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[amstradcpc]

HOly fuck

PS4 sold out out the ass? $1000 PS4s on ebay?

No wonder the Amazon.de bundle has lasted 1-2 hours!.

 

[Dorimukyasuto]

Things are about to get heated.

10/10
Because newman

 

[iceatcs]

Oh man, iPhone 5S fucked.

 

[Binabik15]

I think about getting a new harddrive, factory gets flooded, I preorder a second PS4, RAM factories explode (499€ deal, lets see when that releases now). Man, I better stop thinking about getting tech stuff or factory workers are going to string me up.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

This is REALLY bad, we haven't had a big manufacturer out of action in many many years in the industry. This will really drive up prices on many devices.

Guess Sony has to eat some losses.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Spoiler

*laughs*

 

[pulsemyne]

Well, no other manufacturer has made public in its 2013 brochure a memory exactly like the one in PS4:

https://www.skhynix.com/inc/pdfDown.../Databook/Databook_1Q'2013_GraphicsMemory.pdf

Your avatar has given me an awesome nostalgia rush. Ah those wonderful days of 8 bit gaming.

 

[DieH@rd]

There is a good chance Sony has also getting chips from Samsung.

 

[Twin Tails]

Must have been caused by that Xbone CPU upclock.

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

Industrial accidents can happen anywhere, but this is definitely one of the pitfalls of outsourcing that make you wonder if it's worth it in the long run. I mean think about the HDD production issues we're still experiencing the impact of, due to the fact that all of these large electronics firms started building production facilities in an area of Thailand that nobody apparently did due diligence in investigating whether or not the area was in a historical floodplain.

 

[herod]

Oh man, iPhone 5S fucked.

every manufacture is fucked. Some can charge more of a premium than others and get away with it though.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

S-stop it, you're making my S-Link rise

Ugh. Painful.

 

[diffusionx]

The flooding in Thailand screwed up the hard drive market for like, a year.

This is very bad news.

 

[Minions]

If you thought demand was high... if this reduces production significantly expect the prices to go up quite a bit.Unfortunate for everyone involved.

 

[wizzbang]

sony sources gddr5 from three manufacturers: samsung, hynix and elpida.

Guess which 2 companies just increased prices on their GDDR5 chips by about 15%

 

[flyinpiranha]

Nobody knows.

According to an earlier article it's 'one' of their possible sources:

Thanks to adoption of custom AMD Fusion system-on-chip with eight Jaguar x86 cores and specialized Radeon HD graphics processor, the PlayStation 4 now relies on 8GB of industry-standard GDDR5, which Sony can source from three manufacturers (Samsung, Micron/Elpida and SK Hynix), instead of two (Samsung, Micron/Elpida).

Source

So with contracts in place, I don't see initial allotment prices going up (I would imagine). But, for future prices, like the HDD market with Thailand floods, we could see an increase from the other two.

Either way, this is definitely a problem with the supply chain.

 

[Slayer-33]

Guess which 2 companies just increased prices on their GDDR5 chips by about 15%

No way lol shit went live?

 

[Qurupeke]

Spoiler

*laughs*

Yep, the only explanation.

 

[Chû Totoro]

oh yeah... prices how could I've forget that. Sony is going to loose big money with the price of the RAM...
Nintendo too but they can wait a little because... Wii U don't sell :'(
For once bad news may be good news for them (I think not but I'm trying).

So Microsoft's cow boys did the job?

 

[Cat in the Hat]

I suspect foul play.

 

[iceatcs]

every manufacture is fucked. Some can charge more of a premium than others and get away with it though.

Yeah but who need most, I would say apple because ipad, iphone and ipod with the high number of sales.
It doesn't matter which one factory they use but the price will get higher could affect a lot.

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

Guess which 2 companies just increased prices on their GDDR5 chips by about 15%

Yes, but that won't impact a buyer like Sony for some time. They would have locked in pricing on these contracts months and months ago for at least this fiscal year.

 

[Thaumaturgic Tomato]

doesn't matter if PS4 uses Hynix, every DDR5 would become much more expensive, the delay between the first batch and second batch would be :O or major loss for them

Yup, and Nvidia is especially screwed. Hynix is their SK partner churning out the memory for their GPUs. If Sony isn't using Hynix, hopefully they have a tight contract with their manufactuer that locked in prices for a long time to come.

This could affect SSD's severely too. Hynix is big. Not sure who Samsung uses. All tech categories could be affected. Hynix doesn't just make GDDR5.

 

[Osiris]

Well, no other manufacturer has made public in its 2013 brochure a memory exactly like the one in PS4:

https://www.skhynix.com/inc/pdfDown.../Databook/Databook_1Q'2013_GraphicsMemory.pdf

You mean other than Samsung?

See:http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...t/graphic-dram/detail?productId=7824&iaId=759

(Note the 'Application' under the specs, "Game Console")

 

[amstradcpc]

sony sources gddr5 from three manufacturers: samsung, hynix and elpida.

Do Samsung and elpida fab GDDR5 modules of 4 Gb density at 5.5 Gbps speed and 1.35V?.

Is a serious question. Last time i checked it was only Hynix. It would be logical and good for Sony to have several suppliers.

 

[wizzbang]

HOly fuck

PS4 sold out out the ass? $1000 PS4s on ebay?

If this is as bad as it was back 10 /15 years ago when I was a hardcore PC gamer, start thinking $2000 PS4's on ebay dude......... easily. They will become _RARE_

 

[Bunta]

Yes, but that won't impact a buyer like Sony for some time. They would have locked in pricing on these contracts months and months ago for at least this fiscal year.

This. Highly unlikely they don't have a contract.

 

[Wind's Howling]

Guess which 2 companies just increased prices on their GDDR5 chips by about 15%

Does not matter for Sony.

Every company has the manufacturer sign a contract that gives bulks of chipsets for a steady price. They can not up towards 15% and demand more cash from Sony. That is called a breach of contract if they do.

 

[wizzbang]

Yes, but that won't impact a buyer like Sony for some time. They would have locked in pricing on these contracts months and months ago for at least this fiscal year.

That's meaningless when stock is either cooked or can't be produced.

 

[herod]

did CBOAT predict this one?

 

[Chobel]

I almost Forget: Pre-order canceled.

 

[gruenel]

If the extant of damage to the facility is high, it might affect NAND flash prices more than DRAM, since the company recently prioritized NAND flash over DRAM for the facility.

From http://www.techpowerup.com/190121/massive-fire-at-sk-hynix-facility-in-wuxi-china.html

There you go guys. Calm down. You'll get your precious GDDR5.

Hope nobody got hurt.

 

[Hrothgar]

I fear this is going to be worse than the HDD price hike after the floods in Thailand

 

[nib95]

So does this affect either Sony or Microsoft?

 

[Bishop89]

Im not liking the sound of this.

I hope this doesnt delay the ps4 or affect the launches.

Detective Gaf, find out nao!

 

[EvB]

There is a good chance Sony has also getting chips from Samsung.

Who purchase from Hynix Also...

 

[flyinpiranha]

Does not matter for Sony.

Every company has the manufacturer sign a contract that gives bulks of chipsets for a steady price. They can not up towards 15% and demand more cash from Sony. That is called a breach of contract if they do.

I agree, but the supply is the bigger issue here. It's obvious Sony wouldn't up the price to the consumer to reflect their (assumed) increase in manufacturing.

 

[wizzbang]

Does not matter for Sony.

Every company has the manufacturer sign a contract that gives bulks of chipsets for a steady price. They can not up towards 15% and demand more cash from Sony. That is called a breach of contract if they do.

You people are living in some kind of magical fantasy land. These factories are not little $20 million dollar ventures. If they can't produce they can't produce, period.

Breach of contract? Oh well! shit happens, very sorry. They can't magically grow the chips.
We just better hope it's not the GDDR5 section of production or a primary facility.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

From http://www.techpowerup.com/190121/massive-fire-at-sk-hynix-facility-in-wuxi-china.html

There you go guys. Calm down. You'll get your precious GDDR5.

Hope nobody got hurt.

That ends a ton of panic.

Spoiler

people will continue to panic

 

[amstradcpc]

I almost Forget: Pre-order canceled.

You are wrong, now is time to "preorder re-preordered and ebayed".

 

[wizzbang]

From http://www.techpowerup.com/190121/massive-fire-at-sk-hynix-facility-in-wuxi-china.html

There you go guys. Calm down. You'll get your precious GDDR5.

Hope nobody got hurt.

Fuck, my 750gb Samsung Evo SSD for my PS4 just went up $150 US

 

[DopeyFish]

So does this affect either Sony or Microsoft?

Both possibly

More likely to have an impact on Sony, though

We have to see though... Always hard to tell

 

[Wind's Howling]

I agree, but the supply is the bigger issue here. It's obvious Sony wouldn't up the price to the consumer to reflect their (assumed) increase in manufacturing.

Worst case scenario the PS4 will get separated launch cycles in different regions of the world, spanning over a year.

 

[Freki]

The facility hit by fire is rumored to be one that handles packaging (placing bumped dies inside ceramic or plastic shells, and labeling them). If the extant of damage to the facility is high, it might affect NAND flash prices more than DRAM, since the company recently prioritized NAND flash over DRAM for the facility.

source

 

[FonkyByNature]

Must have been caused by that Xbone CPU upclock.

HAHA, should have been the first post !!!

On a serious note, i hope everyone involved is ok.

 

[flyinpiranha]

That ends a ton of panic.

Spoiler

people will continue to panic

Well, just because they are "prioritizing" doesn't mean that the facility has completely switched. It could have went from a 55/45 to a 45/55 priority. Nobody really knows.

I would assume this would be a smaller blip as this can't be the only factory they have, even for this particular manufacturer.

 

[Omni]

Must have been caused by that Xbone CPU upclock.

 

[amstradcpc]

From http://www.techpowerup.com/190121/massive-fire-at-sk-hynix-facility-in-wuxi-china.html

" it might affect NAND flash prices more than DRAM".


PS: hope also nobody was hurt.

 

[clem84]

Must have been caused by that Xbone CPU upclock.

lol

 

[JohnDoe]

Nintendo Ninjas@work.

First Gunpei now this.