I think I'll stick with him, Robin, and Ness. I like Marth in Smash Wii U too despite hating how he felt in Brawl.

I think Palutena is secret top tier with the indefinite Lightweight glitch, but that'll probably get patched out later.

I sent a few friend requests to a few of you here on Miiverse, hit me up for games whenever. I usually play with customs on, no equipment.
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Brawl Marth is way faster, fluid, and powerful than this watered down version. I don't know if you actually played Brawl Marth or if laggy, shitty Marth is just genuinely fun in your mind.

Coffeeling said:
You should be enjoying it, you're a KOF fan after all :p

Flame Iori / Karate / Kim v. Kim / Karate / Claw Iori?
Iori / Chris / Daimon v. Kyo / Daimon / Iori?
Are you not entertained?


Speaking of which, it annoys me to no end when people say SF4 has great character diversity because 8/~40 characters see play in the top 8 - or 7/~40 (only two repeats!!11!one).

Then KOF13 gets complaints because 15/36 characters see play? And it's somehow more stale?
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Uh huh. How many times have I watched a grand finals in KOF that didnt involve Iori or Karate in the past year? Probably very few.

Meanwhile in SF4 theres a new character flavor of the month making noise or a MU that doesn't get played ever almost every tournament. T-Hawk, Dudley, Rufus, Sagat , Chun Li, Evil Ryu, Oni, Fei Long, Poison, Seth, El Fuerte etc the list goes on and on.

Keep believing whatever you want to believe though lol.
 
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FSLink

Banned
Marz said:
Brawl Marth is way faster, fluid, and powerful than this watered down version. I don't know if you actually played Brawl Marth or if laggy, shitty Marth is just genuinely fun in your mind.
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I have played him in Brawl, and I mained him in Melee. Customs just makes him pretty fun (Dash Breaker being an interesting approach option/recovery option, the no hitbox upB that makes him have increased vertical recovery to be able to go off stage more with less consequence), and normal non-custom shield breaking actually being a legitimate shield breaker is pretty fun too, combined with tipper'd fSmashes killing at much lower percents than Brawl.

So yes, he is genuinely fun in this version to me, thanks.

Karsticles said:
Palutena with Super Speed and Jump Glide is pure fun.
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I usually run Auto Reticle/Super Speed/Warp/Lightweight, but yeah Jump Glide is great fun.

Super Speed is probably one of the best custom moves in the game period.

For those who aren't familiar with Super Speed:
http://smashboards.com/threads/supe...ed-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bair.374449/
 
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Coffeeling

Member
Marz said:
Uh huh. How many times have I watched a grand finals in KOF that didnt involve Iori or Karate in the past year? Probably very few.

Meanwhile in SF4 theres a new character flavor of the month making noise or a MU that doesn't get played ever almost every tournament. T-Hawk, Dudley, Rufus, Sagat , Chun Li, Evil Ryu, Oni, Fei Long, Poison, Seth, El Fuerte etc the list goes on and on.

Keep believing whatever you want to believe though lol.
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Exactly the mindset I talked about earlier. See Karate => bleh no diversity. Team games concretely increase the chance of characters seeing play. I'm just trying to point out it's hypocritical to accuse KOF for lack of diverisity when:

SF4.
Cast size: 39-44
EVO top8 character representation:
2012: 9
2013: 10
2014: 12
Unique characters across three years: 23

2012 Finals: Akuma v. Adon
2013 Finals: Akuma v. Gen
2014 Finals: Rose v. Sagat
Unique characters in finals: 5

KOF13:
Cast size: 36
EVO top8 character representation:
2012: 20
2013: 15
2014: 16
Unique characters across three years: 25

2012 Finals: Duo/Chin/Kim vs. Billy/Takuma/Shen/Ralf/Clark/Benimaru
2013 Finals: Ryo/Takuma/Kim/Mai vs. Kim/Benimaru/Chin/EXKyo
2014 Finals: EXIori/Karate/Kim vs. EXIori/Karate/Chin
Unique characters in finals: 14

The whole cast would have to get played before people accepted KOF13 to be as diverse. The game has a smaller cast, routinely more of the cast see play both in relative and absolute terms, and the diversity over time is higher in both relative and absolute terms.

So what gives?

EDIT:
Id Global tournament bonus:
KOF13:
Cast size: 36
Unique characters used by top8 players: 14
Finals: Clark/Benimaru/EXIori/Daimon/Chin vs. EXIori/Karate/Kim (9 characters total)

SF4:
Cast size: 39
Unique characters used by top8 players: 7
Finals: Fei Long vs. Akuma
 
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Sayad

Member
Coffeeling said:
Speaking of which, it annoys me to no end when people say SF4 has great character diversity because 8/~40 characters see play in the top 8 - or 7/~40 (only two repeats!!11!one).

Then KOF13 gets complaints because 15/36 characters see play? And it's somehow more stale?
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8 different SF4 characters in top 8 is perfect diversity as you only have 8 characters slots(not counting alts). Top 8 KoF have 24 character slots, all the top 3 players at EVO use both EX Iori and Mr Karate, and you have 4 Kim users in top 8, people complain because the same characters keep showing up in every match. There was no top 8 match at this year's EVO without Kim or Mr Karate/EX Iori.
 
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mbpm1

Member
Sayad said:
8 different SF4 characters in top 8 is perfect diversity as you only have 8 characters slots(not counting alts). Top 8 KoF have 24 character slots, all the top 3 players at EVO use both EX Iori and Mr Karate, and you have 4 Kim users in top 8, people complain because the same characters keep showing up in every match. There was no top 8 match at this year's EVO without Kim or Mr Karate/EX Iori.
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Sounds like a Doom Vergil thing in Marvel.
 
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BadWolf

Member
Sayad said:
8 different SF4 characters in top 8 is perfect diversity as you only have 8 characters slots(not counting alts). Top 8 KoF have 24 character slots, all the top 3 players at EVO use both EX Iori and Mr Karate, and you have 4 Kim users in top 8, people complain because the same characters keep showing up in every match. There was no top 8 match at this year's EVO without Kim or Mr Karate/EX Iori.
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EX Iori/Mr. Karate/Kim
EX Iori/Mr. Karate/Chin
Clark/Mr. Karate/EX Iori/Kim
Duo Lon/Daimon/Kim/Chin
EX Kyo/Benimaru/Billy
King/Takuma/Kim
Duo Lon/Iori/Shen
Yuri/Saiki/King

Those were the teams used by the Top 8 at Evo 2014.

Only three people used Mr Karate/EX Iori and those people are well known tier whores in general.

And it's a team based game so naturally there would be more overlap. The same thing would happen in SF4.
 
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casperOne

Member
Enzo, I completely screwed the spotlight up this week, for that, and to the rest of you, I apologize.

I can complete it for next week (long weekend), or, it can go to the next person in the rotation (as my pennance).

Sorry about that =\
 
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alstein

Member
AlexSA2 said:
You see more character variety in the UM titles aside from Nameless/K'/Chris in 02UM.
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Thought it was Kasumi instead of Chris.

98UM had a lot more variety- prob the most variety of any KOF game once you got past Krauser, and Steam version has the Krauser nerfs (which nerf him down to upper-mid) Only KOFXIII came close in variety, and that variety declined as the game matured (which often does happen as a game ages)

As much as I complain about XIII and how it strayed form what I liked about KOF, it was one of SNK's better balancing efforts, though the DLC hurt it some.
 
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Seyavesh

Member
alstein said:
Thought it was Kasumi instead of Chris.
98UM had a lot more variety- prob the most variety of any KOF game once you got past Krauser, and Steam version has the Krauser nerfs (which nerf him down to upper-mid)
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i thought 98UM was ex blue mary mirrors for all eternity
 
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