RelentlessRolento
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This just makes me want to throw money their way even more
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Fighting Layer EX devs expect to lose money, just want to make a game
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BudokaiMR2
Member
Which is still an incredibly varied amount of configurations. Do you have any experience in QA at all to be making these claims?
Skimping out on compatibility testing is a surefire way to have your game shit on for being a bad port.
GhostTrick
Banned
And hence why you have modern middlewares to handle this.
No, I have zero experience in QA. Although, it's not complicated to just take a look at what indies can do, even with a really small team.
Game developpement on PC is the same thing, whenever you're a one person team or a 100 person one. And I doubt the one person team go through QA with lot of configurations.
Mr Touchdown
Member
I look forward to learning more about GOUGI
BudokaiMR2
Member
The volume of sales between indies and AAA plus the way fans would react to compatibility issues are the two factors you are missing.
Its not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.
Arika was founded by ex-Capcom people, including one of the main figures behind Street Fighter 2; they made the Street Fighter EX series as well as an arcade-only fighting game called Fighting Layer and they're also behind the Tetris: The Grand Master series (the crazy games you see on speedrunning streams) as well as many of the Dr. Mario games and Nintendo's Endless Ocean series.
GhostTrick
Banned
Not really. I mean, we're not talking about a AAA game here for one. And second, compatibility issues is the key word here. A lot of indies are able to ship games that are considered good port, without any major issues. They didn't go through extensive testing through a wide range of configuration. Because there are multiple standards and middleware that are supposed to handle all these hardware configurations, which are supposed to comply to said standards.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Not really. I mean, we're not talking about a AAA game here for one. And second, compatibility issues is the key word here. A lot of indies are able to ship games that are considered good port, without any major issues. They didn't go through extensive testing through a wide range of configuration. Because there are multiple standards and middleware that are supposed to handle all these hardware configurations, which are supposed to comply to said standards."
Yup. The idea that PC games require a lot of testing for different hardware configurations is extremely antiquated.
Yup. The idea that PC games require a lot of testing for different hardware configurations is extremely antiquated.
Even more so when the game is on UE4!
More platforms = more work
Have you heard the horror stories of the some smaller studios working on multiple consoles? It knocks the life out of them
KnightimeX_Legacy
Banned
If this comes to PC and PS4 I will likely double dip.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I just shipped a flagship fighting game on Steam and we are still getting new issues cropping up on a daily basis. We spent a lot of time testing a lot of antiquated hardware because we know users barely pay attention to required specs or expect their rig to magically overcome those hard requirements.
It's easier than it used to be but the amount of testing needed for a proper PC port is not comparable to what you need for something like PS4.
And indie devs still have issues too. Go take a look at the tech support forums for any big name indie on Steam and I'm sure you will find hundreds if not thousands of comments/threads.
Doctrine Dark
Member
Was getting it day 1 anyway. Hope the project takes off.
Wow I can only imagine how long your issue tracker was at launch.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Me too!
lucebuce12
Member
This just brings a tear to my eye.
I'm preordering this the day it goes up.
I'm preordering this the day it goes up.
GinoFelino
Member
So awesome. And still they manage to completely outshine SF V and MvC:I
Getting this day one
Getting this day one
BudokaiMR2
Member
We never should have aimed for the specs we did on the minimum honestly.
We had a lot of issues with the stupid Integrated Intel HD graphics because for certain types of laptops they can't even update to the newest drivers for some odd reason
(I guess some issue with the manufacturer bios? I dunno).
However, we managed to pull it off and outside of a few people complaining about the 'shit port' it was received very well.
Shitting up the thread with comments like this isn't going to do this game any favors, especially when they've already accepted the game is going to fail.
GhostTrick
Banned
Took the words right out of my mouth.
GinoFelino
Member
What? Saying it looks great compared to more high-profile games won't do the game any favors? Where's the logic in that?
He means no point stinking up the topic by bashing other games.
GinoFelino
Member
-shrug-
They're making this on a shoestring budget and manage to outshine or at the very least hold their own against some of the major players right now. If that offends anyone, it's on them.
Night.Ninja
Banned
So is this game only confirmed for ps4?
At the moment, yes.
JohnSpartanLee
Member
Will definitely add this to my library when it's free for PS+. 
BudokaiMR2
Member
For that one problem, yes.
But there are so many issues that pop up during PC dev that it is insane.
We had a post-release issue that didn't get caught during compatibility testing where the game screen got darker when running OBS for streaming.
These are the kind of things that you just don't even have to think about during normal console Dev.
There is also the fact that any such issues would be caught by mandatory TRC checks which would mean the game couldn't even release on console.
The lack of that on platforms like Steam is both a blessing and a curse IMO.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
If this game comes to PC and has classic/sexy Blair, I'll buy it.
GhostTrick
Banned
Right, so nothing hardware related/multiple configurations available but software interfering.
Which was my point: It's not a "there's so many hardware configuration possible that it means you need to test on a wide range of hardware".
?Will definitely add this to my library when it's free for PS+.
IbukiLordSA
Member
Passion projects like this will always be successful.
TheSpoiler
Member
That's not how things work, especially in regards to a niche genre. Development takes far more money than you think.
GinoFelino
Member
BudokaiMR2
Member
You're just playing semantics now.
The fact that software can interfere is an aspect specific to the PC hardware. That isn't something occurs on PS4.
There were also issues that were specific to ATI cards, sound issues that were specific to older sound cards, issues with triple monitors, 3rd party PC controllers, etc. etc
Will definitely add this to my library when it's free for PS+.
This is either horrible unfunny sarcasm or someone who is avatar quote fishing.
Eh, SNK is backed by strong ownership, they're fine. Just because the US doesn't care for SNK doesn't mean that the sky is falling for them.
Acquiescence
Member
They have a purchase in me, so long as I can pre-order it at a reasonable price and D.Dark is in the roster.
Also, it's amusing how Switch port-begging is singled out every time now, but do the same for PC and it's fine.
Also, it's amusing how Switch port-begging is singled out every time now, but do the same for PC and it's fine.
Eh, hindsight is 20/20; I was surprised as much as anyone else that the latest KOF turned to *not* be a cynical cash-grab by the powers that be.
I can only hope that Arika, without the direct backing of SF-properties, will fare just as well.
TheSpoiler
Member
They are better off than they were years ago, especially what with esports gaining traction.
But they are still by and large comparatively niche to other genres. They don't sell all that much, snafus or not. The esports scene is still in the lower part of the numbers in terms of viewership when compared to Overwatch and other shooters. It's growing, but still pretty niche.
What's worse for Arika is that they are still relatively unknown, even within the gaming community. Hell, most people have no clue that they own the rights to these characters, or that Skullo and co. are Arika made and not Capcom made. So it's even harder for them to gain a foothold.
GhostTrick
Banned
Not really. The point I was making is that no, it's not about extensive testing of various hardware, since a lot of indies wont do it and release their games without major issues. Because it's all about modern hardware being compliant to standards and modern engines supporting all these standards.
Can software interfere with PC games ? Sure, I'm not denying that. Does it mean minor issues can't exist ? Absolutely not.
Do you need nowadays to do extensive PC configuration testing for your game to work ? Not at all.
Issues with 3rd party peripherals always existed, even for some console games.
omnislayer
Member
Yeah I'm down for this, hopefully we get D.Dark and Blair, preferably with some nice modern soft body physics to do her killer curves justice.